SYNC problem

[minimus]

I keep my ON 2007 files on a usb stick to sync between home and work.
I have a problem:

I make changes at home: like deleting pages, moving pages.
I come work and plug the usb stick and do the sync.
ON correctly updates the pages but it does nor delete the pages I deleted at
home.
That is, ON reintroduces the pages I have deleted at home.

Why? And How can I solve this problem?

 

[Ilya Koulchin]

I make changes at home: like deleting pages, moving pages.
I come work and plug the usb stick and do the sync.
ON correctly updates the pages but it does nor delete the pages I deleted at
home.
That is, ON reintroduces the pages I have deleted at home.

If the page was changed on the computer at work, it will not be deleted
(this prevents losing data in multi-user scenarios when one person types
something on a page while another deletes the page). Make sure that the
page isn't changing on the work computer and it'll stay deleted.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

If the page was changed on the computer at work, it will not be
deleted (this prevents losing data in multi-user scenarios when one
person types something on a page while another deletes the page).
Make sure that the page isn't changing on the work computer and
it'll stay deleted.

Sorry, Ilya, I can not accept this explanation.
What you say in fact would mean a fundamental contradiction to the basic
concepts of OneNote's schemes of synching (in as far as I understood
them).

If one follows what David Rasmussen explained in his article "OneNote
Notebooks on USB drives and SD cards" [1] one has to believe that using
OneNote with an USB-stick does mean the same as using ON from a shared
device.
And this would mean that "synching" would work in *both* directions.

What *you* say here is quite different.
Using an USB-stick would mean a *killing* feature in as far as synching
is concerned.
And it would mean that I would have said a lot of nonsense when
recommending using USB-sticks as a way to work with ON in order to keep
things in synch (which I did very many times in these Newsgroups
(without any contradiction from anybody <!!!>).

It might be that I mistook things.
But I would be really shocked to see that I might have seriously
misunderstood David Rasmussen's article.

Therefore pleeeeease be so kind as to explain a bit more what *you* said
*here* and tell us what might be wrong with David Rasmussen's article.

TIA
Rainald
[1]
http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/david_rasmussen/archive/2006/06/29/650705.aspx

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I keep my ON 2007 files on a usb stick to sync between home and
work.

It seems that you followed my suggestions made in some previous threads
:-( :-(

I have a problem:

I make changes at home: like deleting pages, moving pages.
I come work and plug the usb stick and do the sync.
ON correctly updates the pages but it does nor delete the pages I
deleted at home.
That is, ON reintroduces the pages I have deleted at home.

This should not happen!
The automatic synching of ON means that changes on *both* sides will be
treated the right way, i.e.: pages having been deleted on the one side
will be deleted on the other side too.

Why?

No idea.

And How can I solve this problem?

No idea either.

In the meantime Ilya Koulchin has replied.
As you might see from my reaction in that, I think that Ilya's reply and
the concept behind it might be seriously wrong.

Let's see what answer we get.

Rainald

 

[Ilya Koulchin]

Sorry, Ilya, I can not accept this explanation.
What you say in fact would mean a fundamental contradiction to the basic
concepts of OneNote's schemes of synching (in as far as I understood
them).

I'm really not sure how you drew that conclusion...

If one follows what David Rasmussen explained in his article "OneNote
Notebooks on USB drives and SD cards" [1] one has to believe that using
OneNote with an USB-stick does mean the same as using ON from a shared
device.
And this would mean that "synching" would work in *both* directions.

That is correct - using USB drives uses the same underlying architecture
as shared notebooks. It just so happens that OneNote has a feature that
causes it to bring back the page if one person edits it and another
deletes it. This feature works for all notebooks - local, shared, USB,
everything. You can try it yourself - open the same notebook on two
different computers, and simultaneously edit and delete the same page.
The page will come back with the edits from the other computer.

And it would mean that I would have said a lot of nonsense when
recommending using USB-sticks as a way to work with ON in order to keep
things in synch (which I did very many times in these Newsgroups
(without any contradiction from anybody <!!!>).

