Table Format Style vs. Table Text Style

[WebColin]

I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed

 

[Stefan Blom]

Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread
at:
http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


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[WebColin]

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then
the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR
12).

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin

Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread
at:
http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message

 

[WebColin]

OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).

So, that leads to a few questions:

1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal
Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies:
font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are
standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control.

2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution?

3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in
Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best
practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages?

Thanks so much,
Colin

Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug
and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then
the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR
12).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin

Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread
at:
http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message
I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole
Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are
still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another
text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not
supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of
the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each
table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps
someone more knowledgeable can answer your question.

OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).

So, that leads to a few questions:

1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal
Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies:
font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are
standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control.

2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution?

3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in
Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best
practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages?

Thanks so much,
Colin

Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug
and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then
the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR
12).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed

font
(if

you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin


Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread
at:

http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message
I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole
Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are
still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another
text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not
supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of
the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each
table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed

 

[WebColin]

You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed
that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font
and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table
style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it
started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent
tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the
problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I
started.

- Colin

Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps
someone more knowledgeable can answer your question.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).

So, that leads to a few questions:

1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal
Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies:
font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are
standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control.

2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution?

3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in
Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best
practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages?

Thanks so much,
Colin

Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug
and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then
the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e.,
TNR
12).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table
should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font
(if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only
possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a
conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I
do? I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If
Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another
way - I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin


Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings
will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread
at:

http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives
at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message
I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for
"Whole
Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are
still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define
another
text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not
supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of
the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each
table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed

 

[Stefan Blom]

I don't think restoring Normal to factory default does it. If you
start a fresh document, where Normal hasn't beeen modified at all, do
you still see the same problem?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message

You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed
that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font
and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table
style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it
started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent
tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the
problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I
started.

- Colin

Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps
someone more knowledgeable can answer your question.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).

So, that leads to a few questions:

1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to

the
Normal

Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies:
font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are
standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control.

2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution?

3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should

I define
in

Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best
practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages?

Thanks so much,
Colin


Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug
and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal

style,
then

the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e.,
TNR
12).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our

specified
serif

font for this template. But the Table style font should override that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table
should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a

serifed
font

(if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only
possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a
conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I
do? I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you

listed. Is it
to

use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If
Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another
way - I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin


Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings
will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in

the
thread

at:

http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives
at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message
I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for
"Whole
Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are
still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define
another
text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not
supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of
the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each
table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed

 

[WebColin]

I'm not talking about the Normal Template. I have not changed that. I'm
talking about the Normal Style in my own Template, which just sets margins
and a few Styles for documents based on that template.

Also, restoring the Normal style did cause the first table to work.
Specifically, When I had set the Normal style in my template set to use the
Sabon font at 10.5 points and set Table style to Interstate font at 8.5
points, the table I created instead used Sabon 10.5. Then, when I reset the
Normal style to use Times New Roman 12 point, my Table correctly switched to
Interstate 8.5.

To hold the body font, I used the Body Text style.

But the second table I created appeared back as Sabon 10.5, even while the
first table was still correct.

- Colin

Word 2003, Win XP, all SP's applied to both

I don't think restoring Normal to factory default does it. If you
start a fresh document, where Normal hasn't beeen modified at all, do
you still see the same problem?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message

You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed
that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font
and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table
style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it
started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent
tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the
problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I
started.

- Colin

Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps
someone more knowledgeable can answer your question.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).

So, that leads to a few questions:

1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the
Normal
Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies:
font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are
standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control.

2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution?

3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define
in
Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best
practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages?

Thanks so much,
Colin


Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug
and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style,
then
the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e.,
TNR
12).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified
serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table
should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed
font
(if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only
possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a
conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I
do?
I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it
to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If
Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another
way -
I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin


Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings
will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the
thread
at:


http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives
at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message
I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for
"Whole
Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are
still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define
another
text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not
supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of
the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each
table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed

 

[WebColin]

No, now I found a work-around, but this remains weird (at least to me...
maybe this will be obvious to someone else). If under style I select "Clear
Formatting" inside the table cell, it then successfully reverts to the Table
Style. I never tried that when I had Normal defined, but I don't think it
would have worked based on the style names in use where the problem occurs.

This seems to work reliably.

- Colin

You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I
confirmed that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected
both font and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings
for Table style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to
how it started. However, after that worked for the first table, for
subsequent tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as
if the problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back
where I started.

