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wayne.read
I have created a website using Publisher 2007 and it works fine with
IE7 however in IE8 I loose my hyperlinks. How can I fix this?
IE7 however in IE8 I loose my hyperlinks. How can I fix this?
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
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DavidF
IE 8 is in beta, and thus by definition is not the finished product. The
goal of IE 8 is to view pages in a standards compliant mode. Publisher webs
are not standards compliant. Try switching to Compatibility View in IE 8 and
see if that resolves your problem. Compatibility View renders the page as if
you were using IE 7 from what I understand.
Introducing Compatibility View:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/introducing-compatibility-view.aspx
Please post back and let us know if Compatibility View allows you to view
Publisher webs with IE 8 beta. Thanks.
DavidF
goal of IE 8 is to view pages in a standards compliant mode. Publisher webs
are not standards compliant. Try switching to Compatibility View in IE 8 and
see if that resolves your problem. Compatibility View renders the page as if
you were using IE 7 from what I understand.
Introducing Compatibility View:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/introducing-compatibility-view.aspx
Please post back and let us know if Compatibility View allows you to view
Publisher webs with IE 8 beta. Thanks.
DavidF
J
james
Will there be an update to publisher so that it can produce IE8 compatible
(and hopefully firefox as well) code?
(and hopefully firefox as well) code?
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DavidF
I think that since IE8 is in beta, by definition it is not in the final
release form and will be updated. Whether its final form will work well with
Publisher and other "non-standards compliant" webs will be unknown until
that time. There are lots of web sites that are not "standards compliant"
besides Publisher webs, and whether IE8 will render those sites correctly or
not will be seen when it is out of beta. That is the whole idea behind
Compatibility View as I understand it. Publisher may not need to be changed
for the Publisher webs to work correctly in IE8.
Whether Publisher will updated to produce more "standards compliant" code is
a different question. MSFT has put most of their resources into developing
and improving Web Expression as their standards compliant web editor, and
improving other Office programs. Publisher has not been given much attention
since Office 2007 was released. SP1 made only minor changes, and it is
unknown at this time just what all the Office 2007 SP2 will change. I
haven't heard of any new versions to be released in the near future.
And whether Publisher produces code that works in FireFox is yet another
question. It already does. There are some things that you cannot do in a
Publisher web if you want your pages to render correctly in FF, but in
general we have found that most issues can be fixed with changing the design
or layout. If you are having any specific problems with a Publisher web not
working correctly in FF, then post a link to the page and tell us
specifically what the problem is, and chances are we can tell you how to fix
it...but please start a new thread rather than within this one.
DavidF
release form and will be updated. Whether its final form will work well with
Publisher and other "non-standards compliant" webs will be unknown until
that time. There are lots of web sites that are not "standards compliant"
besides Publisher webs, and whether IE8 will render those sites correctly or
not will be seen when it is out of beta. That is the whole idea behind
Compatibility View as I understand it. Publisher may not need to be changed
for the Publisher webs to work correctly in IE8.
Whether Publisher will updated to produce more "standards compliant" code is
a different question. MSFT has put most of their resources into developing
and improving Web Expression as their standards compliant web editor, and
improving other Office programs. Publisher has not been given much attention
since Office 2007 was released. SP1 made only minor changes, and it is
unknown at this time just what all the Office 2007 SP2 will change. I
haven't heard of any new versions to be released in the near future.
And whether Publisher produces code that works in FireFox is yet another
question. It already does. There are some things that you cannot do in a
Publisher web if you want your pages to render correctly in FF, but in
general we have found that most issues can be fixed with changing the design
or layout. If you are having any specific problems with a Publisher web not
working correctly in FF, then post a link to the page and tell us
specifically what the problem is, and chances are we can tell you how to fix
it...but please start a new thread rather than within this one.
DavidF
L
Liz
Hi, Everyone,
(Sorry if this is a repeat...tried to post this before but got no
confirmation screen.)
I'm a small Web site developer and maintainer for a non-profit, using
Publisher 2007. Have also been concerned about IE 8 compatibility issues.
In addition to the Compatibility Button included in IE 8 beta 2 (applied on
a site by site basis), there are also other site developer fixes at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc817570.aspx.
One of the quick fixes suggested is to add a code snippet to your Publisher
2007 Web site. Other suggestions are too complex for me.
I'm not a coder, and rely on Publisher to generate most of the code for me.
