Slow Word 2002

J

Jerry

It takes about 60 seconds to open Word 2002 and load a small .txt or ..doc file on my W98 system. I've got 512 MB RAM and a 500 MHz P-II processor and Gigs of free disk space. If I delete normal.doc before I enter Word, I can do the same task in about 5 seconds. But then when I exit, Word regenerates a new normal.doc albatross and spends 60 seconds to close. Then it takes another 60 seconds the next time I reload Word. sfc.exe flagged user.exe as corrupt, but that seems to be baloney. When I restored my original (smaller) user.exe file from my installation ..cab file I couldn't even boot into Windows and I had to restore the suspect (2x larger) user.exe file to get back to a workable but slow-as-molasses system. Can anyone help me?? Is it possible to get rid of the rotten normal.dot file so the application will work faster??
 
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&:-jesse\)

See the following...

http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/AppErrors/ProbsOpeningWord.ht
m

jesse
-----Original Message-----
It takes about 60 seconds to open Word 2002 and load a
small .txt or ..doc file on my W98 system. I've got 512
MB RAM and a 500 MHz P-II processor and Gigs of free disk
space. If I delete normal.doc before I enter Word, I can
do the same task in about 5 seconds. But then when I
exit, Word regenerates a new normal.doc albatross and
spends 60 seconds to close. Then it takes another 60
seconds the next time I reload Word. sfc.exe flagged
user.exe as corrupt, but that seems to be baloney. When I
restored my original (smaller) user.exe file from my
installation ..cab file I couldn't even boot into Windows
and I had to restore the suspect (2x larger) user.exe file
to get back to a workable but slow-as-molasses system.
Can anyone help me?? Is it possible to get rid of the
rotten normal.dot file so the application will work
faster??
 
J

Jerry

Point well taken, but my experience is that I get at most one or two responses to a query and if the response does not solve the problem, I'm out of luck. I have gotten no response to my post of 9/11 10:46 pm and the suggestion of 9/12 8:25 am by &:-jesse was not fruitful and had already been tried. Can someone tell me whether it is reasonable to expect Word 2002 to open and load a plain-jane normal.dot file and bring in a modest (1/4 page with no fancy graphics) document file in substantially less than 60 seconds with a P-II 500 processor, 512 Megs of RAM, several Gigs of free hard disk space and a W98 OS, or am I just wasting my time trying? Is my best solution just to open Word in the morning and then leave it open all day? My frustration is that I had a much more robust word processor 20 years ago with DOS and an 8086 or 8088 processor.

You need to give everyone a chance to view your post. :)

The volunteers who support the newsgroups are from all over the world
and the time they spend in the newsgroups varies. You have submitted
the same question at least three times within a 24 hour period. Please
be a little more patient.

If everyone continued to post their problem then these groups would
have so much traffic they would benefit no one.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/


It takes about 60 seconds to open Word 2002 and load a small .txt or
..doc file on my W98 system. I've got 512 MB RAM and a 500 MHz P-II
processor and Gigs of free disk space. If I delete normal.doc before
I enter Word, I can do the same task in about 5 seconds. But then
when I exit, Word regenerates a new normal.doc albatross and spends 60
seconds to close. Then it takes another 60 seconds the next time I
reload Word. sfc.exe flagged user.exe as corrupt, but that seems to
be baloney. When I restored my original (smaller) user.exe file from
my installation .cab file I couldn't even boot into Windows and I had
to restore the suspect (2x larger) user.exe file to get back to a
workable but slow-as-molasses system. Can anyone help me?? Is it
possible to get rid of the rotten normal.dot file so the application
will work faster??
 
B

Beth Melton

You need to give everyone a chance to view your post. :)

The volunteers who support the newsgroups are from all over the world
and the time they spend in the newsgroups varies. You have submitted
the same question at least three times within a 24 hour period. Please
be a little more patient.

If everyone continued to post their problem then these groups would
have so much traffic they would benefit no one.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/


It takes about 60 seconds to open Word 2002 and load a small .txt or
..doc file on my W98 system. I've got 512 MB RAM and a 500 MHz P-II
processor and Gigs of free disk space. If I delete normal.doc before
I enter Word, I can do the same task in about 5 seconds. But then
when I exit, Word regenerates a new normal.doc albatross and spends 60
seconds to close. Then it takes another 60 seconds the next time I
reload Word. sfc.exe flagged user.exe as corrupt, but that seems to
be baloney. When I restored my original (smaller) user.exe file from
my installation .cab file I couldn't even boot into Windows and I had
to restore the suspect (2x larger) user.exe file to get back to a
workable but slow-as-molasses system. Can anyone help me?? Is it
possible to get rid of the rotten normal.dot file so the application
will work faster??
 
J

Jerry

I am not connected to a network.

I am not using Norton.

I followed all of the troubleshooting steps found in
ProbsOpeningWord.htm.

Nobody has answered my question whether it is reasonable to expect to load Word 2002 and bring up a simple document in less than 60 seconds.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do in response to your comment:
"Note there is more than one startup folder for Word." Is there something I can put into one or more of these startup folders to make the application more responsive?

FWIW, continuing to repost in this newsgroup is one of the fastest way
to *not* get any of your posts answered. You would have had my reply
several hours ago but you were moved to the bottom of my 'reply' list
since it is only fair that I attempt to help others who follow
netiquette first.

Now, are you connected to a network? If so then does the response time
change when you are disconnected from the network?

Are you using Norton as your virus scanner? If so is the Office
Plug-in option enabled?

