Special effects on page enter

D

DavidF

The link you provided shows 28 different code snippets...you could have been
a bit more specific, but my answer is the same.

Just try inserting the portion that is supposed to go into the head section
using the insert html code fragment, anywhere on the page that is out of the
way, and try it anyway. Many times it will work in spite of what is said. If
it doesn't then keep looking and trying other snippets until you find one
that works.

Also, keep in mind the KISS philosophy. Just because you can do something
with a web page doesn't mean you should. If it slows the loading of the page
and offers no functional advantage to the user, then question whether to add
bells and whistles. Just something to think about...

DavidF
 
K

klunk42

I tried posting it many ways but it still doesn't show under the preview
site. I have been searching the internet and everything says head
 
D

DavidF

Then I guess you are out of luck. You can't directly access the head via the
Publisher publication. And as you still didn't tell me which of the 28
scripts you were trying to install, I can't make any recommendations. Sorry.

DavidF
 
M

MIchaeldane

David;

Try this trick. In any version of Publisher go to tools, web page options
and in the keywords box put you code. When published it will appear in the
head section.
 
M

Mike Koewler

Novel idea, but keywords are a meta tag, which browsers interpret
different from a script tag.

Have you tried this method?

Mike
 
K

klunk42

Sorry. I was trying the random one

MIchaeldane said:
David;

Try this trick. In any version of Publisher go to tools, web page options
and in the keywords box put you code. When published it will appear in the
head section.
 
K

klunk42

I tried it but nothing in the preview site worked and my other web site won't
allow "characters" . I just liked the appearance of that code and wanted to
do something to make my site more "alive'. wITHOUT TOO MANY CLIPS
 
D

DavidF

OK, I think I see the one you were talking about: "Special Effects upon Page
Enter IE5+"

Sorry, but I don't have any alternative code to offer. Because of the way
the Publisher code is written, you might have a hard time finding something
that is going to affect the whole page like this script does.

Now, I do understand wanting to punch up your site, and make your site more
"alive", but you need to be careful. Don't loose site of the goal for your
website. If your website is just a family entertainment, or a play site then
add all the bells and whistles that you want. If it is to present a web
presence to the world about a business or something important, then avoid
the bells and whistles. If the latter, keep it clean and dazzle me with your
content, not special effects. Make your navigation easy...your pages load as
quickly as possible...lots of white space so I can easily spot the important
content, etc.

Arguably the most effective web page on the internet is Google....how many
special effects does that page have?

And, one more comment. Did you notice that the code you were trying to use
will only work in IE? What if I am not using IE to look at your page? There
are an increasing number of people that are using FireFox, Opera and other
browsers. So if you had succeeded in getting this snippet to work, only
those people that use IE would see the effect...and possibly, break the page
for other browsers.

Don't mistake my intent here. I am not saying that you shouldn't work to
make your pages as attractive as possible, that you shouldn't personalize
your site, or that you shouldn't add any "special effects". Heck, when I
discovered that I could use the insert html code fragment tool to insert
javascript, I went crazy experimenting with all the free code out there. But
eventually I backed off most of it. I am just cautioning you about falling
into the trap I did and many people do...adding so many bells and whistles,
that you can't see the forest for the trees...and forgetting the goal of the
website.

I am not an expert web designer (or I wouldn't be using Publisher), so you
can take all this with a grain of salt, but here is one of the websites that
changed my attitude about design, that you might find interesting:
http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/

Good luck...DavidF
 
D

DavidF

Thanks for the suggestion. Even though it appears it won't work in this
case, you are correct...it does access the head section directly from
Publisher.

DavidF
 
K

klunk42

I have a website www.valleycandles.com It was create with GoDaddys. website
design and it was easy to build but I can't do anything extra with it. I am
building a new site and using a free trial version of pub 2007. I have untill
jan 2008 to buy. I tried dreamweaver trial but it was so complex I gave up.
And it would be expensive to purchase. Am I just too cheap? Maybe I'll try
Web expressions free trial. Can I install that code in the heading on WE's
deign? I can do a little html but I need the basic format. ?? help!
 
M

MIchaeldane

Mike;

Before I switched from using Publisher I tried it with some small scripts
and it worked, not sure about larger scripts.
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

You will find Publisher created sites very limiting.

