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MikeR

One of the more frequent requests I see is "How to protect a page/site?".
I'm thinking of writing a wizard to generate a logon form, and both a database based
(Access) and non-database ASP check script, plus database admin pages.

1)Y'all see any usage for this?
2)More importantly, what's my liability? (besides being old and fat....)
OK to contact me off list.
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Randy Morgan

Personally, I think it would be a very popular wizard. You can reduce
or eliminate your liability with the right disclaimer.

While you're at it, you might want to write a wizard to keep people from
downloading images, too :)

Randy Morgan
 
M

Murray

See below -

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MikeR said:
One of the more frequent requests I see is "How to protect a page/site?".
I'm thinking of writing a wizard to generate a logon form, and both a
database based (Access) and non-database ASP check script, plus database
admin pages.

1)Y'all see any usage for this?
Sure.

2)More importantly, what's my liability?
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None that I can see. Caveat emptor, and all that.
(besides being old and fat....)
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That could be a problem, but you'd have to go some not to be a
whippersnapper to me..... 8)
 
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Steve Easton

Not to dampen your enthusiasm, but there are already several solutions out there.

If by "protecting page/site" you mean all of those posts about protecting images and such,
it's a plain and simple fact, it can't be done.

If the content is displayed in the browser, it's already saved to the visitors machine.

When you right click an image and select "Save As," the computer does not download the
image from the server,
it saves the copy from the cache files to the new location on the machine.


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Randy Morgan

I know. I was trying to make a little joke, but I guess it didn't
translate too well...
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

What are you planning do for those hosted on Unix/Linux where Access can't be used and the norm is
PHP / MySql?

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M

MikeR

Thanks Randy -
You cannot, of course, prevent anyone from downloading images.
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MikeR

Hi Steve -
I've seen some sites offering instructions and code, but no wizard. Google hasn't turned
up anything. You know of a specific site?
What I have in mind is to produce a logon to a page or pages.
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Thomas A. Rowe

That why an Add-in is not really all that helpful.

There are a couple of ASP Login Addin available

Page Protect from Websunlimited.com
and I think another is called Spooky Login or something like that.

The issue I see with standalone Login Scripts, is that they need to be tied to other function within
the site, or they become somewhat useless on their own.

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MikeR

Thomas -
I meant a stand-alone wizard, not an add-in. I wasn't aware of those you listed, thanks
for the heads up. The world probably doesn't need another then, even a freebie.

I don't understand your comment about "standalone login scripts". A field validation
script is pretty useless too, unless there is a form field to validate. Does that mean no
one should write such a script?

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Thomas A. Rowe

MikeR,

What I meant is that is seem pretty useless to have login script just to have access to content
without also having functional user management application along with it, such as sign up process,
as well as the ability to approve users and/or deletion users. Users should have the ability to
modify their profile, etc.

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MikeR

Thomas -

Ok, sure, that makes sense now.
I really wasn't looking at an enterprise level of functionality, but more toward someone
who wanted to keep the pix in their family albums out of the xxx newsgroups, or something
like that. For the databaseless one, everybody has the same logon.
For a database based one, the site owner has a set of admin pages, and does the
maintenance. It would be fairly trivial to add functionality to request permission in the
first place, and to allow users to modify their passwords.

What got me thinking, was the number of requests I see for some sort of protection (not
from corporate types), and the answer the posters get in most cases is the
"Tools|Server|Permissions" route, and I think not a lot of ISP's allow this.

Just an alternative.
MikeR 1st
 
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Cheryl D Wise

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MikeR said:
One of the more frequent requests I see is "How to protect a page/site?".
I'm thinking of writing a wizard to generate a logon form, and both a
database based (Access) and non-database ASP check script, plus database
admin pages.

1)Y'all see any usage for this?
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Yes, depending on what you intend to charge. Spooky Login is probably the
most popular protection program so you'd have to be as good and less
expensive.
2)More importantly, what's my liability? (besides being old and fat....)
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Depends on what you put in the terms of use. If it is a free wizard - using
"as is" and if you want, one of the creative commons licenses should absolve
you from legal liability. If you are selling it then you might want to check
with a lawyer on what you can legally disclaim. Usually for commercial
products you can't disclaim an implied warranty of merchantability (aka that
the product if fit for its intended use) but you can limit damages.


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MikeR

Thanks, Cheryl.
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Yes, depending on what you intend to charge. Spooky Login is probably the
most popular protection program so you'd have to be as good and less
expensive.




Depends on what you put in the terms of use. If it is a free wizard - using
"as is" and if you want, one of the creative commons licenses should absolve
you from legal liability. If you are selling it then you might want to check
with a lawyer on what you can legally disclaim. Usually for commercial
products you can't disclaim an implied warranty of merchantability (aka that
the product if fit for its intended use) but you can limit damages.
Click to expand...
 
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