Times New Roman Bold in Word for Windows notshowing up correctly in Word for Mac


J

jetcat33

Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) Processor: Intel I created a Word document in Word 2007 on Windows XP. The document has certain text formatted as "Times New Roman" with bold (I'll refer to this text as the "Test Text"). The font dialog box shows the font type for the Test Text as "Times New Roman" and the "bold" option is selected.

I emailed that document to my Mac OS X and opened it with Word 2008 on my Mac. The document formatting for the document as a whole looks okay, except for the formatting of the Test Text. Instead of showing up as normal Times New Roman with bold, the text has funky styling (a little more curvy, but still similar to Times New Roman). When I open the font dialog to view the font style associated with the Test Text, it shows up, in the font type text box, as "Times New Roman Bold" and the bold box is checked.

To make the text show up as normal Times New Roman with bold, I need to change to another font, close the dialog box, then go back into the dialog box and select "Times New Roman" and choose "bold."

In other words, Mac Word 2008 is using a font called "Times New Roman Bold" instead of the normal font "Times New Roman."

What is happening? Why can't Word 2008 show this "Times New Roman Bold" font when opening the Word 2007 document?

The following link describes a similar problem where a font shows up as "Times New Roman Bold, Bold": http://www.microsystems.com/pdfs/tnrbb.pdf

Any tips on how I can make sure Times New Roman with bold shows up as such in both Word 2007 and Word 2008?
 
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John McGhie

What is happening is that in Word 2007, Word is using the Microsoft version
of Times New Roman. On the Mac, it's using the Apple version.

Generally, the difference should not be noticeable except to the keen eye.
But Mac Word 2008 enables ligatures and advanced typesetting if the font
contains them. So you will sometimes see some changes.

Microsoft released a matcher for TNR named Cambria with Office 2007/8. This
is one of the "C-series" fonts (their names all begin with "C") that was
carefully engineered to look as close as possible to the same on both Mac
and PC.

Give it a try: it's a nicer looking font than TNR :)

Cheers


Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) Processor: Intel
I created a Word document in Word 2007 on Windows XP. The document has certain
text formatted as "Times New Roman" with bold (I'll refer to this text as the
"Test Text"). The font dialog box shows the font type for the Test Text as
"Times New Roman" and the "bold" option is selected.

I emailed that document to my Mac OS X and opened it with Word 2008 on my Mac.
The document formatting for the document as a whole looks okay, except for the
formatting of the Test Text. Instead of showing up as normal Times New Roman
with bold, the text has funky styling (a little more curvy, but still similar
to Times New Roman). When I open the font dialog to view the font style
associated with the Test Text, it shows up, in the font type text box, as
"Times New Roman Bold" and the bold box is checked.

To make the text show up as normal Times New Roman with bold, I need to change
to another font, close the dialog box, then go back into the dialog box and
select "Times New Roman" and choose "bold."

In other words, Mac Word 2008 is using a font called "Times New Roman Bold"
instead of the normal font "Times New Roman."

What is happening? Why can't Word 2008 show this "Times New Roman Bold" font
when opening the Word 2007 document?

The following link describes a similar problem where a font shows up as "Times
New Roman Bold, Bold": http://www.microsystems.com/pdfs/tnrbb.pdf

Any tips on how I can make sure Times New Roman with bold shows up as such in
both Word 2007 and Word 2008?
This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

--

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
J

jetcat33

Is this true? On Mac Word 2008, if I change the TNR font to another font, and then change it back to TNR with bolding, everything looks good again, i.e. TNR looks like TNR on Word 2007. To be honest, I don't think it's because Mac is using the Apple version and Windows is using the Windows version. Could there be any other explanation? I'll try to upload screenshots showing the differences soon.
 
C

CyberTaz

You might see what happens if you launch Apple's Font Book app & run both
the Resolve Duplicates as well as the Validate Fonts routines. I'm guessing
that you have more than one version of TNR installed on your Mac. If I'm
right, fix that & the problem should go away.

Bold, Italic & a combination of the two [as well as a number of other
possible faces] are variants which may or may not be included in any given
version of any given font. In the case of TNR, I believe the older versions
did not include the variants, the newer versions do.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
J

jetcat33

RESOLVED.