You will find that what you designed in GoDaddy's webdesigner or Publisher
are not convertable to normal html/css webs...iow you will have to redo them
to grow beyond basic.

Learn it now or learn it later.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





|I have a website www.valleycandles.com It was create with GoDaddys.
website
| design and it was easy to build but I can't do anything extra with it. I
am
| building a new site and using a free trial version of pub 2007. I have
untill
| jan 2008 to buy. I tried dreamweaver trial but it was so complex I gave
up.
| And it would be expensive to purchase. Am I just too cheap? Maybe I'll
try
| Web expressions free trial. Can I install that code in the heading on
WE's
| deign? I can do a little html but I need the basic format. ?? help!
|
| "klunk42" wrote:
|
| > I tried it but nothing in the preview site worked and my other web site
won't
| > allow "characters" . I just liked the appearance of that code and wanted
to
| > do something to make my site more "alive'. wITHOUT TOO MANY CLIPS
| >
| > "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| >
| > > Novel idea, but keywords are a meta tag, which browsers interpret
| > > different from a script tag.
| > >
| > > Have you tried this method?
| > >
| > > Mike
| > >
| > > MIchaeldane wrote:
| > > > David;
| > > >
| > > > Try this trick. In any version of Publisher go to tools, web page
options
| > > > and in the keywords box put you code. When published it will appear
in the
| > > > head section.
| > > >
| > > > "DavidF" wrote:
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >>Then I guess you are out of luck. You can't directly access the head
via the
| > > >>Publisher publication. And as you still didn't tell me which of the
28
| > > >>scripts you were trying to install, I can't make any
recommendations. Sorry.
| > > >>
| > > >>DavidF
| > > >>
| > > >>
| > > >>| > > >>
| > > >>>I tried posting it many ways but it still doesn't show under the
preview
| > > >>>site. I have been searching the internet and everything says head
| > > >>>
| > > >>>"DavidF" wrote:
| > > >>>
| > > >>>
| > > >>>>The link you provided shows 28 different code snippets...you could
have
| > > >>>>been
| > > >>>>a bit more specific, but my answer is the same.
| > > >>>>
| > > >>>>Just try inserting the portion that is supposed to go into the
head
| > > >>>>section
| > > >>>>using the insert html code fragment, anywhere on the page that is
out of
| > > >>>>the
| > > >>>>way, and try it anyway. Many times it will work in spite of what
is said.
| > > >>>>If
| > > >>>>it doesn't then keep looking and trying other snippets until you
find one
| > > >>>>that works.
| > > >>>>
| > > >>>>Also, keep in mind the KISS philosophy. Just because you can do
something
| > > >>>>with a web page doesn't mean you should. If it slows the loading
of the
| > > >>>>page
| > > >>>>and offers no functional advantage to the user, then question
whether to
| > > >>>>add
| > > >>>>bells and whistles. Just something to think about...
| > > >>>>
| > > >>>>DavidF
| > > >>>>
| > > >>>>| > > >>>>
| > > >>>>>I would like to insert special effects into web site but this
program
| > > >>>>>requires inserting into head. With Pub 2007 you can't do it. Is
there
| > > >>>>>anyway it can be put in or some other similar effect?
| > > >>>>>http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex3/index.html Thank you
Mike
| > > >>>>
| > > >>>>
| > > >>>>
| > > >>>>
| > > >>
| > > >>
| > >
 
K

klunk42

I have 2 websites. one for my wife (www.valleycandles.com) that is currently
online but needs lots of work and one for myself selling trailer building
parts and kits. The trailer one is the one I am building with pub 2007. I
will be selling about 150 to 200 different items in about 10 categories. Is
pub 2007 the best or is there a better one thats not too complex.
Dreamweaver is tough. Front page and web expression are tough as well. I
just downloaded trial version of WE so I will play with that for a couple
weeks. i also downloaded Webeasy 7 and web plus 6 to try. For the
products I am going to sell which one should I go with keeping in mind the
long term growth and updated versions and support. My godaddy designer is
gone. they didn't make an updated version so it's junk.
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

imo... Dreamweaver or Expression Web.