Did you follow all of the troubleshooting steps found in:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/AppErrors/ProbsOpeningWord.htm

Note there is more than one Startup folder for Word.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/


Point well taken, but my experience is that I get at most one or two
responses to a query and if the response does not solve the problem,
I'm out of luck. I have gotten no response to my post of 9/11 10:46
pm and the suggestion of 9/12 8:25 am by &:-jesse was not fruitful and
had already been tried. Can someone tell me whether it is reasonable
to expect Word 2002 to open and load a plain-jane normal.dot file and
bring in a modest (1/4 page with no fancy graphics) document file in
substantially less than 60 seconds with a P-II 500 processor, 512 Megs
of RAM, several Gigs of free hard disk space and a W98 OS, or am I
just wasting my time trying? Is my best solution just to open Word in
the morning and then leave it open all day? My frustration is that I
had a much more robust word processor 20 years ago with DOS and an
8086 or 8088 processor.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

I believe you have misread the article. If you go to Tools | Options | File
Locations, the path given for Startup is the location of Word's Startup
folder. By default, this is <Windows drive>:\Documents and Settings\<Profile
Name>\Application Data\Microsoft\Word\Startup. The path given for User
Templates (by default, this is <Windows drive>:\Documents and
Settings\<Profile Name.\Application Data\Microsoft\Templates) is where
Normal.dot is stored. You can change either of these through this dialog.
This does not require editing the Registry.

In addition to Word's Startup folder, there is an Office Startup folder that
can contain add-ins that apply to Word. There can also be COM add-ins, which
you won't see either place. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm.
There is not anything you can put in any Startup folder to improve Word's
performance, but there are certainly things that can be already there that
can affect it.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Beth:

Thanks for all your help. I'm sorry I didn't understand how this help
system works.

It is interesting to note that the referenced MVPS ProbsOpening.html says
that the "real startup" path can be found by going into
word/tools/options/file locations/startup: which returns
c:\windows\application data\word\startup on my system.

The same html says the "real startup" path is also where normal.dot gets
saved, i.e.,
c:\windows\application data\microsoft\templates on my system.

My "factory preset startup" path is
d:\program files\microsoft office\office10\startup

My registry shows no startup path in
hkey_current_user\software\microsoft\office\10.0\word\options

So it looks like I might have a conflict somewhere or a missing registry
entry. Do I need to put an entry into my registry????

FWIW, continuing to repost in this newsgroup is one of the fastest way
to *not* get any of your posts answered. You would have had my reply
several hours ago but you were moved to the bottom of my 'reply' list
since it is only fair that I attempt to help others who follow
netiquette first.

Now, are you connected to a network? If so then does the response time
change when you are disconnected from the network?

Are you using Norton as your virus scanner? If so is the Office
Plug-in option enabled?

Did you follow all of the troubleshooting steps found in:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/AppErrors/ProbsOpeningWord.htm

Note there is more than one Startup folder for Word.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/


Point well taken, but my experience is that I get at most one or two
responses to a query and if the response does not solve the problem,
I'm out of luck. I have gotten no response to my post of 9/11 10:46
pm and the suggestion of 9/12 8:25 am by &:-jesse was not fruitful and
had already been tried. Can someone tell me whether it is reasonable
to expect Word 2002 to open and load a plain-jane normal.dot file and
bring in a modest (1/4 page with no fancy graphics) document file in
substantially less than 60 seconds with a P-II 500 processor, 512 Megs
of RAM, several Gigs of free hard disk space and a W98 OS, or am I
just wasting my time trying? Is my best solution just to open Word in
the morning and then leave it open all day? My frustration is that I
had a much more robust word processor 20 years ago with DOS and an
8086 or 8088 processor.
 
J

Jerry

Beth:

I used regedit to create a startup path in my registry:
"c:\windows\application data\microsoft\word\startup".

Then I placed a copy of normal.dot in that folder.

At first I thought that this modification made Word run properly. Word came up and the .doc file loaded in about five seconds, total. However, I later found that I cannot generally repeat the excellent results if I close Word and later reopen it.

With a copy of normal.dot in C:\...\startup and another copy in
c:\...\templates, I rebooted and ran Word six times, exiting Word and reloading the same file each time.

The elapsed times to bring up Word and load the small file were:
10 sec, 6 sec, 10, sec, 37 sec, 36 sec, and 36 sec, respectively.

In each case the document appeared within a second or two after I was able to click on it from the Word File menu (Document 1). But it takes more than 30 seconds for Word to become functional after I click its Desktop Icon.

I seem to have improved Word's performance slightly. But is this the best I can do? Why does Word load 25 seconds slower one minute after reboot than it does immediately after reboot? Is this typical behavior? Please forgive my ignorance. I'm a 62-yr-old mechanical engineer, not a software guru.

Jerry

FWIW, continuing to repost in this newsgroup is one of the fastest way
to *not* get any of your posts answered. You would have had my reply
several hours ago but you were moved to the bottom of my 'reply' list
since it is only fair that I attempt to help others who follow
netiquette first.

Now, are you connected to a network? If so then does the response time
change when you are disconnected from the network?

Are you using Norton as your virus scanner? If so is the Office
Plug-in option enabled?

Did you follow all of the troubleshooting steps found in:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/AppErrors/ProbsOpeningWord.htm

Note there is more than one Startup folder for Word.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/


Point well taken, but my experience is that I get at most one or two
responses to a query and if the response does not solve the problem,
I'm out of luck. I have gotten no response to my post of 9/11 10:46
pm and the suggestion of 9/12 8:25 am by &:-jesse was not fruitful and
had already been tried. Can someone tell me whether it is reasonable
to expect Word 2002 to open and load a plain-jane normal.dot file and
bring in a modest (1/4 page with no fancy graphics) document file in
substantially less than 60 seconds with a P-II 500 processor, 512 Megs
of RAM, several Gigs of free hard disk space and a W98 OS, or am I
just wasting my time trying? Is my best solution just to open Word in
the morning and then leave it open all day? My frustration is that I
had a much more robust word processor 20 years ago with DOS and an
8086 or 8088 processor.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

Yes, you should expect better performance, but I don't know what to tell you
to do. For starters, though, you could stop tinkering with the Registry; you
don't need to use Regedit to create a Startup folder for Word; it already
has one, and the path is given on the File Locations tab of Tools | Options,
where it can be modified. What happens when you start Word with the /a
switch?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Okay: Now I have removed normal.dot from my Word Startup folder. I have
also checked that there is nothing in my Office Startup folder. I read your
Add_In html and deleted the optional WebPageWizard and European Whatever
options that appeared in my new Word Tools ComAdd_Ins menu that I created.
But it still takes me nearly a minute to get Word to load and bring a simple
document onto my monitor after I hit the Word icon on my desktop.

