OT (somewhat) PhotoShop created images.

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Thomas A. Rowe

Yes.

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Thomas A. Rowe

Thanks!

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Steve Easton

Should be in your private mailbox

You're welcome.



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Thomas A. Rowe

Got it! Thanks.

Actually anything with attachments goes to my delete folder, so if I am not expecting something from
a specific person within a specific time period, it will get delete.

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Steve Easton

Thomas,
The top image: 600102-orig.jpg never makes it to the browser cache files??
The only things that do are the html page and the other two images.



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Steve Easton

Retract that, yes it does, but it's malformed.

Want a screen shot of what it looks like in IrfanView??


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Steve Easton

Thomas, it's a compression setting.
The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
What ever CMYK is??



The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF

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Tom Pepper Willett

Short for Cyan-Magenta-Yellow-Black, and pronounced as separate letters.
CMYK is a color model in which all colors are described as a mixture of
these four process colors. CMYK is the standard color model used in offset
printing for full-color documents. Because such printing uses inks of these
four basic colors, it is often called four-color printing.
In contrast, display devices generally use a different color model called
RGB, which stands for Red-Green-Blue. One of the most difficult aspects of
desktop publishing in color is color matching -- properly converting the RGB
colors into CMYK colors so that what gets printed looks the same as what
appears on the monitor.
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| Thomas, it's a compression setting.
| The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
| What ever CMYK is??
|
|
|
| The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF
|
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| > Hey folks,
| >
| > Instead of trying to explain the issue here, but please reply here, I
have created a page with
| > examples and notes.
| >
| > http://www.ycoln-resources.com/PSIssue
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Thomas A. Rowe

Then the issue appears to be the saving of the image with a CMYK color format and that the newer
browser can not handle this color format, whereas the older browsers at least make an attempt to
display it.

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Thomas A. Rowe

Tom,

Thanks for providing a detail description of the CMYK color format.

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Wally S

I have never seen any option for CMYK in Photoshop Elements when you use
"save for web," unless the complete Photoshop has it. If Photoshop and
Photoshop Elements have the same "save" options, you could tell your clients
to use "save for web" and check "optimized." That way, they will get
something completely usable. It would not be any big trick. It's the normal
way to save, and you should not have to intervene at all.

Wally S
 
T

Tom Pepper Willett

You're welcome. I have to use CMYK a lot for the print work we do.
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|
| Thanks for providing a detail description of the CMYK color format.
|
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| | > Short for Cyan-Magenta-Yellow-Black, and pronounced as separate letters.
| > CMYK is a color model in which all colors are described as a mixture of
| > these four process colors. CMYK is the standard color model used in
offset
| > printing for full-color documents. Because such printing uses inks of
these
| > four basic colors, it is often called four-color printing.
| > In contrast, display devices generally use a different color model
called
| > RGB, which stands for Red-Green-Blue. One of the most difficult aspects
of
| > desktop publishing in color is color matching -- properly converting the
RGB
| > colors into CMYK colors so that what gets printed looks the same as what
| > appears on the monitor.
| > --
| > =====================================================
| > Tom Pepper Willett [Microsoft MVP - FrontPage]
|
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| > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
| > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
| > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > =====================================================
| >
| > | > | Thomas, it's a compression setting.
| > | The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
| > | What ever CMYK is??
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF
| > |
| > | --
| > | Steve Easton
| > | Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | 95isalive
| > | This site is best viewed............
| > | .......................with a computer
| > |
| > | > | > Hey folks,
| > | >
| > | > Instead of trying to explain the issue here, but please reply here,
I
| > have created a page with
| > | > examples and notes.
| > | >
| > | > http://www.ycoln-resources.com/PSIssue
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > ==============================================
| > | > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > | > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > | >
| > | > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > | > ==============================================
| > | > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > | > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Most of the members of this organization are manufacturer, distributors, and retailers that normally
create images for printing of brochures and catalogs and would be using the full PhotoShop version,
which would explain the CMYK color format.

So I would say that this user assumes that the JPEG images they had already created for printing,
could also be used in their ad on the web as well.

So now that I know what is the cause of the problem, I can write instructions to help avoid this
issue in the future.

Thanks Eleanor, Wally, Rob, Steve and Tom P, and anyone else I haven't named for taking the time to
help me determine the cause of this problem.

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Steve Easton

Glad to help, learned something new.

