Problems with references and relative context ("\r" argument)

[Emanuel Vahid Towfigh]

Hi there,

I'm working on a document with a numbered outline and posting
cross-references all over the place. Normally, the way I'm inserting the
cross-references, only the relative context should be shown. Instead, the
reference always shows the full context, although the \r argument is placed
in the field. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? I'd be most grateful for
swift responses, as my deadline is coming close. If possible, please also
respond directly to my private eMail address

Thanks for your attention!

Emanuel

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Wow, gotta love google.

I don't quite even understand your question, but I recall reading a probably
relevant comment from someone who would have:

Quoting Stefan Blom:
"Actually, it's the other way around: the "full context" option has a
meaning only for cross-references to numbering schemes where lower
levels do *not* include the numbering of higher levels.


For example, if your numbering scheme is "I, A, 1, ...", "full
context" means to include higher levels in a reference. Without the
"full context" option, a reference to simply "B" would be ambiguous,
since there could be several items numbered "B" (subordinate to
different top-level Roman numerals).


In contrast, for numbering schemes such as "1, 1.1, 1.1.1, ..." it is
immediately clear to which item a cross-reference refers.


Another aspect is that references to paragraph numbers is usually not
so practical for readers of the document; it's a lot easier to find a
page number than a numbered paragraph. "

<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.word.formatting.longdo
cs/browse_frm/thread/3fe2dd7129f2d128/25953d5f3b0f58ee?q=%22stefan+blom%22+c
ontext&rnum=2#25953d5f3b0f58ee>

If that doesn't help, you might want to repost on
Microsoft.public.word.formatting.longdocs or
Microsoft.public.word.numbering

As you have a deadline. Our numbering guru drops by a bit sporadically. Oh
I see you already did. Never mind.

DM

 

[Emanuel Vahid Towfigh]

Thanks, Daiya, for your comments.

It's really bugging me that there's something I cannot do with Word -- up to
now I always managed to wrestle that software down ;-). As time goes by, I
seem to get closer to the core of the problem. It seems, Word simply can
only do "full context" or "no context" in footnotes. It cannot,
unfortunately, make a relative context, nor can it show "above" or "below"
in footnotes, I believe simply because Word does not analyse the position of
te footnote relative to the text. At least that's my guess. Can you - or
anyone else - confirm this?

Of course, relative references are not easy to use for the reader, as are
paragraph number references; however, I do also add the page number referred
to.

Thanks, and bye,
e.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

In case anybody over here is following along:

Since it only happens in Footnotes, and cross-platform, I'm gonna gamble
that this is something hardcoded that you can't change. Possibly a
bug--except that since Word doesn't know the difference between footnotes
and endnotes, it might be deliberate--picture a relative numbered reference
in an endnote? Totally unusable. And Word tends to govern footnotes and
endnotes by the very same laws even when not applicable.

Plus Suzanne B pointed out:
Another thing to keep in mind is that footnotes and endnotes are in a
separate "layer" in Word, so their location relative to the text is somewhat
fluid.

Okay, I'm done now. Thread over, conversation proceeding on the numbering
newsgroup.

Daiya