My consternation is this:

If I hit the Word Icon as soon as I reboot, I can bring a document up in
about 6 seconds. But if I close Word and bring it back up later or if I
don't load Word until minutes after a reboot, it takes about 40 seconds to
load. Something is wrong. Can it be repaired? Should I expect better
performance?

I believe you have misread the article. If you go to Tools | Options | File
Locations, the path given for Startup is the location of Word's Startup
folder. By default, this is <Windows drive>:\Documents and Settings\<Profile
Name>\Application Data\Microsoft\Word\Startup. The path given for User
Templates (by default, this is <Windows drive>:\Documents and
Settings\<Profile Name.\Application Data\Microsoft\Templates) is where
Normal.dot is stored. You can change either of these through this dialog.
This does not require editing the Registry.

In addition to Word's Startup folder, there is an Office Startup folder that
can contain add-ins that apply to Word. There can also be COM add-ins, which
you won't see either place. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm.
There is not anything you can put in any Startup folder to improve Word's
performance, but there are certainly things that can be already there that
can affect it.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Beth:

Thanks for all your help. I'm sorry I didn't understand how this help
system works.

It is interesting to note that the referenced MVPS ProbsOpening.html says
that the "real startup" path can be found by going into
word/tools/options/file locations/startup: which returns
c:\windows\application data\word\startup on my system.

The same html says the "real startup" path is also where normal.dot gets
saved, i.e.,
c:\windows\application data\microsoft\templates on my system.

My "factory preset startup" path is
d:\program files\microsoft office\office10\startup

My registry shows no startup path in
hkey_current_user\software\microsoft\office\10.0\word\options

So it looks like I might have a conflict somewhere or a missing registry
entry. Do I need to put an entry into my registry????

FWIW, continuing to repost in this newsgroup is one of the fastest way
to *not* get any of your posts answered. You would have had my reply
several hours ago but you were moved to the bottom of my 'reply' list
since it is only fair that I attempt to help others who follow
netiquette first.

Now, are you connected to a network? If so then does the response time
change when you are disconnected from the network?

Are you using Norton as your virus scanner? If so is the Office
Plug-in option enabled?

Did you follow all of the troubleshooting steps found in:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/AppErrors/ProbsOpeningWord.htm

Note there is more than one Startup folder for Word.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/


Point well taken, but my experience is that I get at most one or two
responses to a query and if the response does not solve the problem,
I'm out of luck. I have gotten no response to my post of 9/11 10:46
pm and the suggestion of 9/12 8:25 am by &:-jesse was not fruitful and
had already been tried. Can someone tell me whether it is reasonable
to expect Word 2002 to open and load a plain-jane normal.dot file and
bring in a modest (1/4 page with no fancy graphics) document file in
substantially less than 60 seconds with a P-II 500 processor, 512 Megs
of RAM, several Gigs of free hard disk space and a W98 OS, or am I
just wasting my time trying? Is my best solution just to open Word in
the morning and then leave it open all day? My frustration is that I
had a much more robust word processor 20 years ago with DOS and an
8086 or 8088 processor.
 
B

Beth Melton

Hi Jerry,

Word should not be taking 60 seconds to load.

It's interesting that Word will load correctly immediately after
rebooting. This makes me think MS Office Fast Search could be the
problem. Contrary to what they say there is nothing 'fast' about it.
<g> It's recommended it be turned off. Here is a KB article containing
instructions on how to disable it:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q282107

If that isn't the problem, you are not on a network, you aren't using
Norton, and your Startup folders are empty then finding the culprit
more than likely will be a process of elimination:

- Did Word come installed as part of Works Suite? If so then the
"Microsoft Works Suite Add-in for Word" could be the cause. Check
Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel and the if the Works Add-in
for Word is found uninstall it and recreate Normal.dot.

- Is the response time faster if you start Word using the /a switch?
This by-passes your Normal.dot, add-ins, and your custom Registry
preferences.

- Go to Tools/Options/Save and make sure "Prompt to save Normal
template" is turned on. After you Word has recreated Normal.dot and
the new Normal.dot has been saved you should not be prompted to save
changes upon exiting Word. If you are then it should be investigated.

- Go to Tools/Macro/Security, select the Security Level tab if
necessary, and at the bottom see if it reflect "Virus Scanner enabled"

Let us know what you find. :)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/



My consternation is this:

If I hit the Word Icon as soon as I reboot, I can bring a document up
in about 6 seconds. But if I close Word and bring it back up later or
if I don't load Word until minutes after a reboot, it takes about 40
seconds to load. Something is wrong. Can it be repaired? Should I
expect better performance?
 
B

Beth Melton

Hi Jerry,

No worries. We all try to follow netiquette around here. If we didn't
then the newsgroups would be a mad house! Aside from reposting
generating unnecessary traffic, maintain a thread makes it easier for
everyone to follow. That way those who have participated in the
thread, and newcomers to the thread, can go back through all of the
posts and find all previous suggestions, comments, and what you have
tried/not tried. When everything is broken up then it's easy for an
important detail to be overlooked. :)

~Beth Melton


Beth:

Thanks for all your help. I'm sorry I didn't understand how this help
system works.
 
J

Jerry

The htm file said I should find a startup path in the registry and I didn't so that's why I put it in. Should I delete it?

Yes, you should expect better performance, but I don't know what to tell you
to do. For starters, though, you could stop tinkering with the Registry; you
don't need to use Regedit to create a Startup folder for Word; it already
has one, and the path is given on the File Locations tab of Tools | Options,
where it can be modified. What happens when you start Word with the /a
switch?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Okay: Now I have removed normal.dot from my Word Startup folder. I have
also checked that there is nothing in my Office Startup folder. I read your
Add_In html and deleted the optional WebPageWizard and European Whatever
options that appeared in my new Word Tools ComAdd_Ins menu that I created.
But it still takes me nearly a minute to get Word to load and bring a simple
document onto my monitor after I hit the Word icon on my desktop.

