shared borders

R

Richard

Am unable to publish to web altho' shows in Preview. This
only occurred when editing existing border. Has anyone any
suggestion?
Using FP2000, OS WindowsME
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

Shared borders and Include Pages are design time tools w/ the content (inside the <BODY> tags) of the Shared Border or Include page
"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you save any of the file(s) using them (or save the borders / include pages
themselves)

FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to include the Shared borders, (which are really just a special case of Include
pages)
But FP can not build those tables if either your shared border page content or main page content has illegal html or broken tag
pairs
- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or unmatched table / cell tags (unclosed table / cell tags), or some other unclosed
html block element

If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they will publish in as part of your pages

If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser, it's because FP can not build the included content tables, so you need to
validate and correct your broken html





| Am unable to publish to web altho' shows in Preview. This
| only occurred when editing existing border. Has anyone any
| suggestion?
| Using FP2000, OS WindowsME
|
 
R

Richard

I think I understand. However, have checked HTML and
ensured <body> tags open/close: see new page:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>New Page 2</title>
</head>

<body>

</body>

</html>

and with border added:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>New Page 2</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="t">
</head>

<body>

</body>

</html>


URL:mainlychairs.co.nz If source code helps please advise.

Are we making a mistake by trying to insert a table?
-----Original Message-----
Shared borders and Include Pages are design time tools w/
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the content (inside the said:
"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you
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save any of the file(s) using them (or save the borders /
include pages
themselves)

FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to include
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the Shared borders, (which are really just a special case
of Include
pages)
But FP can not build those tables if either your shared
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border page content or main page content has illegal html
or broken tag
pairs
- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or
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unmatched table / cell tags (unclosed table / cell tags),
or some other unclosed
html block element

If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they
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will publish in as part of your pages
If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser, it's
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because FP can not build the included content tables, so
you need to
validate and correct your broken html





"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in
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S

Stefan B Rusynko

Provide a URL of the published page w/ the problems




| I think I understand. However, have checked HTML and
| ensured <body> tags open/close: see new page:
|
| <html>
|
| <head>
| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| charset=windows-1252">
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| <title>New Page 2</title>
| </head>
|
| <body>
|
| </body>
|
| </html>
|
| and with border added:
|
| <html>
|
| <head>
| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| charset=windows-1252">
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| <title>New Page 2</title>
| <meta name="Microsoft Border" content="t">
| </head>
|
| <body>
|
| </body>
|
| </html>
|
|
| URL:mainlychairs.co.nz If source code helps please advise.
|
| Are we making a mistake by trying to insert a table?
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Shared borders and Include Pages are design time tools w/
| the content (inside the <BODY> tags) of the Shared Border
| or Include page
| >"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you
| save any of the file(s) using them (or save the borders /
| include pages
| >themselves)
| >
| >FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to include
| the Shared borders, (which are really just a special case
| of Include
| >pages)
| >But FP can not build those tables if either your shared
| border page content or main page content has illegal html
| or broken tag
| >pairs
| >- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or
| unmatched table / cell tags (unclosed table / cell tags),
| or some other unclosed
| >html block element
| >
| >If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they
| will publish in as part of your pages
| >
| >If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser, it's
| because FP can not build the included content tables, so
| you need to
| >validate and correct your broken html
| >
| >
| >--
| >
| >_____________________________________________
| >SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| message | >| Am unable to publish to web altho' shows in Preview.
| This
| >| only occurred when editing existing border. Has anyone
| any
| >| suggestion?
| >| Using FP2000, OS WindowsME
| >|
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 
R

Richard

http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/classic_dining_chair_range
master.htm

The problem seems to be when I click format and take
the "all pages" option.

I have just done as above on the url specified. In page
view I clicked from page to page each of the links.
Everything worked fine.

Clicked File/Publish/changed pages only.

Was given option did I want to override each page so (half
way through) clicked 'yes to all'.

Went to web. Refreshed site & as before, some pages still
had border missing, eg:
http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/washable_sofas.htm

Returned to FP, checked the classic dining chair page on
which I added the border and found the 'apply to' option
had reverted to 'current page'!!

Its got me beat. I will once again "detect & repair" but
am not too optimistic.

Thanks if you can help.