Can someone who knows more about this than I do, please help me with simple
step by step specifics of how and where to add this code snippet?
I assume you use the Insert Code function, but where, and how often? I read
the MS instructions, but still need more specifics.
Has anyone tried this, and with what results?
Also, would this code snippet affect how Publisher 2007 sites are viewed by
FireFox and others?
Any help greatly appreciated.
(And no, I really, really don't want to switch to another Web site software,
and start the learning curve all over again. It took too much time and
effort to get where I am today at a moderate competence level with Publisher
2007.)
Thanks!
(Sorry if this is a repeat...tried to post this before but got no
confirmation screen.)
I'm a small Web site developer and maintainer for a non-profit, using
Publisher 2007. Have also been concerned about IE 8 compatibility issues.
In addition to the Compatibility Button included in IE 8 beta 2 (applied on
a site by site basis), there are also other site developer fixes at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc817570.aspx.
One of the quick fixes suggested is to add a code snippet to your Publisher
2007 Web site. Other suggestions are too complex for me.
I'm not a coder, and rely on Publisher to generate most of the code for me.
Can someone who knows more about this than I do, please help me with simple
step by step specifics of how and where to add this code snippet?
I assume you use the Insert Code function, but where, and how often? I read
the MS instructions, but still need more specifics.
Has anyone tried this, and with what results?
Also, would this code snippet affect how Publisher 2007 sites are viewed by
FireFox and others?
Any help greatly appreciated.
(And no, I really, really don't want to switch to another Web site software,
and start the learning curve all over again. It took too much time and
effort to get where I am today at a moderate competence level with Publisher
2007.)
Thanks!
D
DavidF
Hi Liz,
Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone that uses
Publisher for webs.
Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility mode in IE8
beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be good news.
As per the information about the quick fix, as I understand it that code
snippet must be placed in the Head section, and you cannot access the Head
via the insert html code fragment feature....but,
Try going to Insert > html code fragment and pasting the snippet into the
code fragment box:
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"/>
Then put the box somewhere near the top of your page and test the page in
IE8 and see if by some chance it does fix the problem. I doubt that it will,
but it is a quick test. Let us know. I would do it myself, but I have not
installed IE8.
DavidF
Thanks for the post, as this subject is of concern to everyone that uses
Publisher for webs.
Are you saying that if you view your Pub site in compatibility mode in IE8
beta, that the site renders correctly? That alone would be good news.
As per the information about the quick fix, as I understand it that code
snippet must be placed in the Head section, and you cannot access the Head
via the insert html code fragment feature....but,
Try going to Insert > html code fragment and pasting the snippet into the
code fragment box:
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"/>
Then put the box somewhere near the top of your page and test the page in
IE8 and see if by some chance it does fix the problem. I doubt that it will,
but it is a quick test. Let us know. I would do it myself, but I have not
installed IE8.
DavidF
L
Liz
Hi, David,
Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn from others
who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8 compatibility button
on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I do), I'd like
to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on viewers to push
that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site. Could lose
more than a few visitors that way.
Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code with
Publisher, when the time comes.
Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE 8, and is
willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to give up my IE 7
for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just conservative, I
guess.
Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this forum for
latest developments. Have always found great advice here whenever I needed
it.
Thanks again.
Sorry, no -- I haven't installed IE 8 as yet. I'd rather learn from others
who do the first adapting! I only read about the IE 8 compatibility button
on the IE 8 beta site at MS, but haven't actually used it.
But as a Web site developer (sounds so pretentious for what I do), I'd like
to be able to fix the issue at my Web site, and not depend on viewers to push
that button if they see scrambles instead of the correct site. Could lose
more than a few visitors that way.
Thanks for the instructions on testing the compatibility code with
Publisher, when the time comes.
Maybe there's someone out there who has tested all this with IE 8, and is
willing to share experiences. Personally, I'm not ready to give up my IE 7
for a beta yet, esp. one with compatibility issues. Just conservative, I
guess.
Will continue to follow this and other similiar threads on this forum for
latest developments. Have always found great advice here whenever I needed
it.
Thanks again.
D
DavidF
Liz,
Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode in the IE8
beta would work with Pub webs.
As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet into the body
of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need to edit
the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to Publisher that
automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we will be able
to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we will be able
to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since it is just
one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now. Plus that
will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test partition and
test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional information
you might uncover.