My consternation is this:

If I hit the Word Icon as soon as I reboot, I can bring a document up in
about 6 seconds. But if I close Word and bring it back up later or if I
don't load Word until minutes after a reboot, it takes about 40 seconds to
load. Something is wrong. Can it be repaired? Should I expect better
performance?

I believe you have misread the article. If you go to Tools | Options | File
Locations, the path given for Startup is the location of Word's Startup
folder. By default, this is <Windows drive>:\Documents and Settings\<Profile
Name>\Application Data\Microsoft\Word\Startup. The path given for User
Templates (by default, this is <Windows drive>:\Documents and
Settings\<Profile Name.\Application Data\Microsoft\Templates) is where
Normal.dot is stored. You can change either of these through this dialog.
This does not require editing the Registry.

In addition to Word's Startup folder, there is an Office Startup folder that
can contain add-ins that apply to Word. There can also be COM add-ins, which
you won't see either place. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm.
There is not anything you can put in any Startup folder to improve Word's
performance, but there are certainly things that can be already there that
can affect it.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Beth:

Thanks for all your help. I'm sorry I didn't understand how this help
system works.

It is interesting to note that the referenced MVPS ProbsOpening.html says
that the "real startup" path can be found by going into
word/tools/options/file locations/startup: which returns
c:\windows\application data\word\startup on my system.

The same html says the "real startup" path is also where normal.dot gets
saved, i.e.,
c:\windows\application data\microsoft\templates on my system.

My "factory preset startup" path is
d:\program files\microsoft office\office10\startup

My registry shows no startup path in
hkey_current_user\software\microsoft\office\10.0\word\options

So it looks like I might have a conflict somewhere or a missing registry
entry. Do I need to put an entry into my registry????

FWIW, continuing to repost in this newsgroup is one of the fastest way
to *not* get any of your posts answered. You would have had my reply
several hours ago but you were moved to the bottom of my 'reply' list
since it is only fair that I attempt to help others who follow
netiquette first.

Now, are you connected to a network? If so then does the response time
change when you are disconnected from the network?

Are you using Norton as your virus scanner? If so is the Office
Plug-in option enabled?

Did you follow all of the troubleshooting steps found in:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/AppErrors/ProbsOpeningWord.htm

Note there is more than one Startup folder for Word.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/


Point well taken, but my experience is that I get at most one or two
responses to a query and if the response does not solve the problem,
I'm out of luck. I have gotten no response to my post of 9/11 10:46
pm and the suggestion of 9/12 8:25 am by &:-jesse was not fruitful and
had already been tried. Can someone tell me whether it is reasonable
to expect Word 2002 to open and load a plain-jane normal.dot file and
bring in a modest (1/4 page with no fancy graphics) document file in
substantially less than 60 seconds with a P-II 500 processor, 512 Megs
of RAM, several Gigs of free hard disk space and a W98 OS, or am I
just wasting my time trying? Is my best solution just to open Word in
the morning and then leave it open all day? My frustration is that I
had a much more robust word processor 20 years ago with DOS and an
8086 or 8088 processor.
 
J

Jerry

My startup folders are empty

Fast Search is disabled

Word did not come as part of a Works suite.

My c:\program files folder is dated January 1999, which probably indicates the approximate age of my computer.

I used drive2drive a year or so ago to move everything to a bigger hard drive, but that did not cause a detriment to the already-putrid Word performance. The old drive is not on the computer.

I uninstalled Works years ago.

winword /a makes Word functional within 3 seconds
and a simple Word document comes in within 1 second after I hit the file listing with my mouse. This performance is repeatable even now, at least 10 hours since boot-up, so I don't think it's some background program leaking memory or whatever.

System Resource meter is reputed to be highly questionable in W98, but it shows 52 percent free now. Its more like 75 or 80 percent shortly after bootup. Right now I'm running Microsoft Outlook and Control Panel overtly. Vaio smart keybord is an icon in the lower right corner of the desktop. Also OnTrack Fix It (virus scanner), ZoneAlarm, Resource Meter, and stuff like speaker volume, ac power, and modem activity. I have 42 icons on the main area of my desktop and I don't show or use the little Microsoft Application Or Office Taskbar gizmos. I open all applications by double-clicking on the icons or clicking any icon and typing a unique letter and hitting <enter> so I don't have to look for common icons such as Word, Excel, Outlook, AutoCad, Fix It, Internet (Internet Explorer), Xplorer (Windows Explorer), HP Scanner, etc.

ctrl-alt-delete shows that I'm running resource meter, explorer, this window (re: slow word 2002), ctfmon, zonealarm, mxtask, mdm, systray, and rnaapp. I don't know what all of these these are, but zonealarm is a firewall that I installed since my last virus attack. I'm rather confident it's not the culprit. I will go back into msconfig and see how barebones I can run without cratering, but I'm pretty sure it won't solve the problem to disable any of this stuff that proves to be non-vital.

Word from the Desktop Icon becomes functional in about 36 seconds, just like yesterday about three minutes after bootup. As stated above, it has been at least 10 hours since bootup.

BTW Excel always pops up within 2 or 3 seconds, so everything in Office isn't a slug.

I have garbage in my control panel add/delete list that I cannot add/delete such as
SurfMonkey (whatever that is)
Borland C++ which was removed years ago

I'm not on a network.

I don't use Norton.

I had an earlier version of Office that I upgraded ~2 yrs ago because Word was unbearably slow. It obviously didn't help to upgrade.

I have turned off just about everything in msconfig that I can without locking up the OS.

Suzanne Barnhill chided me for messing with the registry without direction to do so, but the addition of a startup path has apparently not affected performance. The StartupProblems htm at least implied to me that the path should be in the registry so I put it in. I will take it back out after I send this message to you.

My wife says I'm nuts to pursue this problem so doggedly, but after putting up with lousy Word performance so long I've just decided to see if I can finally get what I paid for.

Hi Jerry,

Word should not be taking 60 seconds to load.