FrontPage may be a good place to start as long as you don't rely on webots
and some other stuff that produce non-compliant code, however FP is in it's
sunset - it's been replaced by EW but support will continue for years yet.

Publisher web's may be easy, but....limited.

I may be over near your hood later today - by PV high school.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





|I have 2 websites. one for my wife (www.valleycandles.com) that is
currently
| online but needs lots of work and one for myself selling trailer building
| parts and kits. The trailer one is the one I am building with pub 2007. I
| will be selling about 150 to 200 different items in about 10 categories.
Is
| pub 2007 the best or is there a better one thats not too complex.
| Dreamweaver is tough. Front page and web expression are tough as well.
I
| just downloaded trial version of WE so I will play with that for a couple
| weeks. i also downloaded Webeasy 7 and web plus 6 to try. For the
| products I am going to sell which one should I go with keeping in mind
the
| long term growth and updated versions and support. My godaddy designer is
| gone. they didn't make an updated version so it's junk.
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > You will find Publisher created sites very limiting.
| >
| > You will find that what you designed in GoDaddy's webdesigner or
Publisher
| > are not convertable to normal html/css webs...iow you will have to redo
them
| > to grow beyond basic.
| >
| > Learn it now or learn it later.
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > Rob Giordano
| > Microsoft MVP Expression
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > |I have a website www.valleycandles.com It was create with GoDaddys.
| > website
| > | design and it was easy to build but I can't do anything extra with it.
I
| > am
| > | building a new site and using a free trial version of pub 2007. I have
| > untill
| > | jan 2008 to buy. I tried dreamweaver trial but it was so complex I
gave
| > up.
| > | And it would be expensive to purchase. Am I just too cheap? Maybe
I'll
| > try
| > | Web expressions free trial. Can I install that code in the heading on
| > WE's
| > | deign? I can do a little html but I need the basic format. ?? help!
| > |
| > | "klunk42" wrote:
| > |
| > | > I tried it but nothing in the preview site worked and my other web
site
| > won't
| > | > allow "characters" . I just liked the appearance of that code and
wanted
| > to
| > | > do something to make my site more "alive'. wITHOUT TOO MANY CLIPS
| > | >
| > | > "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| > | >
| > | > > Novel idea, but keywords are a meta tag, which browsers interpret
| > | > > different from a script tag.
| > | > >
| > | > > Have you tried this method?
| > | > >
| > | > > Mike
| > | > >
| > | > > MIchaeldane wrote:
| > | > > > David;
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Try this trick. In any version of Publisher go to tools, web
page
| > options
| > | > > > and in the keywords box put you code. When published it will
appear
| > in the
| > | > > > head section.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > "DavidF" wrote:
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > > >>Then I guess you are out of luck. You can't directly access the
head
| > via the
| > | > > >>Publisher publication. And as you still didn't tell me which of
the
| > 28
| > | > > >>scripts you were trying to install, I can't make any
| > recommendations. Sorry.
| > | > > >>
| > | > > >>DavidF
| > | > > >>
| > | > > >>
| > | > > >>| > | > > >>
| > | > > >>>I tried posting it many ways but it still doesn't show under
the
| > preview
| > | > > >>>site. I have been searching the internet and everything says
head
| > | > > >>>
| > | > > >>>"DavidF" wrote:
| > | > > >>>
| > | > > >>>
| > | > > >>>>The link you provided shows 28 different code snippets...you
could
| > have
| > | > > >>>>been
| > | > > >>>>a bit more specific, but my answer is the same.
| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>>>Just try inserting the portion that is supposed to go into the
| > head
| > | > > >>>>section
| > | > > >>>>using the insert html code fragment, anywhere on the page that
is
| > out of
| > | > > >>>>the
| > | > > >>>>way, and try it anyway. Many times it will work in spite of
what
| > is said.
| > | > > >>>>If
| > | > > >>>>it doesn't then keep looking and trying other snippets until
you
| > find one
| > | > > >>>>that works.
| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>>>Also, keep in mind the KISS philosophy. Just because you can
do
| > something
| > | > > >>>>with a web page doesn't mean you should. If it slows the
loading
| > of the
| > | > > >>>>page
| > | > > >>>>and offers no functional advantage to the user, then question
| > whether to
| > | > > >>>>add
| > | > > >>>>bells and whistles. Just something to think about...
| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>>>DavidF
| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>>>| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>>>>I would like to insert special effects into web site but this
| > program
| > | > > >>>>>requires inserting into head. With Pub 2007 you can't do it.
Is
| > there
| > | > > >>>>>anyway it can be put in or some other similar effect?
| > | > > >>>>>http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex3/index.html Thank
you
| > Mike
| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>>>
| > | > > >>
| > | > > >>
| > | > >
| >
| >
| >
 