On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of pages that
break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the people that
use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't necessarily move on
from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just hope that
Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
DavidF
Darn. I had hoped to at least confirm that the compatibility mode in the IE8
beta would work with Pub webs.
As I suggested, I doubt that just inserting that code snippet into the body
of a Pub web will fix the issue, and to get at the Head, you need to edit
the html code directly. While I would rather see a patch to Publisher that
automagically incorporates this into Pub pages, I doubt that we will be able
to wait for MSFT to offer the patch. I am also guessing that we will be able
to use replaceinfile much as we do to add centering code, since it is just
one line, but I just don't have the time to test it right now. Plus that
will not be a fix for the average Publisher user anyway.
I will plan on downloading and installing IE8 beta on a test partition and
test as I get time. In the meantime, please post any additional information
you might uncover.
On a more positive note...sort of...there is going to be a lot of pages that
break in IE8, not just Publisher pages. That means at least the people that
use IE8 will already be aware of the problem, and won't necessarily move on
from your site without trying the compatibility mode. Let's just hope that
Pub sites render ok in compatibility mode...
DavidF
L
Liz
David,
This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my cheese"?
Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way things work, the
powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to find new
solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've got a handle
on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most things in life,
though.
Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else out there
already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there to test
with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just please post
back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If so, did the
compatibility button make a difference?
Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
This sounds like a computer technology version of "who moved my cheese"?
Just when you begin to feel halfway comfortable with the way things work, the
powers that be decide to change the parameters, and you have to find new
solutions. The result is that you can never really feel you've got a handle
on anything for very long. <sigh> I guess that true of most things in life,
though.
Well, enough philosophical musings...back to practical matters.
Hope you can load IE 8 soon. Whenever you do, or if someone else out there
already has IE 8 beta 2 and wants a Publisher 2007 site out there to test
with the compatibility button, be my guest: www.nflaace.org.
It's a work in progress, I grant you, so go easy on me. Just please post
back with the results -- did the site look scrambled to you? If so, did the
compatibility button make a difference?
Will stay tuned. Thanks again for your help.
S
Spike
NICE WORK:
One comment:
My tired old eyes had a difficult time reading the upper right words on the
pages
I see that it is an image with text
I do not have IE 8 (tend to stay away from betas)
Spike
One comment:
My tired old eyes had a difficult time reading the upper right words on the
pages
I see that it is an image with text
I do not have IE 8 (tend to stay away from betas)
Spike
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Liz
Hi, Spike,
Thanks for your kind comment.
Re the fuzzy print top right of each page: are you talking about the very
top blue AACE International logo banner? The smaller words above and to the
right of that banner say, "The Association for the Advancement of Cost
Engineering."
And you're absolutely right about it being fuzzy. (You see, you're all
still keeping me on my Web development toes!) That logo banner was borrowed
from the national site with their encouragement (so Sections can keep a
degree of consistency for their individual sites).
And I too saw from the start the small print words were not too clear.
Always meant to do something about it, and now I'm inspired to actually do it.
I don't like betas either, but am worried that by the time the final IE 8
version is out, it will be a mad dash to fix all the broken Publisher sites.
And meanwhile, many sites may not be viewable with IE 8. Maybe someone else
has downloaded the beta and can test it out.
Always learn something when I'm on this forum. Thanks again.
Thanks for your kind comment.
Re the fuzzy print top right of each page: are you talking about the very
top blue AACE International logo banner? The smaller words above and to the
right of that banner say, "The Association for the Advancement of Cost
Engineering."
And you're absolutely right about it being fuzzy. (You see, you're all
still keeping me on my Web development toes!) That logo banner was borrowed
from the national site with their encouragement (so Sections can keep a
degree of consistency for their individual sites).
And I too saw from the start the small print words were not too clear.
Always meant to do something about it, and now I'm inspired to actually do it.
I don't like betas either, but am worried that by the time the final IE 8
version is out, it will be a mad dash to fix all the broken Publisher sites.
And meanwhile, many sites may not be viewable with IE 8. Maybe someone else
has downloaded the beta and can test it out.
Always learn something when I'm on this forum. Thanks again.
D
DavidF
Liz,
I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part of what I
enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find solutions
for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it can be a
bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".
I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a test
partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site looks. I am
confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in IE8.