It's interesting that Word will load correctly immediately after
rebooting. This makes me think MS Office Fast Search could be the
problem. Contrary to what they say there is nothing 'fast' about it.
<g> It's recommended it be turned off. Here is a KB article containing
instructions on how to disable it:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q282107

If that isn't the problem, you are not on a network, you aren't using
Norton, and your Startup folders are empty then finding the culprit
more than likely will be a process of elimination:

- Did Word come installed as part of Works Suite? If so then the
"Microsoft Works Suite Add-in for Word" could be the cause. Check
Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel and the if the Works Add-in
for Word is found uninstall it and recreate Normal.dot.

- Is the response time faster if you start Word using the /a switch?
This by-passes your Normal.dot, add-ins, and your custom Registry
preferences.

- Go to Tools/Options/Save and make sure "Prompt to save Normal
template" is turned on. After you Word has recreated Normal.dot and
the new Normal.dot has been saved you should not be prompted to save
changes upon exiting Word. If you are then it should be investigated.

- Go to Tools/Macro/Security, select the Security Level tab if
necessary, and at the bottom see if it reflect "Virus Scanner enabled"

Let us know what you find. :)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/



My consternation is this:

If I hit the Word Icon as soon as I reboot, I can bring a document up
in about 6 seconds. But if I close Word and bring it back up later or
if I don't load Word until minutes after a reboot, it takes about 40
seconds to load. Something is wrong. Can it be repaired? Should I
expect better performance?
 
B

Beth Melton

winword /a makes Word functional within 3 seconds
and a simple Word document comes in within 1 second after I hit the
file listing with my mouse. This performance is repeatable even now,
at least 10 hours since > boot-up, so I don't think it's some
background program leaking memory or whatever.

When you start Word with the /a switch you are by-passing your
Normal.dot, add-ins, and the Registry. This indicates the problem lies
within one of the items I listed. Although you have indicated you
checked each one it wouldn't hurt to carefully go through the list
again:

Normal.dot: Search for multiple occurrences of Normal.dot. It's
possible that you have more than one available to Word.

Global templates/add-ins:
To determine if you are using any global templates go to
Tools/Templates and Add-Ins and see if there are any global templates
or add-ins listed. If so they are located in one of your Startup
folders. The location of the Word\Startup folder can be found under
Tools/Options/File Locations and the Office\Startup folder can be
found in the Office installation path.

Take a look in each folder and if you find more than one file move
them one at a time and try duplicating the error after each file is
moved out of the folder until you determine which one is causing the
problem.

Attached Template: Open a documents that shows a delay and go to
Tools/Templates and Add-ins and note the Attached Template. If it is
not Normal.dot then that could be the problem.

As of Word 2000, Word can have COM add-ins. COM are added via the
Registry rather than the Startup folders. To determine whether or not
you are using COM Add-In you can add the "COM Add-in" command to your
toolbar:

- Right-click any toolbar and select Customize
- On the Commands tab, select the Tools category
- Locate COM Add-Ins on the right
- Drag/Drop to a location of your choice

For more information on COM Add-Ins, see this article:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm
Suzanne Barnhill chided me for messing with the registry without
direction to do so, but the addition of a startup path has apparently
not affected performance.
The StartupProblems htm at least implied to me that the path should
be in the registry so I put it in. I will take it back out after I
send this message to you.

Well...unless you specifically know what you are doing it *is* best to
leave the Registry alone. The fact that is was missing indicates you
are using the default Startup path and did not modify it under
Tools/Options/File Locations. Typically the default is:
C:\Documents and Settings\<UserName>\Application
Data\Microsoft\Word\Startup

Another item that comes to mind is Speech Recognition. In your Control
Panel take a look in the Regional Settings and Language Options,
select the Language tab and click Details. Remove Speech Recognition,
Handwriting Recognition, etc.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
 
J

Jerry

Explorer verifies that the only file named normal.dot is in my templates directory.

Word verifies that there are no global templates and addins.

My Word and Office Startup Directories are empty.

The Attached Template is 'Normal' for the document I pull up.

The com add-in command on my toolbar verifies that there is nothing there.

Immediately after bootup Word will load and pull in a modest document within 10 seconds or so. If I hurry, I can close word and reopen it a second time in about 10 seconds.

But if I boot and do nothing else for 5 minutes, it then takes Word about 45 seconds to load and pull in the doc.

If I erase normal.dot before I load Word, the app loads really fast, but then it spends a long time recreating normal.dot when I exit.

If I modify normal.dot, this does nothing to improve performance, but I am able to modify normal.dot, and any changes function as intended.

I realize that this is ridiculous, but all evidence leads me to believe that my W98 Operating System 'goes stale' after about 5 minutes and cannot load any version of Word efficiently after that time, even if no other applications are used in that initial 5 minutes. I have eliminated everything that is not vital in msconfig and the same behavior manifests itself. The 'stale OS' hypothesis is corroborated by the fact that I had the same sluggishness problem with an earlier version of Word in Office 98?? on this computer, which I replaced with Office XP to no avail. It was precisely that problem that prompted me to uninstall the earlier version of Office and install this one. I do not recall whether Word ever worked properly on this computer. The computer is about 4.5 years old, as evidenced by the date on the C:\My Documents directory - 1/7/99. I purchased the computer new. All other applications, including Office applications (Excel, Powerpoint) function about as well as they do on other computers.

Should I now pursue the problem in some I've-Got-a-Flaky-OS Newsgroup based on my tentative conclusion that, "It's not Word's fault - its Windows."

This reminds me of an incident 25 years ago when I ran a branch office in Dallas for a Cincinnati-based organization. The home office decided we needed to put a modem on our IBM word processor, so I purchased the IBM-specified modem from Harvey Hubbell (the only provider) in Chicago. Then IBM came in and attached the modem to the machine, but required me to get the phone company to plug it into the phone jack. Of course the thing wouldn't work at first, and every time the IBM rep looked at the problem he blamed the phone company. Every time the phone company rep looked at the situation, he blamed IBM. Finally I got both reps in the same room and guess what. They blamed Harvey Hubbell. I sent the modem back to Chicago and guess what. Nothing was wrong with the modem. Eventually I got IBM and the phone company together in the same room and told them not to leave until the thing was working. They finally got it to work, but neither rep would admit whose fault it was that it wouldn't work from the start. IBM sent me a bill for several hundred dollars, which I told the home office not to pay. Since the phone company refused to admit any fault, I had to assume it was IBM to blame.