Chalk up another one for good old IrfanView. It has a great Image Information feature.
Something else that caught my eye was that there were no DPI settings for the image. Not a problem
for a browser, but it would be needed for printing with or without the CMYK color format.


;-)


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Thomas A. Rowe

In order for users to upload their image, the image file size must be 80 kb or less.

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Jack Brewster

Thomas said:
In order for users to upload their image, the image file size must be 80 kb or less.
Click to expand...

Thomas,

I know you're not running any PS apps, but you may want to check out the
trial version of Photoshop CS/Photoshop Elements.

If you've got a test box or Virutal PC, you can try them out and still
keep your system clean. ;)
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Thanks, Jack, I have test machine with FP2002 and FP2003 which I could use, but I really have no
need for any other image/graphics app outside of MS Image Composer for development work.

I actually do own PhotoShop v4 and v5.0 which I could upgrade, but I really never like working with
it. I also own CorelDraw v7, which was my favorite graphics application before getting into web
development back in 1997. I think I have actually download every image application available at some
time, but I find Image Composer to be the best application for my needs.

I also have MS PhotoDraw and MS Digital Image Pro installed for messing around with my digital
camera photos.

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Thomas A. Rowe

Think of it this way, the images have already been created for print at some point, now they are
sitting in a folder on the computer, user grabs image and uploads. Image doesn't display...

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Btw,

The PS setting is in Edit/Color Settings: Web Graphics Default at the top then you set the Working
Spaces below that...sRGBxxxxx for RGB, then the one for CMYK and Gray (Gamma) below that.

Ya usually don't wanna mess with them though.

I tell ya though I have inadvertantly created CMYK for web graphics by forgetting to change my
environment from print to web, and never had a "major" problem - after doing a few you realize
something's not right :) Usually you know when you look at the color palette...oops wrong one!

Rob




| In order for users to upload their image, the image file size must be 80 kb or less.
|
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|
| > Glad to help, learned something new.
| >
| > Chalk up another one for good old IrfanView. It has a great Image Information feature.
| > Something else that caught my eye was that there were no DPI settings for the image. Not a
| problem
| > for a browser, but it would be needed for printing with or without the CMYK color format.
| >
| >
| > ;-)
| >
| >
| > --
| > Steve Easton
| > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > 95isalive
| > This site is best viewed............
| > .......................with a computer
| >
| > > Most of the members of this organization are manufacturer, distributors, and retailers that
| > normally
| > > create images for printing of brochures and catalogs and would be using the full PhotoShop
| > version,
| > > which would explain the CMYK color format.
| > >
| > > So I would say that this user assumes that the JPEG images they had already created for
| printing,
| > > could also be used in their ad on the web as well.
| > >
| > > So now that I know what is the cause of the problem, I can write instructions to help avoid
this
| > > issue in the future.
| > >
| > > Thanks Eleanor, Wally, Rob, Steve and Tom P, and anyone else I haven't named for taking the
time
| > to
| > > help me determine the cause of this problem.
| > >
| > > --
| > > ==============================================
| > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > >
| > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > ==============================================
| > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > >
| > > > I have never seen any option for CMYK in Photoshop Elements when you use
| > > > "save for web," unless the complete Photoshop has it. If Photoshop and
| > > > Photoshop Elements have the same "save" options, you could tell your clients
| > > > to use "save for web" and check "optimized." That way, they will get
| > > > something completely usable. It would not be any big trick. It's the normal
| > > > way to save, and you should not have to intervene at all.
| > > >
| > > > Wally S
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Then the issue appears to be the saving of the image with a CMYK color
| > > > format and that the newer
| > > > > browser can not handle this color format, whereas the older browsers at
| > > > least make an attempt to
| > > > > display it.
| > > > >
| > > > > --
| > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > > >
| > > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > Thomas, it's a compression setting.
| > > > > > The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
| > > > > > What ever CMYK is??
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF
| > > > > >
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > Steve Easton
| > > > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > > > > 95isalive
| > > > > > This site is best viewed............
| > > > > > .......................with a computer
| > > > > >
| > > > | > > > > > > Hey folks,
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > Instead of trying to explain the issue here, but please reply here, I
| > > > have created a page with
| > > > > > > examples and notes.
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > http://www.ycoln-resources.com/PSIssue
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > --
| > > > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Thanks.

I see no difference in the standard RGB and Progressive RGB images, except the Progressive image is
smaller in file size over the standard image.