Thank you for your message. Your suggestion worked. I opened FontBook, then under the "Times New Roman" entry, which showed a warning icon because the Apple version and the Microsoft version of the font was installed, I disabled all Apple versions. Now, for TNR, I have only the Microsoft versions enabled.
You might see what happens if you launch Apple's Font Book app & run both
> the Resolve Duplicates as well as the Validate Fonts routines. I'm guessing
> that you have more than one version of TNR installed on your Mac. If I'm
> right, fix that & the problem should go away.
>
> Bold, Italic & a combination of the two [as well as a number of other
> possible faces] are variants which may or may not be included in any given
> version of any given font. In the case of TNR, I believe the older versions
> did not include the variants, the newer versions do.
>
> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>
>
> On 1/24/10 8:53 PM, in article (e-mail address removed)2ac0,
> "[email protected]" wrote:
>
> > Is this true? On Mac Word 2008, if I change the TNR font to another font, and
> > then change it back to TNR with bolding, everything looks good again, i.e. TNR
> > looks like TNR on Word 2007. To be honest, I don't think it's because Mac is
> > using the Apple version and Windows is using the Windows version. Could there
> > be any other explanation? I'll try to upload screenshots showing the
> > differences soon.
>
>
 
J

John McGhie

I suggest you don't rely on "Disable" for fonts: we have had some issues
reported by folks who have done that.

Better to get the versions you don't need off the system.

Cheers


RESOLVED.

Thank you for your message. Your suggestion worked. I opened FontBook, then
under the "Times New Roman" entry, which showed a warning icon because the
Apple version and the Microsoft version of the font was installed, I disabled
all Apple versions. Now, for TNR, I have only the Microsoft versions enabled.
You might see what happens if you launch Apple's Font Book app & run both
the Resolve Duplicates as well as the Validate Fonts routines. I'm guessing
that you have more than one version of TNR installed on your Mac. If I'm
right, fix that & the problem should go away.

Bold, Italic & a combination of the two [as well as a number of other
possible faces] are variants which may or may not be included in any given
version of any given font. In the case of TNR, I believe the older versions
did not include the variants, the newer versions do.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac


Is this true? On Mac Word 2008, if I change the TNR font to another font,
and
then change it back to TNR with bolding, everything looks good again, i.e.
TNR
looks like TNR on Word 2007. To be honest, I don't think it's because Mac is
using the Apple version and Windows is using the Windows version. Could
there
be any other explanation? I'll try to upload screenshots showing the
differences soon.
This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

--

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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dow

I suggest you don't rely on "Disable" for fonts: we have had some issues
reported by folks who have done that.

Better to get the versions you don't need off the system.

Cheers

RESOLVED.
Thank you for your message. Your suggestion worked. I opened FontBook, then
under the "Times New Roman" entry, which showed a warning icon because the
Apple version and the Microsoft version of the font was installed, I disabled
all Apple versions. Now, for TNR, I have only the Microsoft versions enabled.
You might see what happens if you launch Apple's Font Book app & run both
the Resolve Duplicates as well as the Validate Fonts routines. I'm guessing
that you have more than one version of TNR installed on your Mac. If I'm
right, fix that & the problem should go away.
Bold, Italic & a combination of the two [as well as a number of other
possible faces] are variants which may or may not be included in any given
version of any given font. In the case of TNR, I believe the older versions
did not include the variants, the newer versions do.
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones  
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 1/24/10 8:53 PM, in article (e-mail address removed)2ac0,
"(e-mail address removed)"  wrote:
Is this true? On Mac Word 2008, if I change the TNR font to another font,
and
then change it back to TNR with bolding, everything looks good again,i.e.
TNR
looks like TNR on Word 2007. To be honest, I don't think it's becauseMac is
using the Apple version and Windows is using the Windows version. Could
there
be any other explanation? I'll try to upload screenshots showing the
differences soon.
This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

 --

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
Resolving duplicates:

I note your suggestion to "Better to get the versions you don't need
off the system".

Many fonts have one copy in /Library/Fonts, and another (or similar)
one in /Library/Fonts/Microsoft. Is there a rule-of-thumb to decide
which one of each pair of duplicates I should remove? The oldest??
 
J

John McGhie

As a "rule of thumb", yes, delete the "oldest" one.

The recent Microsoft versions are coded to match the PC equivalent, to give
less problems when swapping documents cross-platform.

But I wouldn't prefer a Microsoft version if it was more than two years
older than the Apple version.

Cheers


I suggest you don't rely on "Disable" for fonts: we have had some issues
reported by folks who have done that.

Better to get the versions you don't need off the system.