Your advice on USB-sticks has been correct.

Therefore pleeeeease be so kind as to explain a bit more what *you* said
*here* and tell us what might be wrong with David Rasmussen's article.

There's nothing wrong with David's article. I was pointing out that
OneNote will notice when a page that was deleted from another computer
has unsynced changes, and "undelete" the page if that is the case. In
this case, the unsynced changes could be due to editing the page when
the USB drive was not plugged in, or disconnecting the drive so soon
after making the change that OneNote hasn't had time to sync the changes.

 

[minimus]

minimus wrote:
If the page was changed on the computer at work, it will not be deleted
(this prevents losing data in multi-user scenarios when one person types
something on a page while another deletes the page). Make sure that the
page isn't changing on the work computer and it'll stay deleted.

Ok let me be more clear because I am not clear on your answer (it may be
that I do not understand).

So I have 2 comouters: home c. and work c.
What I do everyday is as follows.
Morning: I open the work computer. I work on ON without the USB stick
plugged in.
In particular suppose I delete a page, and edit many other pages.
Evening: Before I leave the office, I plug in the usb stick and the changes
are synchronized.
Evening: I go home and turn on my home computer. I plug in the usb stick.
I open ON and ON starts to do the synchronization.
The sync finishes and the result is as follows:

ON synchronizes the edited pages correctly.
ON brings back the page that I deleted at work.
I do not want the latter to happen!
This is very confusing because I copy and paste the content of a page to
another page and then delete the page that I copied the content from. Then
ON brings back that page and I become sceptical if I have correctly
processed that page.
Even worse is that: I do so many things during a day on ON and I cannot
remember how many pages I deleted.
Then ON brings them back and my one day editing on ON becomes a mess.

Notes:
1. I use vista tultimate at work and xp prof. at home.
2. Even to confuse you more: The following does not happen: When I delete a
page at home the page is not brought back at work (thsi is what I want ON to
do).
So it seems that there is something weird going on with my ON on my home
computer.

 

[minimus]

minimus wrote:

Thanks a lot for your concern.
I have no idea why that is happening.
Before it did not happen!
But I also wonder if I am making a mistake somewhere...

 

[Bernd]

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Ok let me be more clear because I am not clear on your answer (it may be
that I do not understand).

So I have 2 comouters: home c. and work c.
What I do everyday is as follows.
Morning: I open the work computer. I work on ON without the USB stick
plugged in.
In particular suppose I delete a page, and edit many other pages.
Evening: Before I leave the office, I plug in the usb stick and the changes
are synchronized.
Evening: I go home and turn on my home computer. I plug in the usb stick.
I open ON and ON starts to do the synchronization.
The sync finishes and the result is as follows:

ON synchronizes the edited pages correctly.
ON brings back the page that I deleted at work.
I do not want the latter to happen!
This is very confusing because I copy and paste the content of a page to
another page and then delete the page that I copied the content from. Then
ON brings back that page and I become sceptical if I have correctly
processed that page.
Even worse is that: I do so many things during a day on ON and I cannot
remember how many pages I deleted.
Then ON brings them back and my one day editing on ON becomes a mess.

Notes:
1. I use vista tultimate at work and xp prof. at home.
2. Even to confuse you more: The following does not happen: When I delete a
page at home the page is not brought back at work (thsi is what I want ON to
do).
So it seems that there is something weird going on with my ON on my home
computer.

I think, your mistake is, to start in ON at work without synching
before. In that way you create colliding changes between home and work.
I'm convinced, that your reappearing pages appear already after synching
in the evening at work, but you didn't have noticed that ...
My conclusion for avoiding colliding changes is:
you must synch before and after working, at work AND home. So 4 times a day.

Bernd

 

[Ilya Koulchin]

Ok let me be more clear because I am not clear on your answer (it may be
that I do not understand).