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Yep, I understand.

Just did a little 'esperiment....
http://www.syossetrules.com

Top two images are not visible...they are jpgs (your's) saved as standard and progressive CMYK...NO
display !!!

The bottom two are standard and progressive *RGB* jpgs and they display fine...

INTERESTING !!!

Both done in PS 6.

Rob...


| Think of it this way, the images have already been created for print at some point, now they are
| sitting in a folder on the computer, user grabs image and uploads. Image doesn't display...
|
| --
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|
| | Btw,
|
| The PS setting is in Edit/Color Settings: Web Graphics Default at the top then you set the Working
| Spaces below that...sRGBxxxxx for RGB, then the one for CMYK and Gray (Gamma) below that.
|
| Ya usually don't wanna mess with them though.
|
| I tell ya though I have inadvertantly created CMYK for web graphics by forgetting to change my
| environment from print to web, and never had a "major" problem - after doing a few you realize
| something's not right :) Usually you know when you look at the color palette...oops wrong one!
|
| Rob
|
|
|
|
| | In order for users to upload their image, the image file size must be 80 kb or less.
| |
| | --
| | ==============================================
| | Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| | WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| |
| | FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| | ==============================================
| | To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| |
| | | > Glad to help, learned something new.
| | >
| | > Chalk up another one for good old IrfanView. It has a great Image Information feature.
| | > Something else that caught my eye was that there were no DPI settings for the image. Not a
| | problem
| | > for a browser, but it would be needed for printing with or without the CMYK color format.
| | >
| | >
| | > ;-)
| | >
| | >
| | > --
| | > Steve Easton
| | > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| | > 95isalive
| | > This site is best viewed............
| | > .......................with a computer
| | >
| | | > > Most of the members of this organization are manufacturer, distributors, and retailers that
| | > normally
| | > > create images for printing of brochures and catalogs and would be using the full PhotoShop
| | > version,
| | > > which would explain the CMYK color format.
| | > >
| | > > So I would say that this user assumes that the JPEG images they had already created for
| | printing,
| | > > could also be used in their ad on the web as well.
| | > >
| | > > So now that I know what is the cause of the problem, I can write instructions to help avoid
| this
| | > > issue in the future.
| | > >
| | > > Thanks Eleanor, Wally, Rob, Steve and Tom P, and anyone else I haven't named for taking the
| time
| | > to
| | > > help me determine the cause of this problem.
| | > >
| | > > --
| | > > ==============================================
| | > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| | > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| | > >
| | > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| | > > ==============================================
| | > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| | > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | > >
| | | > > > I have never seen any option for CMYK in Photoshop Elements when you use
| | > > > "save for web," unless the complete Photoshop has it. If Photoshop and
| | > > > Photoshop Elements have the same "save" options, you could tell your clients
| | > > > to use "save for web" and check "optimized." That way, they will get
| | > > > something completely usable. It would not be any big trick. It's the normal
| | > > > way to save, and you should not have to intervene at all.
| | > > >
| | > > > Wally S
| | > > >
| | > > > | | > > > > Then the issue appears to be the saving of the image with a CMYK color
| | > > > format and that the newer
| | > > > > browser can not handle this color format, whereas the older browsers at
| | > > > least make an attempt to
| | > > > > display it.
| | > > > >
| | > > > > --
| | > > > > ==============================================
| | > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| | > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| | > > > >
| | > > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| | > > > > ==============================================
| | > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| | > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | > > > >
| | > > > > | | > > > > > Thomas, it's a compression setting.
| | > > > > > The image that won't display is using the following: JPG/JFIF, CMYK
| | > > > > > What ever CMYK is??
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > > The ones that do are only JPG/JFIF
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > > --
| | > > > > > Steve Easton
| | > > > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| | > > > > > 95isalive
| | > > > > > This site is best viewed............
| | > > > > > .......................with a computer
| | > > > > >
| | > > > | | > > > > > > Hey folks,
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > > Instead of trying to explain the issue here, but please reply here, I
| | > > > have created a page with
| | > > > > > > examples and notes.
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > > http://www.ycoln-resources.com/PSIssue
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > > --
| | > > > > > > ==============================================
| | > > > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| | > > > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| | > > > > > > ==============================================
| | > > > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| | > > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > > >
| | > > > > >
| | > > > > >
| | > > > >
| | > > > >
| | > > >
| | > > >
| | > >
| | > >
| | >
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