-----Original Message-----
Provide a URL of the published page w/ the problems




"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in
Click to expand...
message news:[email protected]...
| I think I understand. However, have checked HTML and
| ensured <body> tags open/close: see new page:
|
| <html>
|
| <head>
| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| charset=windows-1252">
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| <title>New Page 2</title>
| </head>
|
| <body>
|
| </body>
|
| </html>
|
| and with border added:
|
| <html>
|
| <head>
| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| charset=windows-1252">
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| <title>New Page 2</title>
| <meta name="Microsoft Border" content="t">
| </head>
|
| <body>
|
| </body>
|
| </html>
|
|
| URL:mainlychairs.co.nz If source code helps please advise.
|
| Are we making a mistake by trying to insert a table?
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Shared borders and Include Pages are design time tools w/
| the content (inside the <BODY> tags) of the Shared Border
| or Include page
| >"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you
| save any of the file(s) using them (or save the borders /
| include pages
| >themselves)
| >
| >FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to include
| the Shared borders, (which are really just a special case
| of Include
| >pages)
| >But FP can not build those tables if either your shared
| border page content or main page content has illegal html
| or broken tag
| >pairs
| >- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or
| unmatched table / cell tags (unclosed table / cell tags),
| or some other unclosed
| >html block element
| >
| >If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they
| will publish in as part of your pages
| >
| >If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser, it's
| because FP can not build the included content tables, so
| you need to
| >validate and correct your broken html
| >
| >
| >--
| >
| >_____________________________________________
| >SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| message | >| Am unable to publish to web altho' shows in Preview.
| This
| >| only occurred when editing existing border. Has anyone
| any
| >| suggestion?
| >| Using FP2000, OS WindowsME
| >|
| >
| >
| >.
| >


.
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E

Edward A. Owens

Richard,
I've seen similar problems with FrontPage 2002 and 2003 for years.
I generally open and edit web sites live.
One of the things I've noticed is that sometimes when doing a save,
FrontPage automatically asks if I'd like to save
each of the shared borders on the page, along with a Save As for the page
I've been working on.
It's as if FrontPage and the server somehow lose contact with each other.
In these events, sometimes they crop up if I've been working on a page for
some time, I simply
answer no to each of the requests for saving the shared borders....and I
"SAVE AS...the file.
I don't know why this happens, but shared borders disappearing has just
become a way of life for me.
I've learned to copy the content of the borders into BACK-UP files, and to
copy and paste them back into the
borders whenever I find them missing.
Hope this helps.
e.a.o.


Richard said:
http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/classic_dining_chair_range
master.htm

The problem seems to be when I click format and take
the "all pages" option.

I have just done as above on the url specified. In page
view I clicked from page to page each of the links.
Everything worked fine.

Clicked File/Publish/changed pages only.

Was given option did I want to override each page so (half
way through) clicked 'yes to all'.

Went to web. Refreshed site & as before, some pages still
had border missing, eg:
http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/washable_sofas.htm

Returned to FP, checked the classic dining chair page on
which I added the border and found the 'apply to' option
had reverted to 'current page'!!

Its got me beat. I will once again "detect & repair" but
am not too optimistic.

Thanks if you can help.

-----Original Message-----
Provide a URL of the published page w/ the problems




"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in
Click to expand...
message news:[email protected]...
| I think I understand. However, have checked HTML and
| ensured <body> tags open/close: see new page:
|
| <html>
|
| <head>
| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| charset=windows-1252">
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| <title>New Page 2</title>
| </head>
|
| <body>
|
| </body>
|
| </html>
|
| and with border added:
|
| <html>
|
| <head>
| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| charset=windows-1252">
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| <title>New Page 2</title>
| <meta name="Microsoft Border" content="t">
| </head>
|
| <body>
|
| </body>
|
| </html>
|
|
| URL:mainlychairs.co.nz If source code helps please advise.
|
| Are we making a mistake by trying to insert a table?
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Shared borders and Include Pages are design time tools w/
| the content (inside the <BODY> tags) of the Shared Border
| or Include page
| >"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you
| save any of the file(s) using them (or save the borders /
| include pages
| >themselves)
| >
| >FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to include
| the Shared borders, (which are really just a special case
| of Include
| >pages)
| >But FP can not build those tables if either your shared
| border page content or main page content has illegal html
| or broken tag
| >pairs
| >- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or
| unmatched table / cell tags (unclosed table / cell tags),
| or some other unclosed
| >html block element
| >
| >If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they
| will publish in as part of your pages
| >
| >If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser, it's
| because FP can not build the included content tables, so
| you need to
| >validate and correct your broken html
| >
| >
| >--
| >
| >_____________________________________________
| >SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| message | >| Am unable to publish to web altho' shows in Preview.
| This
| >| only occurred when editing existing border. Has anyone
| any
| >| suggestion?
| >| Using FP2000, OS WindowsME
| >|
| >
| >
| >.
| >