As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can build a
good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with Publisher.
Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?
DavidF
I like your analogy, but choose to look at it in another way. Part of what I
enjoy about building websites is the need to get creative and find solutions
for the changes. That is part of the reason I stay involved in the
newsgroup. I like learning new ways of doing things, even though it can be a
bit disconcerting at first when they "moved the cheese".
I did download IE8 beta 2 the other day and hope to install it on a test
partition this weekend. If so, I will let you know how your site looks. I am
confident that we will find ways of getting Pub webs to view ok in IE8.
As per your site, I like it. I think it illustrates that you can build a
good looking, functional and cross browser compatible site with Publisher.
Didn't you use to have a PayPal feature?
DavidF
L
Liz
Hi, David,
Thanks for the comments and encouragement. I'm usually not so negative, but
when you're responsible for keeping a site up and running for someone else,
these "small challenges" can be quite annoying indeed.
I guess I just get nervous when some technical change I have no control over
threatens to make my site unviewable to some. I'm sure it will eventually
work out somehow. I do enjoy the challenge of learning new things, so am
keeping my hopes up and fingers crossed.
Re PayPal -- yes, I did have PayPal on the site for awhile. It was for a
special seminar series that is over now, so the PayPal function for paying
the seminar fee is no longer needed. It worked just fine, and I'm glad to
have learned about it for whenever I need it again.
I also taught myself how to create a working Publisher form with responses
sent by e-mail with that seminar. That particular challenge was especially
satisfying to work out successfully.
Will be eagerly awaiting your IE 8 experiment results.
Thanks again.
Thanks for the comments and encouragement. I'm usually not so negative, but
when you're responsible for keeping a site up and running for someone else,
these "small challenges" can be quite annoying indeed.
I guess I just get nervous when some technical change I have no control over
threatens to make my site unviewable to some. I'm sure it will eventually
work out somehow. I do enjoy the challenge of learning new things, so am
keeping my hopes up and fingers crossed.
Re PayPal -- yes, I did have PayPal on the site for awhile. It was for a
special seminar series that is over now, so the PayPal function for paying
the seminar fee is no longer needed. It worked just fine, and I'm glad to
have learned about it for whenever I need it again.
I also taught myself how to create a working Publisher form with responses
sent by e-mail with that seminar. That particular challenge was especially
satisfying to work out successfully.
Will be eagerly awaiting your IE 8 experiment results.
Thanks again.
L
Liz
Hi everyone,
Just came across two sites that test your Web site in various browsers. You
may have heard about them already.
They were recently reviewed in MakeUseOf.com.
One is www.browsershots.org.
Here you type in your URL to be tested, check the browser versions you want
(includes IE 8), and the request is sent to its network of computers, and the
screen shot of your home page is uploaded within a few minutes in the browser
versions you requested.
I tried my site, but it looked like there were various uploading
errors...the IE 8 version home page had some elements missing, but the rest
looked OK. Not sure exactly why those elements were missing...could be the
browser version, or something else.
The other testing site is described at
http://www.makeuseof.com:80/tag/ietester/.
This one actually emulates each IE browser version (including IE 8 beta 2).
However, you have to download a 24 MB software (free) to try it. With my
slow dial-up connection, that would take hours. (Don't ask!) The site is an
alpha version, and many functions aren't working yet. Not sure how useful it
would be, but maybe someone with a high speed connection might want to try it
out.
Will stay tuned for further developments.
Just came across two sites that test your Web site in various browsers. You
may have heard about them already.
They were recently reviewed in MakeUseOf.com.
One is www.browsershots.org.
Here you type in your URL to be tested, check the browser versions you want
(includes IE 8), and the request is sent to its network of computers, and the
screen shot of your home page is uploaded within a few minutes in the browser
versions you requested.
I tried my site, but it looked like there were various uploading
errors...the IE 8 version home page had some elements missing, but the rest
looked OK. Not sure exactly why those elements were missing...could be the
browser version, or something else.
The other testing site is described at
http://www.makeuseof.com:80/tag/ietester/.
This one actually emulates each IE browser version (including IE 8 beta 2).
However, you have to download a 24 MB software (free) to try it. With my
slow dial-up connection, that would take hours. (Don't ask!) The site is an
alpha version, and many functions aren't working yet. Not sure how useful it
would be, but maybe someone with a high speed connection might want to try it
out.