At least this time we know it's Microsoft to blame, but we also know that they won't fix it. They'll just suggest an 'upgrade'. Ain't monopoly wonderful?



winword /a makes Word functional within 3 seconds
and a simple Word document comes in within 1 second after I hit the
file listing with my mouse. This performance is repeatable even now,
at least 10 hours since > boot-up, so I don't think it's some
background program leaking memory or whatever.

When you start Word with the /a switch you are by-passing your
Normal.dot, add-ins, and the Registry. This indicates the problem lies
within one of the items I listed. Although you have indicated you
checked each one it wouldn't hurt to carefully go through the list
again:

Normal.dot: Search for multiple occurrences of Normal.dot. It's
possible that you have more than one available to Word.

Global templates/add-ins:
To determine if you are using any global templates go to
Tools/Templates and Add-Ins and see if there are any global templates
or add-ins listed. If so they are located in one of your Startup
folders. The location of the Word\Startup folder can be found under
Tools/Options/File Locations and the Office\Startup folder can be
found in the Office installation path.

Take a look in each folder and if you find more than one file move
them one at a time and try duplicating the error after each file is
moved out of the folder until you determine which one is causing the
problem.

Attached Template: Open a documents that shows a delay and go to
Tools/Templates and Add-ins and note the Attached Template. If it is
not Normal.dot then that could be the problem.

As of Word 2000, Word can have COM add-ins. COM are added via the
Registry rather than the Startup folders. To determine whether or not
you are using COM Add-In you can add the "COM Add-in" command to your
toolbar:

- Right-click any toolbar and select Customize
- On the Commands tab, select the Tools category
- Locate COM Add-Ins on the right
- Drag/Drop to a location of your choice

For more information on COM Add-Ins, see this article:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm
Suzanne Barnhill chided me for messing with the registry without
direction to do so, but the addition of a startup path has apparently
not affected performance.
The StartupProblems htm at least implied to me that the path should
be in the registry so I put it in. I will take it back out after I
send this message to you.

Well...unless you specifically know what you are doing it *is* best to
leave the Registry alone. The fact that is was missing indicates you
are using the default Startup path and did not modify it under
Tools/Options/File Locations. Typically the default is:
C:\Documents and Settings\<UserName>\Application
Data\Microsoft\Word\Startup

Another item that comes to mind is Speech Recognition. In your Control
Panel take a look in the Regional Settings and Language Options,
select the Language tab and click Details. Remove Speech Recognition,
Handwriting Recognition, etc.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
 
J

Jerry

I have followed those directions and have created the menu to check for com add ins. There are now no such add ins on my system.

Okay, the stuff about the Registry is buried deep in a footnote way at the
end of the article and applies only if you can't get into Word to find the
true Startup path, so that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that Word
starts properly with the /a switch. What this reliably indicates is that you
have a problem with (a) Normal.dot, (b) the Registry, or (c) an add-in. One
thing you have not mentioned is whether or not you have followed the
directions at
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm to
check for COM add-ins.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

My startup folders are empty

Fast Search is disabled

Word did not come as part of a Works suite.

My c:\program files folder is dated January 1999, which probably indicates
the approximate age of my computer.

I used drive2drive a year or so ago to move everything to a bigger hard
drive, but that did not cause a detriment to the already-putrid Word
performance. The old drive is not on the computer.

I uninstalled Works years ago.

winword /a makes Word functional within 3 seconds
and a simple Word document comes in within 1 second after I hit the file
listing with my mouse. This performance is repeatable even now, at least 10
hours since boot-up, so I don't think it's some background program leaking
memory or whatever.

System Resource meter is reputed to be highly questionable in W98, but it
shows 52 percent free now. Its more like 75 or 80 percent shortly after
bootup. Right now I'm running Microsoft Outlook and Control Panel overtly.
Vaio smart keybord is an icon in the lower right corner of the desktop.
Also OnTrack Fix It (virus scanner), ZoneAlarm, Resource Meter, and stuff
like speaker volume, ac power, and modem activity. I have 42 icons on the
main area of my desktop and I don't show or use the little Microsoft
Application Or Office Taskbar gizmos. I open all applications by
double-clicking on the icons or clicking any icon and typing a unique letter
and hitting <enter> so I don't have to look for common icons such as Word,
Excel, Outlook, AutoCad, Fix It, Internet (Internet Explorer), Xplorer
(Windows Explorer), HP Scanner, etc.

ctrl-alt-delete shows that I'm running resource meter, explorer, this window
(re: slow word 2002), ctfmon, zonealarm, mxtask, mdm, systray, and rnaapp.
I don't know what all of these these are, but zonealarm is a firewall that I
installed since my last virus attack. I'm rather confident it's not the
culprit. I will go back into msconfig and see how barebones I can run
without cratering, but I'm pretty sure it won't solve the problem to disable
any of this stuff that proves to be non-vital.

Word from the Desktop Icon becomes functional in about 36 seconds, just like
yesterday about three minutes after bootup. As stated above, it has been at
least 10 hours since bootup.

BTW Excel always pops up within 2 or 3 seconds, so everything in Office
isn't a slug.

I have garbage in my control panel add/delete list that I cannot add/delete
such as
SurfMonkey (whatever that is)
Borland C++ which was removed years ago

I'm not on a network.

I don't use Norton.

I had an earlier version of Office that I upgraded ~2 yrs ago because Word
was unbearably slow. It obviously didn't help to upgrade.

I have turned off just about everything in msconfig that I can without
locking up the OS.

Suzanne Barnhill chided me for messing with the registry without direction
to do so, but the addition of a startup path has apparently not affected
performance. The StartupProblems htm at least implied to me that the path
should be in the registry so I put it in. I will take it back out after I
send this message to you.