Cheers

RESOLVED.
Thank you for your message. Your suggestion worked. I opened FontBook, then
under the "Times New Roman" entry, which showed a warning icon because the
Apple version and the Microsoft version of the font was installed, I
disabled
all Apple versions. Now, for TNR, I have only the Microsoft versions
enabled.
You might see what happens if you launch Apple's Font Book app & run both
the Resolve Duplicates as well as the Validate Fonts routines. I'm guessing
that you have more than one version of TNR installed on your Mac. If I'm
right, fix that & the problem should go away.
Bold, Italic & a combination of the two [as well as a number of other
possible faces] are variants which may or may not be included in any given
version of any given font. In the case of TNR, I believe the older versions
did not include the variants, the newer versions do.
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones  
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 1/24/10 8:53 PM, in article (e-mail address removed)2ac0,
"(e-mail address removed)"  wrote:
Is this true? On Mac Word 2008, if I change the TNR font to another font,
and
then change it back to TNR with bolding, everything looks good again, i.e.
TNR
looks like TNR on Word 2007. To be honest, I don't think it's because Mac
is
using the Apple version and Windows is using the Windows version. Could
there
be any other explanation? I'll try to upload screenshots showing the
differences soon.
This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

 --

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
Resolving duplicates:

I note your suggestion to "Better to get the versions you don't need
off the system".

Many fonts have one copy in /Library/Fonts, and another (or similar)
one in /Library/Fonts/Microsoft. Is there a rule-of-thumb to decide
which one of each pair of duplicates I should remove? The oldest??
This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

--

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
D

dow

As a "rule of thumb", yes, delete the "oldest" one.

The recent Microsoft versions are coded to match the PC equivalent, to give
less problems when swapping documents cross-platform.

But I wouldn't prefer a Microsoft version if it was more than two years
older than the Apple version.

Cheers

I suggest you don't rely on "Disable" for fonts: we have had some issues
reported by folks who have done that.
Better to get the versions you don't need off the system.
Cheers
On 26/01/10 1:53 AM, in article (e-mail address removed)2ac0,
RESOLVED.
Thank you for your message. Your suggestion worked. I opened FontBook, then
under the "Times New Roman" entry, which showed a warning icon because the
Apple version and the Microsoft version of the font was installed, I
disabled
all Apple versions. Now, for TNR, I have only the Microsoft versions
enabled.
You might see what happens if you launch Apple's Font Book app & runboth
the Resolve Duplicates as well as the Validate Fonts routines. I'm guessing
that you have more than one version of TNR installed on your Mac. IfI'm
right, fix that & the problem should go away.
Bold, Italic & a combination of the two [as well as a number of other
possible faces] are variants which may or may not be included in anygiven
version of any given font. In the case of TNR, I believe the older versions
did not include the variants, the newer versions do.
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 1/24/10 8:53 PM, in article (e-mail address removed)2ac0,
:
Is this true? On Mac Word 2008, if I change the TNR font to anotherfont,
and
then change it back to TNR with bolding, everything looks good again, i.e.
TNR
looks like TNR on Word 2007. To be honest, I don't think it's because Mac
is
using the Apple version and Windows is using the Windows version. Could
there
be any other explanation? I'll try to upload screenshots showing the
differences soon.
This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!
--
John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
Resolving duplicates:
I note your suggestion to "Better to get the versions you don't need
off the system".
Many fonts have one copy in /Library/Fonts, and another (or similar)
one in /Library/Fonts/Microsoft. Is there a rule-of-thumb to decide
which one of each pair of duplicates I should remove? The oldest??
This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

 --

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
Resolving duplicates:

Great - thanks for rule of thumb - that's what I'll do.
 
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M

mjb27953

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
Processor: Intel

I created a Word document in Word 2007 on Windows XP. The document has certain text formatted as "Times New Roman" with bold (I'll refer to this text as the "Test Text"). The font dialog box shows the font type for the TestText as "Times New Roman" and the "bold" option is selected.

I emailed that document to my Mac OS X and opened it with Word 2008 on myMac. The document formatting for the document as a whole looks okay, except for the formatting of the Test Text. Instead of showing up as normal Times New Roman with bold, the text has funky styling (a little more curvy, butstill similar to Times New Roman). When I open the font dialog to view thefont style associated with the Test Text, it shows up, in the font type text box, as "Times New Roman Bold" and the bold box is checked.

To make the text show up as normal Times New Roman with bold, I need to change to another font, close the dialog box, then go back into the dialog box and select "Times New Roman" and choose "bold."

In other words, Mac Word 2008 is using a font called "Times New Roman Bold" instead of the normal font "Times New Roman."

What is happening? Why can't Word 2008 show this "Times New Roman Bold" font when opening the Word 2007 document?

The following link describes a similar problem where a font shows up as "Times New Roman Bold, Bold": http://www.microsystems.com/pdfs/tnrbb.pdf

Any tips on how I can make sure Times New Roman with bold shows up as such in both Word 2007 and Word 2008?
I have a peculiar issue where a document in Dropbox opened on a windows server looks fine but opened on a Mac looks weird and format is destroyed - any suggestions?
 

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