Restart numbering

B

Bruce

I have, with great effort, learned to use styles for
document organization. The effort comes mostly, I think,
from the fact that styles can be a very good way of
managing documents, but manual formatting and toolbar
buttons have sabotaged much of the good work. Too bad the
departments at Micorosft were not in communication with
each other.
I have learned how to deal with most of the instability
and bugs in numbering, but this one has me stumped. I
have a document with a heading style in bold font and a
text style in regular font. Neither is based on a built-
in style, which I ignore rather than spend time trying to
tame them. I cannot find a style-based way of adding a
numbered list. I do not want to use the default tab, but
I cannot scare it away. It works as long as I have only
one numbered list, but a second numbered list later in the
document cannot be made to start again at 1 without losing
the custom formatting I have attempted to apply to the
numbering style. Specifically, the tab reverts to an
apparently predetermined setting. The style dialog box
for numbering does not allow for restarting the
numbering. When I attempt to do so manually (Format >
Bullets and Numbering) I lose the formatting as described
above.
I am using Word 2000, and I seem to remember that this
problem is among the bugs in the numbering system, but I
cannot find how to fix it. If necessary I will go with
what it will give me, but if I could shrink the space
between the number and the text it would prevent quite a
few of one-word second lines. Maybe I need to use a space
instead of a tab in the numbering options? By the way, I
have tried both plain numbering and outline numbering in
the numbered style.
 
P

Phyllis

Bruce, it sounds as though you are editing a document that
you received from someone else - is that what's happening?
If so, you could be dealing with their template and your
normal.dot may have been changed.

You could usually create a new template, set up all the
styles and outline numbering and copy the document
contents to the new template. I've found that much less
frustrating and time consuming than fighting with the
numbered list gremlins. (Also, make a copy of the
replacement template with another name, so you don't have
to keep reinventing the wheel)
Good luck.
 
B

Bruce

You are correct. It should have occurred to me. I have
turned off most of the lame automation in my Word program,
but most people have not. In this case part of the
problem was that the source machine was set up for Word to
guess at styles. I used a space instead of a tab after
the number, which worked well enough for my purposes in
that the problem of the default tab setting was
eliminated. The "stuck" tab setting in numbering schemes
is a known bug in Word 2000.
I should have defined a style as level 1 in an outline
numbering scheme (but with no numbers actually used), then
the paragraph in question could have been level 2. The
part I forgot was that restarting numbering within the
context of the style can only work with a higher level.
That is to say, level 2 can restart after level 1, but
level 1 cannot be made to restart. All I wanted was a
simple numbered list at two different places in the
document. Next time I start over with a clean template.
 
B

Bruce

Thanks for the link. I am already familiar with Shauna
Kelly's fine articles on the subject, but I discovered
something at the web site I hadn't seen before about
turning off more than I had previously discovered of the
lame-brained automation that infests Word. I don't think
that was the actual title of the article, but maybe they
were being polite. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
 
C

Charles Kenyon

If you need more...

See: How to create numbered headings or outline numbering in your Word
document
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numbering/OutlineNumbering.html.

This is based on ...

Word's Numbering Explained
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Numbering/WordsNumberingExplained.htm

Additional information you may find useful or need is at:

How to Create a Template, Part II
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CreateATemplatePart2.htm

Legal Numbering
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/numbering.htm

Seven Laws of Outline Numbering
http://www.microsystems.com/fra_sevenlawsofoutlinenumbering.htm

The following are some discussions on the Microsoft newsgroups on numbering:
Nightmare on ListNumbering Street <URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=9e790fa7ed2886b3,18&ic=1>
The Joy of Lists <URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=811287ebce8fc203,15&ic=1>
Relinking ListTemplates <URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=2350746054c838e,12&ic=1>
Outline numbering: restart doesn't restart <URL:
http://groups.google.com/[email protected]#p>
Format Doesn't "Hold" <URL:
http://groups.google.com/[email protected]#p>
(above list compiled by Dave Rado, Word MVP)

ListNumbering Street Revisited <URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&th=57df77857e4993ce>

See the latest numbering discussion I've seen, especially post #4 which
contains Dave Rado's concise instructions for setting up heading numbering.
<URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=bce07d7714769f5c>
 
S

Stefan Blom

Bruce said:
I should have defined a style as level 1 in an outline
numbering scheme (but with no numbers actually used), then
the paragraph in question could have been level 2. The
part I forgot was that restarting numbering within the
context of the style can only work with a higher level.
That is to say, level 2 can restart after level 1, but
level 1 cannot be made to restart. All I wanted was a
simple numbered list at two different places in the
document. Next time I start over with a clean template.

A different way to restart numbering, which doesn't require the use of
an outline numbering scheme with a non-numbered level 1 linked to a
"dummy style", is discussed at:

Restarting list numbering using LISTNUM fields
http://www.syntagma.demon.co.uk/FAQs/ListRestartByLISTNUM.htm

The LISTNUM restart method allows you to reuse the same single-level
numbering scheme for several numbered lists in a document.
 
J

Jim

Create a style e.g. Number List.
Modify the Style (don't use Format/Bullets and Numbering
from the menu but from the Modify button within the Style
window)
After opening the B & N window (still within
Style/Modify), click customize.
Click each individual level of indent and adjust your
settings. This is a pain in the butt until you get used
to it. Easiest to use .5 changes up the scale. Keep in
mind that as the number hierarchy gets larger e.g.
1.25.10.11 you need the space for all those numbers.

apply the settings.

You can now use the style for number list. I do this for
each paragraph indent style I use. i.e. Indent 2
Indent 2 # list, Indent 2 Bullet List

For some reason, creating the number list format you
want, then selecting the Style, then applying the new
settings, doesn't every work with numbered lists or
bullets. On any version of Word. It's really stupid.

Word 2003 always wants to continue numbering instead of
restarting and I can't figure out how to change that
default; Right click and you can RESTART NuMBERING.
 

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