My wife says I'm nuts to pursue this problem so doggedly, but after putting
up with lousy Word performance so long I've just decided to see if I can
finally get what I paid for.

Hi Jerry,

Word should not be taking 60 seconds to load.

It's interesting that Word will load correctly immediately after
rebooting. This makes me think MS Office Fast Search could be the
problem. Contrary to what they say there is nothing 'fast' about it.
<g> It's recommended it be turned off. Here is a KB article containing
instructions on how to disable it:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q282107

If that isn't the problem, you are not on a network, you aren't using
Norton, and your Startup folders are empty then finding the culprit
more than likely will be a process of elimination:

- Did Word come installed as part of Works Suite? If so then the
"Microsoft Works Suite Add-in for Word" could be the cause. Check
Add/Remove Programs in your Control Panel and the if the Works Add-in
for Word is found uninstall it and recreate Normal.dot.

- Is the response time faster if you start Word using the /a switch?
This by-passes your Normal.dot, add-ins, and your custom Registry
preferences.

- Go to Tools/Options/Save and make sure "Prompt to save Normal
template" is turned on. After you Word has recreated Normal.dot and
the new Normal.dot has been saved you should not be prompted to save
changes upon exiting Word. If you are then it should be investigated.

- Go to Tools/Macro/Security, select the Security Level tab if
necessary, and at the bottom see if it reflect "Virus Scanner enabled"

Let us know what you find. :)

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/



My consternation is this:

If I hit the Word Icon as soon as I reboot, I can bring a document up
in about 6 seconds. But if I close Word and bring it back up later or
if I don't load Word until minutes after a reboot, it takes about 40
seconds to load. Something is wrong. Can it be repaired? Should I
expect better performance?
 
B

Beth Melton

Hi Jerry,

If you have checked and rechecked Normal.dot, add-ins, macros (which
if you recreated Normal.dot you shouldn't have any),
Speech/Handwriting Recognition, not on a network, etc. then I'd say
you have ruled out every possibility I can think of.

FWIW, I have used Word 97 and Word 2000 on a Windows 98 box for a
couple years and I never encountered a delay in starting Word.

The new Normal.dot bit still intrigues me. If Normal.dot is present
then Word will load Normal.dot as a global add-in, not listed in the
Templates and Add-ins dialog box, but it is 'opening and loading'
Normal.dot when it starts. That makes me think another application
could be monitoring the opening/closing of files and in turn is
causing the delay.

You noted you disabled everything that is non-essential in MsConfig,
but that doesn't necessarily cover all running processes.
Unfortunately since you use Windows 98 you are unable to display all
Processes in your Task Manager. Perhaps there is a utility available
that will do this??

What virus scanner do you use? Have you tried disabling it?

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/




Explorer verifies that the only file named normal.dot is in my
templates directory.

Word verifies that there are no global templates and addins.

My Word and Office Startup Directories are empty.

The Attached Template is 'Normal' for the document I pull up.

The com add-in command on my toolbar verifies that there is nothing
there.

Immediately after bootup Word will load and pull in a modest document
within 10 seconds or so. If I hurry, I can close word and reopen it a
second time in about 10 seconds.

But if I boot and do nothing else for 5 minutes, it then takes Word ab
out 45 seconds to load and pull in the doc.

If I erase normal.dot before I load Word, the app loads really fast,
but then it spends a long time recreating normal.dot when I exit.

If I modify normal.dot, this does nothing to improve performance, but
I am able to modify normal.dot, and any changes function as intended.

I realize that this is ridiculous, but all evidence leads me to
believe that my W98 Operating System 'goes stale' after about 5
minutes and cannot load any version of Word efficiently after that
time, even if no other applications are used in that initial 5
minutes. I have eliminated everything that is not vital in msconfig
and the same behavior manifests itself. The 'stale OS' hypothesis is
corroborated by the fact that I had the same sluggishness problem with
an earlier version of Word in Office 98?? on this computer, which I
replaced with Office XP to no avail. It was precisely that problem
that prompted me to uninstall the earlier version of Office and
install this one. I do not recall whether Word ever worked properly
on this computer. The computer is about 4.5 years old, as evidenced
by the date on the C:\My Documents directory - 1/7/99. I purchased
the computer new. All other applications, including Office
applications (Excel, Powerpoint) function about as well as they do on
other computers.

Should I now pursue the problem in some I've-Got-a-Flaky-OS Newsgroup
based on my tentative conclusion that, "It's not Word's fault - its
Windows."

This reminds me of an incident 25 years ago when I ran a branch office
in Dallas for a Cincinnati-based organization. The home office
decided we needed to put a modem on our IBM word processor, so I
purchased the IBM-specified modem from Harvey Hubbell (the only
provider) in Chicago. Then IBM came in and attached the modem to the
machine, but required me to get the phone company to plug it into the
phone jack. Of course the thing wouldn't work at first, and every
time the IBM rep looked at the problem he blamed the phone company.
Every time the phone company rep looked at the situation, he blamed
IBM. Finally I got both reps in the same room and guess what. They
blamed Harvey Hubbell. I sent the modem back to Chicago and guess
what. Nothing was wrong with the modem. Eventually I got IBM and the
phone company together in the same room and told them not to leave
until the thing was working. They finally got it to work, but neither
rep would admit whose fault it was that it wouldn't work from the
start. IBM sent me a bill for several hundred dollars, which I told
the home office not to pay. Since the phone company refused to admit
any fault, I had to assume it was IBM to blame.

At least this time we know it's Microsoft to blame, but we also know
that they won't fix it. They'll just suggest an 'upgrade'. Ain't
monopoly wonderful?
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

FWIW, I find that Norton AntiVirus does not adversely affect Word (or
anything else) provided I leave the Office Plug-in disabled. I've been
pleased with the ease of downloading updates automatically, etc. A lot of
people complain about NAV and recommend other AV apps, but I'm not
dissatisfied with NAV, so I see no reason to change.

