Three tables issue still remains

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Engineer1978

Ok i have uploaded my pic of my relations so maybe you can help me now to
tell me how i can unite the three tables, finances function, acc/bookkeeping
function and personal tax income into ONE by simply clicking (1-1000) for
finances(1001-2000) for Acc/Bkkpg and 2001-3000 for Personal tax.. they have
all different values and functions.. so...
 
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Albert D.Kallal

It is not quite clear what your final goal here is.

If those tables are related by a common field, then you simply fire up the
query builder, and drop in the tables, and join them.

However, the above is not a solution in terms of how you plan to enter, or
edit, or mange this data. In that case, we are talking about an application
development process. For example, do you plan to be able to take a cheque
amount, and split it out into several accounts? If you look at the following
screen shots, the last one shows this "classic" type of form where you take
a given amount..and split out the cheque into several different accounts.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/AlbertKallal/Articles/Grid.htm

In your case, as mentioned, just built a query on the main customer table
(or client table). You can then drop in as many as the other tables as you
need.
However, looking at your relations, I suspect many should be set as left
joins...not inner joins as you have.

A left join means that a query will return the "parent" records when the
child table HAS NO correspond record.

So, if we have Customers, and Invoices tables, a left join would give us:

CustomerName InvoiceNumber
AppleBee
Donought Shop 1234
Doughnut Shop 1344

Note how AppleBee does NOT yet have a invoice number in the invoices
table..but the query still returns the record. You have to use left joins
for lookup values when you drop in many tables (can't use standard joins in
this case).

So, with a left join, the corresponding child record DOES NOT have to exist.
Just think of "left" side can exist...but the right side does NOT have to !

A middle join, or so called inner join is the standard join, and BOTH tables
have to have a value for the join. The above would produce:

CustomerName InvoiceNumber
Dounought Shop 1234
Doughutn Ship 1344

So, in the above inner join, our customer name of Applebee does not show,
since that customer does NOT yet have a invoice record in the invoice table.

To make a left join, you drop in the tables (in the query builder, or the
relationship designer), and draw the join line to the appropriate filed
between each table. You then double click on the join line. You then click
on the join type button

You get three options:

Only include rows where the joined fields from both tables are equal
(this standard default inner join)

Include ALL records from "Customers" and only those records from
"Invoices" where the joined fields are equal

(this is our left join. So, our main table Customers will be returned in
this query, REGARDLESS if the child records (invoices in this example)
exist, or not!. This is left join

Include ALL records from "Invoices" and only those records from
"Customers" where the joined fields are equal
This sis obviously a right join....

For forms, and sub-forms, and related tables, left joins are quite
important.

If you look at the following screen shot, you can see that most relations
ships are this left join, and RI is enforced.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/AlbertKallal/Articles/PickSql/Appendex2.html

tblBgroup (booking group) for example may, or may not have payments made
(tblPayments). Thus, you can add a booking group, and NOT have to add child
records. However, full RI is enforced, and you can see the side ways 8
"omega" sign AND THE ARROW HEAD. The simple lookup fields are simply just a
arrow drawn, and no "1", or omega sign exists (tblPayments to tblHowpaid for
example is a simple lookup). It is GREAT that I can look at the ER diagram,
and instantly know if child records are required, or they are not!!

The tables that MUST have a child records can also clearly be seen. If you
go from the tblBgroup to the its parent table, you will see table
tblBooking. You can easily see that there is a 1 to many here also, but NO
ARROW head exists. Thus, when I create a booking, my designs will ALWAYS
ASSUME that a child records in tblBgroup (booking group) will exist (ie: I
must code, and assume that when I add a tblBooking records, my code also
assumes that a tblBGroup will also have to be added). In plain English this
means that when I make a booking (reservation), my code assumes that
you MUST have people in that booking. However, I most certainly allow
people to be booked, but not yet have made any payments. So, your
relationship(s) if done right should reflect the rules you as a developer
want to maintain. I should point out that a left join, or a standard
(inner join) both allow child records to NOT exist, but you still
should correctly set this relationship, since when it comes to making
reports, and writing code...I will know what my assumptions
were at the time (ie: do I HAVE to add those child records
for the software to function correctly. So, if I write code to
make a booking, all of my code thus assumes that people
are also to be added to the booking. Break that assuming
of mine, and likely my code will break).

So, the ER diagram can convey a lot about your designs. Down the road, I can
now look at that diagram, and when writing code, I will know if the design
can, and does assume if child records are required. If you look at that
table, it is VERY RARE that I require the child record. That application has
about 60 tables, and I think only 1 or 2 in the whole thing is NOT a left
join. Hence, you most certainly should set the relation in the window for
future reference, and also it will help you when you create a query, or a
report.

It is very possible that just joining all your tables together will not be
of much use. (how do you plan to use the resulting grid/table of data?)

Much better is to build a report, and in the case of building a report, you
best NOT use a bunch of relational table joins, but in fact use sub-reports
FOR EACH RELATED TABLE (set of data). The same applies for a form to
display the data, don't use joins, but use a sub-form for each related table
(especially the case when the related table is a "many" join). Consider
using a tab control to group the sets of related data on the form.

So, it is not clear if you are trying to build a data entry form or report
on existing data that you already have. For data entry, those above screen
shots should give *some* ideas as to what you can do..and most of the time
they involve sub-forms.
 

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