K

klunk42

I live 1/2 mile away. My kids went there. I'm thinking free trial of
WE. If good, buy FP 2003 and upgrade to WE 2007 I just don't want to spend
$300. I guess I'm just cheap.
 
M

Mike Koewler

Klunk,

Allow me to suggest you look at WebPlus from Serif. They offer a free
download of an old version (four versions earlier) but trust me, it is
what you need. If you download the free version, within a few weeks, you
will get an offer to upgrade it for about $40.

In your case, you can attach code to the <head> without any effort. You
can add a form, e-commerce page, whatever you want. It has a great
support forum, so if you have a problem, there is always a couple of
users around to answer it, almost 24/7.

<elucidation> I don't post here to promote Serif software. I use it, but
do not have any stock in the company, nor get any reward if someone buys
a program. However, when I hear that someone is thinking about spending
a couple two-three hundred dollars and then have to learn a new program,
my advice is as I have posted. WP is much like Pub as far as how objects
are placed on a page, so it is a very, very short learning curve. IF,
and that is an all caps IF, you are going to get a different program to
create web pages, consider WebPlus. </elucidation>

Mike
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

You don't have to spend 300.00.
You can still find FP2003 new for cheap.
Or you can just buy EW for 99.00 (trust me)...try the trial first though.
There's more to learn with EW but you will be better off in the long run.

---
That Hawaiian shaved ice stand is my favorite stop off whenever I am over
that way. :)