Will stay tuned for further developments.
D
DavidF
Hi Liz,
I don't know if you are still monitoring this thread or not. I got busy with
other projects and didn't get around to testing until yesterday. MSFT
released IE8 RC1, and I downloaded and installed it on a test partition. The
browsershots web page does reflect the major issue with Pub webs viewed with
IE8.
At this point it appears that the major problem with viewing Publisher 2003
and 2007 webs with IE8 is the wizard built navbars are not rendered. And
viewing the site in compatibility mode does not make any difference. However
that seems to be the only problem reported thus far, and that I can see from
my limited testing. Publisher 2000 navbars don't seem to be affected and
those pages load ok in IE8.
Until this gets sorted out, the only workaround I know of is to use a
manually built navbar, or a textual navbar instead of the wizard built one.
One thing I haven't yet tested is to ungroup the navbar from the wizard, to
see if that makes any difference. I have asked another user to test this,
and I will also as time permits.
Stay tuned...
DavidF
I don't know if you are still monitoring this thread or not. I got busy with
other projects and didn't get around to testing until yesterday. MSFT
released IE8 RC1, and I downloaded and installed it on a test partition. The
browsershots web page does reflect the major issue with Pub webs viewed with
IE8.
At this point it appears that the major problem with viewing Publisher 2003
and 2007 webs with IE8 is the wizard built navbars are not rendered. And
viewing the site in compatibility mode does not make any difference. However
that seems to be the only problem reported thus far, and that I can see from
my limited testing. Publisher 2000 navbars don't seem to be affected and
those pages load ok in IE8.
Until this gets sorted out, the only workaround I know of is to use a
manually built navbar, or a textual navbar instead of the wizard built one.
One thing I haven't yet tested is to ungroup the navbar from the wizard, to
see if that makes any difference. I have asked another user to test this,
and I will also as time permits.
Stay tuned...
DavidF
L
Liz
Hi, David,
Yes, I'm still here and still worried!
From what you discovered in your latest version IE 8 test, I "think" my
Publisher 2007-produced Web site will be OK re the nav bars.
However, since I have no good way to test my site at present, if you have a
moment, could you please do me a wee favor and dial up www.nflaace.org to see
how it renders?
Would help banish the computer nightmares a bit if you would.
And, perhaps help others who used Publisher 2007 to produce a site with or
without wizard nav bars.
My appreciation for any help.
Liz
Yes, I'm still here and still worried!
From what you discovered in your latest version IE 8 test, I "think" my
Publisher 2007-produced Web site will be OK re the nav bars.
However, since I have no good way to test my site at present, if you have a
moment, could you please do me a wee favor and dial up www.nflaace.org to see
how it renders?
Would help banish the computer nightmares a bit if you would.
And, perhaps help others who used Publisher 2007 to produce a site with or
without wizard nav bars.
My appreciation for any help.
Liz
D
DavidF
Liz,
I am sorry. Yes, your site is just fine. It was the second one I tested
after mine ;-). The fact that you use a textual menu means the navbar works
just fine. You can breathe easy...
DavidF
I am sorry. Yes, your site is just fine. It was the second one I tested
after mine ;-). The fact that you use a textual menu means the navbar works
just fine. You can breathe easy...
DavidF
L
Liz
David,
My blood pressure just went down about 20 points.
Thanks for testing my site and letting me know it's OK. I wasn't too
concerned about the nav bars, but was a bit worried about the part of each
page that is on a master page -- mostly the top logo and title design
sections that are constant on all pages.
I know, I know...master pages are not recommended. But my site has never
had any troubles with it before, and I hoped it wouldn't make a difference in
IE 8 either.
Well, until my next Publisher Web site challenge, bye for now. Your kind
assistance is always greatly appreciated. Always learning, forever grateful.
My blood pressure just went down about 20 points.
Thanks for testing my site and letting me know it's OK. I wasn't too
concerned about the nav bars, but was a bit worried about the part of each
page that is on a master page -- mostly the top logo and title design
sections that are constant on all pages.
I know, I know...master pages are not recommended. But my site has never
had any troubles with it before, and I hoped it wouldn't make a difference in
IE 8 either.
Well, until my next Publisher Web site challenge, bye for now. Your kind
assistance is always greatly appreciated. Always learning, forever grateful.
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