.
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R

Richard

Edward,

Many thanks for taking the trouble to respond.

The solution of copy/paste is not quite so simple.

The borders themselves disappear so there is no where to
paste.

I have attempted this & resorted to copying a backup file
in HTML view & inserting appropriately: <...border
content "b.paste">. This works for the particular page. I
since discovered I could simply paste 'default' after the
location initial. But in both instances, it only applied
to the one page. Attempts to apply to 'all pages' failed &
the dialogue box reverted back to the 'Current page'
option. If you can't be certain that your shared borders
are shared with every page in the site its a rather
meaningless exercise.

I don't know what differences there are with FP 2002 &
2003 but I have not had the problems you've experienced
with saving.

I'm thinking about your method of editing "live", I can't
see how you can do it just as you can't edit in FP in
preview mode.

I'll put this up on the newsgroup so that the MVP
respondent can see it.

Thanks again,
Richard,
I've seen similar problems with FrontPage 2002 and 2003 for years.
I generally open and edit web sites live.
One of the things I've noticed is that sometimes when doing a save,
FrontPage automatically asks if I'd like to save
each of the shared borders on the page, along with a Save As for the page
I've been working on.
It's as if FrontPage and the server somehow lose contact with each other.
In these events, sometimes they crop up if I've been working on a page for
some time, I simply
answer no to each of the requests for saving the shared borders....and I
"SAVE AS...the file.
I don't know why this happens, but shared borders disappearing has just
become a way of life for me.
I've learned to copy the content of the borders into BACK- UP files, and to
copy and paste them back into the
borders whenever I find them missing.
Hope this helps.
e.a.o.


http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/classic_dining_chair_range
master.htm

The problem seems to be when I click format and take
the "all pages" option.

I have just done as above on the url specified. In page
view I clicked from page to page each of the links.
Everything worked fine.

Clicked File/Publish/changed pages only.

Was given option did I want to override each page so (half
way through) clicked 'yes to all'.

Went to web. Refreshed site & as before, some pages still
had border missing, eg:
http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/washable_sofas.htm

Returned to FP, checked the classic dining chair page on
which I added the border and found the 'apply to' option
had reverted to 'current page'!!

Its got me beat. I will once again "detect & repair" but
am not too optimistic.

Thanks if you can help.

-----Original Message-----
Provide a URL of the published page w/ the problems




"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in
Click to expand...
message news:[email protected]...
| I think I understand. However, have checked HTML and
| ensured <body> tags open/close: see new page:
|
| <html>
|
| <head>
| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| charset=windows-1252">
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| <title>New Page 2</title>
| </head>
|
| <body>
|
| </body>
|
| </html>
|
| and with border added:
|
| <html>
|
| <head>
| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| charset=windows-1252">
| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| <title>New Page 2</title>
| <meta name="Microsoft Border" content="t">
| </head>
|
| <body>
|
| </body>
|
| </html>
|
|
| URL:mainlychairs.co.nz If source code helps please advise.
|
| Are we making a mistake by trying to insert a table?
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Shared borders and Include Pages are design time
Click to expand...
tools
w/
| the content (inside the <BODY> tags) of the Shared Border
| or Include page
| >"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you
| save any of the file(s) using them (or save the borders /
| include pages
| >themselves)
| >
| >FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to include
| the Shared borders, (which are really just a special case
| of Include
| >pages)
| >But FP can not build those tables if either your shared
| border page content or main page content has illegal html
| or broken tag
| >pairs
| >- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or
| unmatched table / cell tags (unclosed table / cell tags),
| or some other unclosed
| >html block element
| >
| >If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they
| will publish in as part of your pages
| >
| >If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser, it's
| because FP can not build the included content tables, so
| you need to
| >validate and correct your broken html
| >
| >
| >--
| >
| >_____________________________________________
| >SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| message | >| Am unable to publish to web altho' shows in Preview.
| This
| >| only occurred when editing existing border. Has anyone
| any
| >| suggestion?
| >| Using FP2000, OS WindowsME
| >|
| >
| >
| >.
| >


