Style won't follow command

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paul

I've been using a style with 10 point text. When I
changed to office xp, it changed on it's own to 12
point. I can't get it to go back even after changing the
template. Can you help me? Thanx, paul.
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

How did you change it in the template?

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Suzanne S. Barnhill

Did you save the template?

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paul gallanter

Yes, I saved the template.

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Did you save the template?

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Suzanne S. Barnhill

And when you create a new document based on this template, the style is
still 12-point? You are aware that changing the style in the template will
not change it in existing documents?

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paul gallanter

The style in the template remains 10 points and new
document remain 10 points. I've been told by other MVP's
that documents never really disconect from the template
and differences may affect the current documat. I'm not
clear about this but I practice keeping the parameters
the same.

Maybe telling you different sypmtom will help. When I
open the document doing the 10, 12 shift. I change one
line from 10 to 12 and the rest of the document shifts to
10. It stays that way until I close and reopen.

Thanx
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

I doubt that you have "been told by other MVP's that documents never really
disconect from the template" because this is absolutely not true. When you
create a document, you cut the umbilical cord between the template and
document as far as formatting is concerned, although you still have access
to macros, toolbars, and AutoText in the template. You can modify the styles
in the document without affecting the template (unless you check the "Add to
template" box) and in the template without affecting the document *unless*
you reattach the template with the "Automatically update document styles"
box checked. Even this affects only styles; other formatting (margins, page
orientation, header/footer, etc.) are not propagated to the document. In
order to transmit such template changes to a document you have to create a
new document based on the template and insert the old document in it.

For what may be happening with the 10/12 shift, see these articles:

http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Formatting/WholeDocumentReformatted.htm
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/styles/FormatOfTextChanges.html

That is, if any direct formatting has been applied to a paragraph and you
modify and update the style, it may be that the formatting of paragraphs
with direct formatting will flip-flop.

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Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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paul gallanter

Thank you for you help. However, I can't fail to notice
you have been difficult all along and then told me I lied
to you. You're right I did. Only one MVP told me that
templates do not make a clean break from documents. He
told me to look at the view in visual basic to confim
this. I am not hear to justify my thinking I'm reading
and believing I'm understand English to you. I will use
these sights again. I hope to find you in a civil mood.
 
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Charles Kenyon

Mr. Gallanter,

Suzanne Barnhill is one of the most patient people I've encountered on
newsgroups. She didn't tell you that you lied. She told you she doubted what
you told her. You confirmed that her doubts were well founded. Advice given
here is given by volunteers who do not work for Microsoft. No one pays for
the advice given here, especially not you.

The reason expert advice may seem difficult is that Word, itself, is very
complex. Sometimes it is necessary to ask "Is it plugged in?" or the
equivalent. When someone chooses to modify a template the way you are,
asking whether you saved the template is very appropriate.

Another method you might try is directly opening the template (File =>
Open). Make your style modifications, save and exit the template. If that
doesn't fix the problem (in new documents based on the template) you have
someone malicious messing with your system. (Possibly a well-meaning network
administrator.)

I suspect, from your symptoms, that your template is _not_ being saved after
you make your changes or is being replaced when you restart Word or restart
your computer. Try finding the template in Windows (with Word closed). Check
the modified date in file properties. If it has been changed, see what
happens if you shut down your computer and restart. If it is being replaced,
talk with your network administrator.

If that doesn't work, try opening your normal.dot and using Save As to save
it under a different name. Base new documents on that template (File =>
New).

Hope this helps.

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Word New User FAQ & Web Directory:
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Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide)
<URL: http://addbalance.com/usersguide/index.htm>

See also the MVP FAQ: <URL: http://www.mvps.org/word/> which is awesome!
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

As Charles has said, I didn't say you lied; I was implying that you had been
misinformed and were therefore operating under a misapprehension. It is true
that templates remain attached to documents, but they do *not* contribute
any new formatting (including style modifications) after the document is
created *unless you reattach the template with "Automatically update
document styles" enabled.*

Since I have no ability in VBA (much less VB), I cannot speak to what may
happen if examine the document using Visual Basic. Apparently I do not have
enough facility in English, either, to get across the principles I have
tried to explain.

It is unfortunate that your question did not attract the attention of MVPs
who are more conversant with all these matters, such as Shauna Kelly,
Margaret Aldis, and Beth Melton. They appear to have taken a well-deserved
Christmas vacation. You might want to reflect that a question posted on
Christmas Eve might not get the same caliber of answers that it might
receive if asked during a non-holiday period.
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
 
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paul gallanter

Thank you for the attention and time it took to reply to
both the original problem and the address that ensued.
Perhaps you're right. It was with misunderstanding that
I accused. When I did road service for OSI, I often told
the data enty clearks calling to turn over the teminal
power plug. I knew it was a grounded plug and could not
be repositioned. I often got the response, "Thank you
that fixed it."

Best, paul
 
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paul gallanter

I was not questioning your ability or understanding, only
your demeaner. I find I was wrong. I am sorry.

Thank you for your help, paul
 
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