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





|
| I live 1/2 mile away. My kids went there. I'm thinking free trial of
| WE. If good, buy FP 2003 and upgrade to WE 2007 I just don't want to
spend
| $300. I guess I'm just cheap.
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > imo... Dreamweaver or Expression Web.
| >
| > FrontPage may be a good place to start as long as you don't rely on
webots
| > and some other stuff that produce non-compliant code, however FP is in
it's
| > sunset - it's been replaced by EW but support will continue for years
yet.
| >
| > Publisher web's may be easy, but....limited.
| >
| > I may be over near your hood later today - by PV high school.
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > Rob Giordano
| > Microsoft MVP Expression
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > |I have 2 websites. one for my wife (www.valleycandles.com) that is
| > currently
| > | online but needs lots of work and one for myself selling trailer
building
| > | parts and kits. The trailer one is the one I am building with pub
2007. I
| > | will be selling about 150 to 200 different items in about 10
categories.
| > Is
| > | pub 2007 the best or is there a better one thats not too complex.
| > | Dreamweaver is tough. Front page and web expression are tough as
well.
| > I
| > | just downloaded trial version of WE so I will play with that for a
couple
| > | weeks. i also downloaded Webeasy 7 and web plus 6 to try. For the
| > | products I am going to sell which one should I go with keeping in
mind
| > the
| > | long term growth and updated versions and support. My godaddy
designer is
| > | gone. they didn't make an updated version so it's junk.
| > |
| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > |
| > | > You will find Publisher created sites very limiting.
| > | >
| > | > You will find that what you designed in GoDaddy's webdesigner or
| > Publisher
| > | > are not convertable to normal html/css webs...iow you will have to
redo
| > them
| > | > to grow beyond basic.
| > | >
| > | > Learn it now or learn it later.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > | > Rob Giordano
| > | > Microsoft MVP Expression
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > |I have a website www.valleycandles.com It was create with
GoDaddys.
| > | > website
| > | > | design and it was easy to build but I can't do anything extra with
it.
| > I
| > | > am
| > | > | building a new site and using a free trial version of pub 2007. I
have
| > | > untill
| > | > | jan 2008 to buy. I tried dreamweaver trial but it was so complex I
| > gave
| > | > up.
| > | > | And it would be expensive to purchase. Am I just too cheap?
Maybe
| > I'll
| > | > try
| > | > | Web expressions free trial. Can I install that code in the
heading on
| > | > WE's
| > | > | deign? I can do a little html but I need the basic format. ??
help!
| > | > |
| > | > | "klunk42" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > I tried it but nothing in the preview site worked and my other
web
| > site
| > | > won't
| > | > | > allow "characters" . I just liked the appearance of that code
and
| > wanted
| > | > to
| > | > | > do something to make my site more "alive'. wITHOUT TOO MANY
CLIPS
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > > Novel idea, but keywords are a meta tag, which browsers
interpret
| > | > | > > different from a script tag.
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > Have you tried this method?
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > Mike
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > MIchaeldane wrote:
| > | > | > > > David;
| > | > | > > >
| > | > | > > > Try this trick. In any version of Publisher go to tools,
web
| > page
| > | > options
| > | > | > > > and in the keywords box put you code. When published it
will
| > appear
| > | > in the
| > | > | > > > head section.
| > | > | > > >
| > | > | > > > "DavidF" wrote:
| > | > | > > >
| > | > | > > >
| > | > | > > >>Then I guess you are out of luck. You can't directly access
the
| > head
| > | > via the
| > | > | > > >>Publisher publication. And as you still didn't tell me which
of
| > the
| > | > 28
| > | > | > > >>scripts you were trying to install, I can't make any
| > | > recommendations. Sorry.
| > | > | > > >>
| > | > | > > >>DavidF
| > | > | > > >>
| > | > | > > >>
message
| > | > | > > >>| > | > | > > >>
| > | > | > > >>>I tried posting it many ways but it still doesn't show
under
| > the
| > | > preview
| > | > | > > >>>site. I have been searching the internet and everything
says
| > head
| > | > | > > >>>
| > | > | > > >>>"DavidF" wrote:
| > | > | > > >>>
| > | > | > > >>>
| > | > | > > >>>>The link you provided shows 28 different code
snippets...you
| > could
| > | > have
| > | > | > > >>>>been
| > | > | > > >>>>a bit more specific, but my answer is the same.
| > | > | > > >>>>
| > | > | > > >>>>Just try inserting the portion that is supposed to go into
the
| > | > head
| > | > | > > >>>>section
| > | > | > > >>>>using the insert html code fragment, anywhere on the page
that
| > is
| > | > out of
| > | > | > > >>>>the
| > | > | > > >>>>way, and try it anyway. Many times it will work in spite
of
| > what
| > | > is said.
| > | > | > > >>>>If
| > | > | > > >>>>it doesn't then keep looking and trying other snippets
until
| > you
| > | > find one
| > | > | > > >>>>that works.
| > | > | > > >>>>
| > | > | > > >>>>Also, keep in mind the KISS philosophy. Just because you
can
| > do
| > | > something
| > | > | > > >>>>with a web page doesn't mean you should. If it slows the
| > loading
| > | > of the
| > | > | > > >>>>page
| > | > | > > >>>>and offers no functional advantage to the user, then
question
| > | > whether to
| > | > | > > >>>>add
| > | > | > > >>>>bells and whistles. Just something to think about...
| > | > | > > >>>>
| > | > | > > >>>>DavidF
| > | > | > > >>>>
message
| > | > | > > >>>>| > | > | > > >>>>
| > | > | > > >>>>>I would like to insert special effects into web site but
this
| > | > program
| > | > | > > >>>>>requires inserting into head. With Pub 2007 you can't do
it.
| > Is
| > | > there
| > | > | > > >>>>>anyway it can be put in or some other similar effect?
| > | > | > > >>>>>http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex3/index.html
Thank
| > you
| > | > Mike
| > | > | > > >>>>
| > | > | > > >>>>
| > | > | > > >>>>
| > | > | > > >>>>
| > | > | > > >>
| > | > | > > >>
| > | > | > >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >
 
T

Tish

Just wanted to insert a comment that it is discussions like this that bring
our community together. Although not touching on my specific problem that
brought me here today, it's a wonderful example of how helpful and
knowledgeable people share here. In this spirit I'm remembering I need to
find a spot where my way of saying thank you to the community is to help
someone else. Thank you for reminding me of that with this xlnt discussion
and for reminding me of KISS.
 

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