.
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.
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S

Stefan B Rusynko

Remove spaces from all file / folder names (illegal html, breaks links)
http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/classic_dining_chair_range master.htm

I see you bottom shared border applied to the page
(from http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/_borders/bottom.htm)

You are using a shared border just for that page
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="b">
vs. the same one applied to all pages like your home page
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="b, default">

PS
you also have a <base target="_top"> tag in your pages which will affect all your links






| http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/classic_dining_chair_range
| master.htm
|
| The problem seems to be when I click format and take
| the "all pages" option.
|
| I have just done as above on the url specified. In page
| view I clicked from page to page each of the links.
| Everything worked fine.
|
| Clicked File/Publish/changed pages only.
|
| Was given option did I want to override each page so (half
| way through) clicked 'yes to all'.
|
| Went to web. Refreshed site & as before, some pages still
| had border missing, eg:
| http://www.mainlychairs.co.nz/washable_sofas.htm
|
| Returned to FP, checked the classic dining chair page on
| which I added the border and found the 'apply to' option
| had reverted to 'current page'!!
|
| Its got me beat. I will once again "detect & repair" but
| am not too optimistic.
|
| Thanks if you can help.
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Provide a URL of the published page w/ the problems
| >
| >--
| >
| >_____________________________________________
| >SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| message | >| I think I understand. However, have checked HTML and
| >| ensured <body> tags open/close: see new page:
| >|
| >| <html>
| >|
| >| <head>
| >| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| >| charset=windows-1252">
| >| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage
| 4.0">
| >| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| >| <title>New Page 2</title>
| >| </head>
| >|
| >| <body>
| >|
| >| </body>
| >|
| >| </html>
| >|
| >| and with border added:
| >|
| >| <html>
| >|
| >| <head>
| >| <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
| >| charset=windows-1252">
| >| <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage
| 4.0">
| >| <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
| >| <title>New Page 2</title>
| >| <meta name="Microsoft Border" content="t">
| >| </head>
| >|
| >| <body>
| >|
| >| </body>
| >|
| >| </html>
| >|
| >|
| >| URL:mainlychairs.co.nz If source code helps please
| advise.
| >|
| >| Are we making a mistake by trying to insert a table?
| >|
| >| >-----Original Message-----
| >| >Shared borders and Include Pages are design time tools
| w/
| >| the content (inside the <BODY> tags) of the Shared
| Border
| >| or Include page
| >| >"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you
| >| save any of the file(s) using them (or save the
| borders /
| >| include pages
| >| >themselves)
| >| >
| >| >FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to
| include
| >| the Shared borders, (which are really just a special
| case
| >| of Include
| >| >pages)
| >| >But FP can not build those tables if either your shared
| >| border page content or main page content has illegal
| html
| >| or broken tag
| >| >pairs
| >| >- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or
| >| unmatched table / cell tags (unclosed table / cell
| tags),
| >| or some other unclosed
| >| >html block element
| >| >
| >| >If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they
| >| will publish in as part of your pages
| >| >
| >| >If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser,
| it's
| >| because FP can not build the included content tables, so
| >| you need to
| >| >validate and correct your broken html
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >--
| >| >
| >| >_____________________________________________
| >| >SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP -
| FrontPage ]
| >| >"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!"
| (-;
| >| >To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| >| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >| >_____________________________________________
| >| >
| >| >
| in
| >| message | >| >| Am unable to publish to web altho' shows in Preview.
| >| This
| >| >| only occurred when editing existing border. Has
| anyone
| >| any
| >| >| suggestion?
| >| >| Using FP2000, OS WindowsME
| >| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >.
| >| >
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 
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