As for McAfee, I did have that on a previous system and recall mostly that I
never did understand how to use it. My husband installed McAfee Office on
his system, later uninstalled it, and modified the text on the box, which
says "The All-In-One Solution to Protect, Secure, Optimize, and Repair Your
PC," crossing out "Protect, Secure, Optimize, and Repair" and writing in
"F**k Up." You may judge from that that he wasn't very happy with it!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

BINGO!!

I just now disabled my OnTrack FixIt Utilities 4.0 virus scanner, and now
Word loads in less than 5 seconds. So it looks like Norton is not the only
virus scanner that interferes with Word.

I used McAfee until about a year and a half ago and now I don't remember why
I changed I was experiencing some kind of performance problem with the
computer, and a friend of mine recommended the product, which I subsequently
purchased at a local computer store. It surprises me that I never made the
mental correlation of Word performance deterioration with the new virus
scanner, except that at the time I tended to use this computer more for CAD,
spreadsheet work, and internet connection than for Word Processing.

Thank you so much for hanging in there to a successful diagnosis. Now I
need to find out how I can have functional Word AND virus protection.

Regards,

Jerry Isaacs



Hi Jerry,

If you have checked and rechecked Normal.dot, add-ins, macros (which
if you recreated Normal.dot you shouldn't have any),
Speech/Handwriting Recognition, not on a network, etc. then I'd say
you have ruled out every possibility I can think of.

FWIW, I have used Word 97 and Word 2000 on a Windows 98 box for a
couple years and I never encountered a delay in starting Word.

The new Normal.dot bit still intrigues me. If Normal.dot is present
then Word will load Normal.dot as a global add-in, not listed in the
Templates and Add-ins dialog box, but it is 'opening and loading'
Normal.dot when it starts. That makes me think another application
could be monitoring the opening/closing of files and in turn is
causing the delay.

You noted you disabled everything that is non-essential in MsConfig,
but that doesn't necessarily cover all running processes.
Unfortunately since you use Windows 98 you are unable to display all
Processes in your Task Manager. Perhaps there is a utility available
that will do this??

What virus scanner do you use? Have you tried disabling it?

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/




Explorer verifies that the only file named normal.dot is in my
templates directory.

Word verifies that there are no global templates and addins.

My Word and Office Startup Directories are empty.

The Attached Template is 'Normal' for the document I pull up.

The com add-in command on my toolbar verifies that there is nothing
there.

Immediately after bootup Word will load and pull in a modest document
within 10 seconds or so. If I hurry, I can close word and reopen it a
second time in about 10 seconds.

But if I boot and do nothing else for 5 minutes, it then takes Word ab
out 45 seconds to load and pull in the doc.

If I erase normal.dot before I load Word, the app loads really fast,
but then it spends a long time recreating normal.dot when I exit.

If I modify normal.dot, this does nothing to improve performance, but
I am able to modify normal.dot, and any changes function as intended.

I realize that this is ridiculous, but all evidence leads me to
believe that my W98 Operating System 'goes stale' after about 5
minutes and cannot load any version of Word efficiently after that
time, even if no other applications are used in that initial 5
minutes. I have eliminated everything that is not vital in msconfig
and the same behavior manifests itself. The 'stale OS' hypothesis is
corroborated by the fact that I had the same sluggishness problem with
an earlier version of Word in Office 98?? on this computer, which I
replaced with Office XP to no avail. It was precisely that problem
that prompted me to uninstall the earlier version of Office and
install this one. I do not recall whether Word ever worked properly
on this computer. The computer is about 4.5 years old, as evidenced
by the date on the C:\My Documents directory - 1/7/99. I purchased
the computer new. All other applications, including Office
applications (Excel, Powerpoint) function about as well as they do on
other computers.

Should I now pursue the problem in some I've-Got-a-Flaky-OS Newsgroup
based on my tentative conclusion that, "It's not Word's fault - its
Windows."

This reminds me of an incident 25 years ago when I ran a branch office
in Dallas for a Cincinnati-based organization. The home office
decided we needed to put a modem on our IBM word processor, so I
purchased the IBM-specified modem from Harvey Hubbell (the only
provider) in Chicago. Then IBM came in and attached the modem to the
machine, but required me to get the phone company to plug it into the
phone jack. Of course the thing wouldn't work at first, and every
time the IBM rep looked at the problem he blamed the phone company.
Every time the phone company rep looked at the situation, he blamed
IBM. Finally I got both reps in the same room and guess what. They
blamed Harvey Hubbell. I sent the modem back to Chicago and guess
what. Nothing was wrong with the modem. Eventually I got IBM and the
phone company together in the same room and told them not to leave
until the thing was working. They finally got it to work, but neither
rep would admit whose fault it was that it wouldn't work from the
start. IBM sent me a bill for several hundred dollars, which I told
the home office not to pay. Since the phone company refused to admit
any fault, I had to assume it was IBM to blame.

At least this time we know it's Microsoft to blame, but we also know
that they won't fix it. They'll just suggest an 'upgrade'. Ain't
monopoly wonderful?
 
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Beth Melton

Wonderful! Glad to help you resolve this nuisance. :)

Just to add my voice to Suzanne's, I use Norton as well and as long as
I don't use the "Office Plug-in" option there is no problem. Of course
I tend to leave it enabled so I can keep myself educated on the
problems it causes. <g>

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

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BINGO!!

I just now disabled my OnTrack FixIt Utilities 4.0 virus scanner, and
now Word loads in less than 5 seconds. So it looks like Norton is not
the only virus scanner that interferes with Word.

I used McAfee until about a year and a half ago and now I don't
remember why I changed I was experiencing some kind of performance
problem with the computer, and a friend of mine recommended the
product, which I subsequently purchased at a local computer store. It
surprises me that I never made the mental correlation of Word
performance deterioration with the new virus scanner, except that at
the time I tended to use this computer more for CAD, spreadsheet work,
and internet connection than for Word Processing.

Thank you so much for hanging in there to a successful diagnosis. Now
I need to find out how I can have functional Word AND virus
protection.

Regards,

Jerry Isaacs



What virus scanner do you use? Have you tried disabling it?
 
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