teaching assignments - office - can you tell the orginal from a co

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stymied in sterling

is there a way to tell the difference between an orginal from a copy of the
original document? In teaching Office 2007 at the high school level, lab
assignments are given to an entire class. can you tell if one person did the
assignment and the rest of the class just copied that document and turned it
in as their own. thank you.
 
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Bob I

Depends a lot on "where" the original came from, how it was transmitted,
and what was done to the file where. IF the teacher supplied the
original and it remained on the high school servers, then the create
date should be the same for all the distributed copies. BUT if copies
are made after that then the create time stamp changes to the time the
copy was made, and the modified date will be BEFORE the create date AND
the modified dates will match other copies, provided there wasn't
editing after the copy was made. IF the answers are essay type then the
wording should be slightly different. If track changes are ON, there is
a trail there. You will need to determine for yourself what was copied
or not.
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

you sound as if you
may be an instructor looking
for methods to prove
collusion, which is a
reasonable request.

we could provide valuable tips
regarding this, however there is
no way for us to know
that you are not a clever
student posing this question
to us.

if you are an instructor
and you think there is
collusion, then you will
have to become smarter
than those tricky rascals
who are out smarting you.

like the treasury dept.,
they had to develop
methods to against
counterfeiting.

our technology makes
it fool proof or
proofed for fools

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stymied in sterling

for proof of my teacheri-ness, i offer the use of the word stymied. no one
under 50 uses ( or possibly knows of) that word. i have taught over 30 years,
the last 20 doing pgming, hardware, & networking. your post sounds as if you
have a product or solution that addresses my situation. i would appreciate
any info you could provide. thank you. s.i.s.
 
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Beth Melton

That would be a little difficult due to the information Microsoft removed
from documents due to PII. At one time each document contained a GUID that
could be tracked to a specific computer but that was removed. Then you could
still view past author information but that too can be removed. Even then
one could copy/paste to a new document and they can still do.

There's also the possibility of dates but those who know what they are doing
can easily fake those.

So in answer to your question, there really isn't a definite identifier you
can count on.

Now, one could potentially add hidden data in each document in Word 2007
that could uniquely identify a document and if it were copy/pasted the fact
the information was missing would be an indicator but that would need to
happen before the document was handed out and each document would need a
unique identifier. Still, even with that someone who knows what they are
doing could circumvent it.

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Bob I

The problem is how much work goes on in the front end. If each student
has a different assignment the issue becomes moot, no? Wrong, they may
have paid for the work. So, then where will you "know" they cheated?
There is no "magic bullet", heck this is the reason there are proctored
exams, check your cell phone at the door, no long sleeves etc. Anything
you can devise, the determined student can get around. So it is an arms
race to see who wins. You will be the sole judge of what is suspicious
and then determine whether or not there is grounds for action.
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

: )

the word stymied is pretty
popular with generation x,
y and z.

on the other hand,
the word "collusion"
would have convinced me...

unfortunately i am not sure
what teacheri-ness means,
maybe it implies "professional
experience".

never the less, there are
is always a solution to
a problem. but it usually requires
to look from outside
of the box.

because "collusion" is the defining
question in this issue a local
college campus can
provide some help as to how
they prevent collusion.

however, if you can
clarify something i could
share a method to implement
in the future. but it is unlikely
i can provide any help with
a process already taken place.

are you talking about
paper documents or
data files?

also, if you are as old as
you say and not a sneaky gen xyz
student, then answer me this:

tell me which reference in
the link below entails Cay Serra Serra:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Courtship_of_Eddie's_Father

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Beth Melton

I'd have to say a smart student could easily Google this. ;-)

Well...unless the real test is has something to do with the words
themselves. (Trying to be vague since I don't want to give anything away...)

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stymied in sterling

db-

i myself am old enough to have actually watched her -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Day

i wanted to give a little more http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/oblique (def
2a) answer for you to follow, but, oh well. at the risk of divulging WAY to
much personal info to the world, here's a link to my retirement party
picture. but if you have a solution and this will convince you, then it is
worth it.

http://www.michelsoft.net/incognito.htm

and here's HOPING that 1) you're not a SNEAKY GEN XYZ student just goofing
on me and that this is sufficient proof: Q.E.D.

OH, and i'm also old enough to have watched stymie AND to know that it's
spelled que sera, sera.

thanks. still s.i.s.
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

cay serra serra
would have been
a funier response.

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db ´¯`·.. >

doris day?
i thought it was
green acreas.

now for the tricks of the
trade that i can share, i will need
to know if by documents you
are referring to paper
version or data files

lets move this from
public to direct comm
@:
databaseben at hotmail dot com
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Beth Melton

....or since the answer has been given already, Que Sera Sera. ;-)

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Beth Melton

db ´¯`·.. > said:
doris day?
i thought it was
green acreas.
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Seriously? Doris Day sang Que Sera Sera in The Man Who Knew Too Much (Alfred
Hitchcock) and then I think it may have been her theme song on her show. She
may have done a Green Acres parody on her show if that's what you're
referring to??

Btw, if your tricks of the trade include examining the meta data then that's
even more impossible to tell these days, especially in Word 2007 documents.

~Beth Melton
 
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db ´¯`·.. >

yes, i know.

but if it were spelled
correctly, it could have
been googled.

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db ´¯`·.. >

i wasn't serious
about green acreas.

i know it was the
theme for her show, but
i don't think it was
in a hitchcock. that
kind of music wouldn't
seem to fit into style
his suspense and dry
humor.

but you could be right.

between ray bradbury,
twilight zone, dark shadows
outer limits, it hard
to remember.

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Beth Melton

I figured as much. That's what I was trying to elude to in my post
"something to do with the words". :)

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db ´¯`·.. >

that's interesting..

i think that i have
seen all of his works,
but alas, don't remember
most of them.

the movie that sticks in my
mind is the birds.

you ought to update
that wiki page..
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Beth Melton

I couldn't figure out what you were referring to about updating the wiki
page but then noticed the closing parenthesis was missing from the link.
Here's a corrected one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Knew_Too_Much_(1956_film)

Yeah, The Birds is probably one of the best known. I'd have to say my
favorites are Frenzy, Rear Window, and Vertigo. Vertigo was a little slow at
times but the surprise ending was worth it.

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