So I have 2 comouters: home c. and work c.
What I do everyday is as follows.
Morning: I open the work computer. I work on ON without the USB stick
plugged in.
In particular suppose I delete a page, and edit many other pages.
Evening: Before I leave the office, I plug in the usb stick and the changes
are synchronized.
Evening: I go home and turn on my home computer. I plug in the usb stick.
I open ON and ON starts to do the synchronization.
The sync finishes and the result is as follows:

ON synchronizes the edited pages correctly.
ON brings back the page that I deleted at work.

This is the expected behavior if you changed that page at home the
previous night. If you delete the page again and do not change it, it
should stay deleted. To avoid the page coming back, synchronize your
notebook at work before deleting the page, or make sure that you aren't
editing the page on one computer while deleting it on another.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Thanks a lot for your concern.
I have no idea why that is happening.
Before it did not happen!
But I also wonder if I am making a mistake somewhere...

Thanks for the additional information given on the way you work.

What you said in your reply to Ilya is quite from different from what
you said initially.
In your original posting you said
"I make changes at home: like deleting pages, moving pages.
I come work and plug the usb stick and do the sync."

In the later posting, however, you report that you start working without
synching:
"What I do everyday is as follows.
Morning: I open the work computer. I work on ON without the USB stick
plugged in.

This makes a big difference.

There is another contradiction:
In the original posting you said that the problem was that pages deleted
at home would remain n the computer at work.
In the second posting you report just the opposite:
pages deleted at work remaining on the computer at home.

Which version of the scenario is correct?

Did you meanwhile follow Bernd's suggestion to synch *FOUR* times?
Does the problem still appear?

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Thanks for your reply, Ilya!
Pls see my comments below.

I'm really not sure how you drew that conclusion...

Obviously I misunderstood what you said and was confused by the OP's
scenario and overlooked the main thing, your "If the page was changed ."
My mistake. I'm really sorry for that.
Pls accept my apologies.

If one follows what David Rasmussen explained in his article
"OneNote Notebooks on USB drives and SD cards" [1] one has to
believe that using OneNote with an USB-stick does mean the same as
using ON from a shared device.
And this would mean that "synching" would work in *both*
directions.

That is correct - using USB drives uses the same underlying
architecture as shared notebooks. It just so happens that OneNote
has a feature that causes it to bring back the page if one person
edits it and another deletes it. This feature works for all
notebooks - local, shared, USB, everything. You can try it yourself
- open the same notebook on two different computers, and
simultaneously edit and delete the same page. The page will come
back with the edits from the other computer.

Thanks for the comprehensive explanation.
That's what I had in mind.

Your advice on USB-sticks has been correct.

Thanks for your reconfirmation.

There's nothing wrong with David's article. I was pointing out that
OneNote will notice when a page that was deleted from another
computer has unsynced changes, and "undelete" the page if that is
the case.

That's the main point!

In this case, the unsynced changes could be due to
editing the page when the USB drive was not plugged in, or
disconnecting the drive so soon after making the change that
OneNote hasn't had time to sync the changes.

It seems that the OP in his original posting has given a wrong scenario
when he spoke of starting his work with plugging in the stick. With the
totally modified scenario he gave later (plugging in the stick only
*finishing* work) it dies not take wonder that deleted pages "reappear".

Thanks again. I'll keep this with the articles collected in synching.
And pls excuse me for my dumb mistake.

Kindest regards
Rainald

 

[minimus]

minimus wrote:

I am paying attention to what I am doing nowadays.
I do not have the same problem since then.
I will let this thread know if it goes wrong again.

But thanks for your concern sir.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I am paying attention to what I am doing nowadays.

I do not have the same problem since then.

I did run several tests meanwhile.
It's clear that a page deleted on one computer will re-appear when on
the other computer a page is met which holds unsynched changes.
And only in this case.

I will let this thread know if it goes wrong again.

Yes, pls do so.
But I'm sure that the problem will not re-appear if you also sync prior
to start working.

But thanks for your concern sir.

De nada. That's what we are here for ;-)

Rainald