- Colin

Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps
someone more knowledgeable can answer your question.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).

So, that leads to a few questions:

1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal
Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies:
font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are
standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control.

2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution?

3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I
define in
Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best
practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages?

Thanks so much,
Colin


Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a
bug
and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then
the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e.,
TNR
12).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override
that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using
the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table
should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font
(if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only
possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just
to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a
conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I
do? I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is
it to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If
Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another
way - I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin


Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings
will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread

at:

http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives
at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message
I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for
"Whole
Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are
still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define
another
text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's
not
supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of
the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in
each
table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed

 

[Stefan Blom]

I was referring to the Normal *style*, too, in my previous reply. What
I meant to say was that restoring the Normal style (to its factory
default settings) may not restore the full functionality of table
styles. Instead, you may have to use table styles in a document where
Normal has *never* been modified. However, someone else might know
more about this.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


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I'm not talking about the Normal Template. I have not changed that. I'm
talking about the Normal Style in my own Template, which just sets margins
and a few Styles for documents based on that template.

Also, restoring the Normal style did cause the first table to work.
Specifically, When I had set the Normal style in my template set to use the
Sabon font at 10.5 points and set Table style to Interstate font at 8.5
points, the table I created instead used Sabon 10.5. Then, when I reset the
Normal style to use Times New Roman 12 point, my Table correctly switched to
Interstate 8.5.

To hold the body font, I used the Body Text style.

But the second table I created appeared back as Sabon 10.5, even while the
first table was still correct.

- Colin

Word 2003, Win XP, all SP's applied to both

I don't think restoring Normal to factory default does it. If you
start a fresh document, where Normal hasn't beeen modified at all, do
you still see the same problem?

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Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


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You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed
that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected

both
font

and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings

for
Table

style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to

how
it

started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent
tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as

if
the

problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I
started.

- Colin


Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this,

but
perhaps

someone more knowledgeable can answer your question.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).

So, that leads to a few questions:

1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes

to
the

Normal
Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies:
font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are
standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control.

2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution?

3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what

should
I define

in
Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best
practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages?

Thanks so much,
Colin


Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug
and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of

Normal
style,

then
the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal

font
(i.e.,

TNR
12).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified
serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add

that
using the

Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A

typical
table

should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed
font
(if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only
possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the

table
just to

establish placement for various items, and not really as a
conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I
do?
I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it
to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If
Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another
way -
I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my

Normal
text to

another style.

Thanks much,
Colin


Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings
will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke

in
the

thread
at:

http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives
at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message
I have defined a Table format, including setting the

text
for

"Whole
Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are
still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that

table
style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define
another
text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not
supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and

the
size of

the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the

text
in each

table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed

 

[Klaus Linke]

Hi Colin,

I was about to suggest that. If you are in a "Body Text" paragraph when you
insert a table, that style will be applied "on top" in all the table cells
(instead of "Normal").
"Clear Formatting" gets rid of that paragraph style (while [re]applying the
table style does not).

Greetings,
Klaus

No, now I found a work-around, but this remains weird (at least to me...
maybe this will be obvious to someone else). If under style I select
"Clear Formatting" inside the table cell, it then successfully reverts to
the Table Style. I never tried that when I had Normal defined, but I don't
think it would have worked based on the style names in use where the
problem occurs.

This seems to work reliably.

- Colin

You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I
confirmed that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected
both font and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings
for Table style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back
to how it started. However, after that worked for the first table, for
subsequent tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's
as if the problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back
where I started.

- Colin

Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps
someone more knowledgeable can answer your question.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).

So, that leads to a few questions:

1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the
Normal
Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style
specifies:
font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these
are
standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control.

2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution?

3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I
define
in
Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best
practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages?

Thanks so much,
Colin


Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a
bug
and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style,
then
the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e.,
TNR
12).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified
serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override
that,
shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings).

[In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using
the
Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table
should
be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed
font
(if
you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only
possible
general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just
to
establish placement for various items, and not really as a
conventional
table.]

Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I
do?
I
didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is
it
to
use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If
Normal
is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another
way -
I
don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text
to
another style.

Thanks much,
Colin


Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings
will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the
thread
at:


http://groups.google.se/group/micro...3a63e/010e16d9c49bac81?tvc=1#010e16d9c49bac81

If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives
at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


in message
I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for
"Whole
Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are
still in
the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for
preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style.

Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define
another
text
style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's
not
supposed
to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of
the
document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in
each
table.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,
Colin

Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed