Uploading To the web

[unofornaio]

If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working (major
understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the site to
any search engines?? I have had the add for sometime its not a new account.
If you go to the site www.milansmarket.com it has the host compay info and
says this site is under construction. You know I dont know what is more
frustrating trying to figure out how to do this from the Publisher 03 side or
the IX hosting side. Do these people just assume everyone know the
terminoligy or what? Why cant there just be a set of basic First you do this,
then you do this, then you do this, instructions? I have read most of the
info here on uploading your site but quite frankly its just as bad.
This is what IX hosting says about uploading your site to their server.
Uploading Your Site
Whenever possible, upload your site using the utilities that come with your
web-site development software. For instance, if you made your site with
SiteStudio, FrontPage or Dreamweaver, use their integrated web publishing
tools.
If you made your site with simple text editors, or if your site-building
software does not have a publishing utility, use freestanding FTP clients,
such as CuteFTP, SmartFTP, or the built in File Manager.

Please note that site publishing tools do not remove your old web content
from the server. For instance, if you used SiteStudio to upload a site with
15 pages and later you published an updated 7 page version of this site, your
directory on the server will have all the new pages and the old pages that
haven't been overwritten.
If you publish many versions of the website, the site may become cluttered
with old files. Warning: If you have a complete website, be careful not to
overwrite it with a publish command.

Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it
to the specific directory. See below for more information.

 

[DavidF]

Uploading your web files to your webhost has nothing to do with submitting
your site to search engines. Figuring out how to upload your website to your
webhost can be confusing at first, but once you figure it out is an easy
process. You are basically just transferring your web files generated from
Publisher, from your computer to your web host computer...their server.

IX web hosting supports both FTP and HTTP uploading protocols. You will need
to use HTTP if you are using a form on your site, otherwise you will
probably find FTP uploading the easiest to do. If you choose FTP then I
agree with IXwebhost's recommendation that you download and install the free
FTP client FileZilla, which you can find at
http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/. You will also find documentation about
how to set up and use FileZilla.

Your host actually has rather good documentation compared to most:
http://www.ixwebhosting.com/index.php/v2/pages.manual

Here is another group of articles about how to upload your website.
Hopefully one of them will describe the process in a way that you can
understand.

Prepare, publish, and maintain your Publisher Web site:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011053521033.aspx

David Bartosik's articles about uploading:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/category/1921.aspx
Unless you are using forms on your website you can use FTP uploading
protocol. If you are using forms HTTP uploading will be required. There is
also a troubleshooting article.

Three top questions about publishing a Web site using Publisher 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011186811033.aspx?pid=CH063577001033

Troubleshoot publishing Publisher Web sites:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HP062535831033.aspx?pid=CH063577001033

DavidF

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

How did you publish the existing website then?

N.B. - milansmarket.com does not have FrontPage server extensions intstalled
so you'll have to use ftp method of publishing.



--

Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage





| If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working (major
| understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the site to
| any search engines?? I have had the add for sometime its not a new
account.
| If you go to the site www.milansmarket.com it has the host compay info and
| says this site is under construction. You know I dont know what is more
| frustrating trying to figure out how to do this from the Publisher 03 side
or
| the IX hosting side. Do these people just assume everyone know the
| terminoligy or what? Why cant there just be a set of basic First you do
this,
| then you do this, then you do this, instructions? I have read most of the
| info here on uploading your site but quite frankly its just as bad.
| This is what IX hosting says about uploading your site to their server.
| Uploading Your Site
| Whenever possible, upload your site using the utilities that come with
your
| web-site development software. For instance, if you made your site with
| SiteStudio, FrontPage or Dreamweaver, use their integrated web publishing
| tools.
| If you made your site with simple text editors, or if your site-building
| software does not have a publishing utility, use freestanding FTP clients,
| such as CuteFTP, SmartFTP, or the built in File Manager.
|
| Please note that site publishing tools do not remove your old web content
| from the server. For instance, if you used SiteStudio to upload a site
with
| 15 pages and later you published an updated 7 page version of this site,
your
| directory on the server will have all the new pages and the old pages that
| haven't been overwritten.
| If you publish many versions of the website, the site may become cluttered
| with old files. Warning: If you have a complete website, be careful not to
| overwrite it with a publish command.
|
| Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it
| to the specific directory. See below for more information.
|
|

 

[unofornaio]

Last night I was frustrated. I use their program and just hit upload to see
how long it would take, it was instant.......that is NOT what I want up there
though. I will try again today thank you both for your help.

 

[Mike Koewler]

Rob,

It's a holding page loaded by the web host.

Mike

 

[unofornaio]

Hey all that helped, I got the site up (well the welcome page anyway) check
it out at http://www.milansmarket.com

My next step is to make this fade into the company logo and information upon
clicking on it. No clue how to do that but I will look through the other
posts. Suggestions and or comments on whats up and how to do what I plan will
be appreciated. Dont hold back I can take it.
Thanks again

 

[Mike Koewler]

Wow! One impressive home page - I'm like trying to figure out how to
find more information.

You could use Flash to create the effect you are looking for or perhaps
a progressive jpg. My stats show that about 98 percent of visitors have
Flash enabled, but the two percent who don't will not have any clue what
is supposed to happen.

Mike

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

look at it in FF though.



--

Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage





| Wow! One impressive home page - I'm like trying to figure out how to
| find more information.
|
| You could use Flash to create the effect you are looking for or perhaps
| a progressive jpg. My stats show that about 98 percent of visitors have
| Flash enabled, but the two percent who don't will not have any clue what
| is supposed to happen.
|
| Mike
|
| unofornaio wrote:
| > Hey all that helped, I got the site up (well the welcome page anyway)
check
| > it out at http://www.milansmarket.com
| >
| > My next step is to make this fade into the company logo and information
upon
| > clicking on it. No clue how to do that but I will look through the other
| > posts. Suggestions and or comments on whats up and how to do what I plan
will
| > be appreciated. Dont hold back I can take it.
| > Thanks again
| >
| > "unofornaio" wrote:
| >
| >
| >>If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working (major
| >>understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the site
to
| >>any search engines?? I have had the add for sometime its not a new
account.
| >>If you go to the site www.milansmarket.com it has the host compay info
and
| >>says this site is under construction. You know I dont know what is more
| >>frustrating trying to figure out how to do this from the Publisher 03
side or
| >>the IX hosting side. Do these people just assume everyone know the
| >>terminoligy or what? Why cant there just be a set of basic First you do
this,
| >>then you do this, then you do this, instructions? I have read most of
the
| >>info here on uploading your site but quite frankly its just as bad.
| >>This is what IX hosting says about uploading your site to their server.
| >>Uploading Your Site
| >>Whenever possible, upload your site using the utilities that come with
your
| >>web-site development software. For instance, if you made your site with
| >>SiteStudio, FrontPage or Dreamweaver, use their integrated web
publishing
| >>tools.
| >>If you made your site with simple text editors, or if your site-building
| >>software does not have a publishing utility, use freestanding FTP
clients,
| >>such as CuteFTP, SmartFTP, or the built in File Manager.
| >>
| >>Please note that site publishing tools do not remove your old web
content
| >>from the server. For instance, if you used SiteStudio to upload a site
with
| >>15 pages and later you published an updated 7 page version of this site,
your
| >>directory on the server will have all the new pages and the old pages
that
| >>haven't been overwritten.
| >>If you publish many versions of the website, the site may become
cluttered
| >>with old files. Warning: If you have a complete website, be careful not
to
| >>overwrite it with a publish command.
| >>
| >>Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put
it
| >>to the specific directory. See below for more information.
| >>
| >>

 

[unofornaio]

Hey Mike,

Are you bustin my balls or are you serious?..I know its not much but it
supposed to make the customer STOP and read it. If your serious thanks for
the complement.
Please tell me more about what a progressive Jpg is and if I have to cut off
my right arm to do it with publisher.
Thanks
J.P.

 

[DavidF]

Actually you need to change one other thing before you proceed. It appears
that you are using some .wmf files, which may be the clipart for the wheat
or grass clumps at the bottom left and right of the your design. When
Publisher converts the page to html, it converts those to .wmz files. In
some cases, on some non-window servers, this causes IE to crash when you
load the page. It did with me when I viewed the page.

The workaround is to copy the clipart, and open it in an image editing
program, and save it as a gif file, reinsert where you were using the
clipart. Alternatively, you can just Paste Special back onto the Pub page as
an image, and that should also convert it to a gif.

This one example where something that works well in a print document does
not work when converted to html.

DavidF

 

[DavidF]

Actually it views pretty well in FF for me. Much better than IE as it
crashes IE on occasion. The reason is posted above.

DavidF

 

[unofornaio]

Thanks guys.
NOW I know why It crashed me (IE) several times at first, I finally went to
my neighbor and asked him to view it (IE) did the same thing twice then it
was Ok. I have a cable connection and Im concerned about slower connections
(as everything I read says I should) but I think once I srtaighten all the
graphic names out it shouldnt be a problme hu? there is not much there and
the rest of it (working on it) is just as simple well the products will have
very good quality pictures so people can see what they are ordering but the
rest is pretty simple.

Can I NOT just use the graphics manager select the image and save it as a
gif? I have been working on a COPY of this page to make the changes because
I'm afraid to touch the original one I'm still not 100% sure what I did to
get it there. Also I had others view it via a link I posted and when I typed
in the add www.milansmarket.com the link shows up as "Welcome" which is the
name I saved the page as in pub when uploading. the file folder that welcome
is contained in on my control panel is called milansmarket.com so if I want
to change the name of the page (welcome) so it shows up in link form as
"Milansmarket.com" will this file not conflict with the folder of the same
name? In repaying assume I know NOTHING please.. Thanks for looking this over
for me I would never have thought of this stuff. BTW the site is for my
Italian Bakery I see no reason not to send you guys some cookies for helping
me. When I mean I appreciate it I really mean it.
Thanks again

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

not here...no detail in the shadow..some lines look like just dots...same
for the text.

--

Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage





| Actually it views pretty well in FF for me. Much better than IE as it
| crashes IE on occasion. The reason is posted above.
|
| DavidF
|
| | > look at it in FF though.
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| > Rob Giordano
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Wow! One impressive home page - I'm like trying to figure out how to
| > | find more information.
| > |
| > | You could use Flash to create the effect you are looking for or
perhaps
| > | a progressive jpg. My stats show that about 98 percent of visitors
have
| > | Flash enabled, but the two percent who don't will not have any clue
what
| > | is supposed to happen.
| > |
| > | Mike
| > |
| > | unofornaio wrote:
| > | > Hey all that helped, I got the site up (well the welcome page
anyway)
| > check
| > | > it out at http://www.milansmarket.com
| > | >
| > | > My next step is to make this fade into the company logo and
| > information
| > upon
| > | > clicking on it. No clue how to do that but I will look through the
| > other
| > | > posts. Suggestions and or comments on whats up and how to do what I
| > plan
| > will
| > | > be appreciated. Dont hold back I can take it.
| > | > Thanks again
| > | >
| > | > "unofornaio" wrote:
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >>If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working
| > (major
| > | >>understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the
| > site
| > to
| > | >>any search engines?? I have had the add for sometime its not a new
| > account.
| > | >>If you go to the site www.milansmarket.com it has the host compay
info
| > and
| > | >>says this site is under construction. You know I dont know what is
| > more
| > | >>frustrating trying to figure out how to do this from the Publisher
03
| > side or
| > | >>the IX hosting side. Do these people just assume everyone know the
| > | >>terminoligy or what? Why cant there just be a set of basic First you
| > do
| > this,
| > | >>then you do this, then you do this, instructions? I have read most
of
| > the
| > | >>info here on uploading your site but quite frankly its just as bad.
| > | >>This is what IX hosting says about uploading your site to their
| > server.
| > | >>Uploading Your Site
| > | >>Whenever possible, upload your site using the utilities that come
with
| > your
| > | >>web-site development software. For instance, if you made your site
| > with
| > | >>SiteStudio, FrontPage or Dreamweaver, use their integrated web
| > publishing
| > | >>tools.
| > | >>If you made your site with simple text editors, or if your
| > site-building
| > | >>software does not have a publishing utility, use freestanding FTP
| > clients,
| > | >>such as CuteFTP, SmartFTP, or the built in File Manager.
| > | >>
| > | >>Please note that site publishing tools do not remove your old web
| > content
| > | >>from the server. For instance, if you used SiteStudio to upload a
site
| > with
| > | >>15 pages and later you published an updated 7 page version of this
| > site,
| > your
| > | >>directory on the server will have all the new pages and the old
pages
| > that
| > | >>haven't been overwritten.
| > | >>If you publish many versions of the website, the site may become
| > cluttered
| > | >>with old files. Warning: If you have a complete website, be careful
| > not
| > to
| > | >>overwrite it with a publish command.
| > | >>
| > | >>Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead,
| > put
| > it
| > | >>to the specific directory. See below for more information.
| > | >>
| > | >>
| >
| >
|
|

 

[unofornaio]

DAVID-----wait...Ive been browsing some posts. I have publisher 2000
installed separately on my system since you clearly know more than me should
I just start over before I go any further with this in 2003? is it THAT much
better?

 

[Mike Koewler]

J.P.

I was being dead serious! I like the way it looks and the enticement it
offers. The background is great - the "only" thing I could nit-pick
about is that it is turned into a graphic, but that doesn't hurt
anything as there are no links in it.

A progressive jpg is akin to an interlaced gif. The browser loads a very
lo-res image of it and then it "progressively" gets better. I was trying
to find a program that saves as a progressive jpg but my search was
futile. I know there are some - maybe someone else knows. Irfranview
may, but I'm missing a plug-in to the newest version.

Mike

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Having only an image on your main page does hurt something...your SEO
position. Search engines can't read what's in an image.

Almost any image editor can save as a progressive...however, I'm not sure
how that would solve the op's question about transitioning an image.



--

Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage





| J.P.
|
| I was being dead serious! I like the way it looks and the enticement it
| offers. The background is great - the "only" thing I could nit-pick
| about is that it is turned into a graphic, but that doesn't hurt
| anything as there are no links in it.
|
| A progressive jpg is akin to an interlaced gif. The browser loads a very
| lo-res image of it and then it "progressively" gets better. I was trying
| to find a program that saves as a progressive jpg but my search was
| futile. I know there are some - maybe someone else knows. Irfranview
| may, but I'm missing a plug-in to the newest version.
|
| Mike
|
| unofornaio wrote:
|
| > Hey Mike,
| >
| > Are you bustin my balls or are you serious?..I know its not much but it
| > supposed to make the customer STOP and read it. If your serious thanks
for
| > the complement.
| > Please tell me more about what a progressive Jpg is and if I have to cut
off
| > my right arm to do it with publisher.
| > Thanks
| > J.P.
| > "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| >
| >
| >>Wow! One impressive home page - I'm like trying to figure out how to
| >>find more information.
| >>
| >>You could use Flash to create the effect you are looking for or perhaps
| >>a progressive jpg. My stats show that about 98 percent of visitors have
| >>Flash enabled, but the two percent who don't will not have any clue what
| >>is supposed to happen.
| >>
| >>Mike
| >>
| >>unofornaio wrote:
| >>
| >>>Hey all that helped, I got the site up (well the welcome page anyway)
check
| >>>it out at http://www.milansmarket.com
| >>>
| >>>My next step is to make this fade into the company logo and information
upon
| >>>clicking on it. No clue how to do that but I will look through the
other
| >>>posts. Suggestions and or comments on whats up and how to do what I
plan will
| >>>be appreciated. Dont hold back I can take it.
| >>>Thanks again
| >>>
| >>>"unofornaio" wrote:
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>>If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working
(major
| >>>>understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the
site to
| >>>>any search engines?? I have had the add for sometime its not a new
account.
| >>>>If you go to the site www.milansmarket.com it has the host compay info
and
| >>>>says this site is under construction. You know I dont know what is
more
| >>>>frustrating trying to figure out how to do this from the Publisher 03
side or
| >>>>the IX hosting side. Do these people just assume everyone know the
| >>>>terminoligy or what? Why cant there just be a set of basic First you
do this,
| >>>>then you do this, then you do this, instructions? I have read most of
the
| >>>>info here on uploading your site but quite frankly its just as bad.
| >>>>This is what IX hosting says about uploading your site to their
server.
| >>>>Uploading Your Site
| >>>>Whenever possible, upload your site using the utilities that come with
your
| >>>>web-site development software. For instance, if you made your site
with
| >>>>SiteStudio, FrontPage or Dreamweaver, use their integrated web
publishing
| >>>>tools.
| >>>>If you made your site with simple text editors, or if your
site-building
| >>>>software does not have a publishing utility, use freestanding FTP
clients,
| >>>>such as CuteFTP, SmartFTP, or the built in File Manager.
| >>>>
| >>>>Please note that site publishing tools do not remove your old web
content
| >>>
| >>>>from the server. For instance, if you used SiteStudio to upload a site
with
| >>>
| >>>>15 pages and later you published an updated 7 page version of this
site, your
| >>>>directory on the server will have all the new pages and the old pages
that
| >>>>haven't been overwritten.
| >>>>If you publish many versions of the website, the site may become
cluttered
| >>>>with old files. Warning: If you have a complete website, be careful
not to
| >>>>overwrite it with a publish command.
| >>>>
| >>>>Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead,
put it
| >>>>to the specific directory. See below for more information.
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>

 

[DavidF]

You are asking some open ended questions here, that will require some more
reading and planning on your part.

First of all you need to face the limitations of using a DTP to produce a
website. Publisher is ok for simple, small static websites, but it is not
the best program to produce a website...regardless of the version. As you
rethink which version to use, you should also rethink whether you should use
some other program entirely. If you have been reading the recent posts, you
will run across a discussion with a FrontPage MVP who argues that no one
should ever use Publisher to produce a website. It may be that you should
invest the time and money to buy and learn how to use the FrontPage
replacement Web Expression, or some other program specifically designed for
web development. Most of this depends on the goals for your website. If you
have some ambitious goals for your site, then you will probably outgrow
Publisher and eventually move to Web Expression. If you plan on KISS then
you can probably use Publisher.

The first article you should read: Using Publisher for web sites:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/articles/80566.aspx

Then you ask should you use Pub 2000 or 2003. Personally I prefer 2000, but
once again there are advantages and disadvantages to both. When MSFT adopted
Publisher into the Office family in Office 2002, they changed the html
coding engine in Publisher in a big way. There were a number of other
changes, so the next two articles you should read are:

Web Publication Changes Made in Version 2002 of Publisher:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/pages/81262.aspx

Publisher 2003 - What's new in web design for this version:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/pages/80555.aspx

One of the differences in the way Pub 2000 and 2003 can be seen in your
welcome page, or "splash page". You have constructed the page by overlapping
a text box with a fancy border with at least two images. You can layer
images and text like this in 2003, but Pub 2000 will convert all those
objects into one image. You can see this for yourself by opening a blank web
page in Pub 2000 and opening your publication in 2003. Then File > Select
All > Copy. Move to your Pub 2000 page and paste. Do a web page preview in
both and see if you can see the difference.

Also you should Publish to the Web with your Pub 2003 page, and direct the
output to a folder on your computer...I usually send to my Desktop so it is
easy to find and delete when I am done. Then in Pub 2000 do a Save As a web
page, and direct that output to another folder on your computer. Open the
folders and study the files. In Pub 2000 you will see that you have one GIF
file that includes all the text, border and the other two images. In 2003
you will see multiple files and perhaps multiple copies of the different
images in multiple formats and quality. This is because Publisher 2003 uses
VML. Oh and by the way, in Pub 2003, be sure to go to Tools > Options > Web
tab and uncheck "Rely on VML..." and "Allow PNG...", before you Publish to
the Web.

The use of VML in Pub 2003 web publications is one of the biggest
differences. When you insert an image into a Pub 2000 document and convert
to html, Publisher will make one copy of that image at the size of the
picture box and at 96 dpi. When you insert an image in Publisher 2003,
because of VML, Publisher can make multiple copies in various formats and
resolutions, such as PNG, GIF and JPG with the goal of serving up the best
image depending on what browser is used to view the site. You will get one
image with IE and another image with FireFox, for example. Once again you
should test this out for yourself, by downloading and installing FireFox.
http://en.www.mozilla.com/en/firefox/

Yes, I know, this probably sounds like a pain in the rear gear, but if you
are serious about wanting to build your own site, and even answering the
question about what program to use, then you will take this necessary step.
FF is a fairly small download, and installing it does not mean that you have
to use it instead of IE. Just be careful as you install it that you do not
make it the default browser.

Assuming that you have downloaded and installed FF, now open FF, File > Open
File and browse to the two Publisher folders you created earlier and open
the .htm file in the Pub 2003 folder and the .html file in the Pub 2000
folder. Compare within FF, and then compare to what you get in IE. In Pub
2000 what you see in FF will probably look just like what you get in IE.
Remember that by overlapping the images and the text Publisher converts to a
GIF. However, in FF, you should see an entirely different quality page. This
is because of VML and the way the Publisher html coding engine works.

What you just tested was the cross browser capability of the two programs.
Pub 2000 generally has better cross browser capability....but you can
workaround some of those differences in Pub 2003.

There are some more issues and differences to consider, but at this point I
am out of time, and you are probably already overloaded. Try to get FF
installed and do the comparisons and tests I have suggested, and I will add
more to this discussion later...perhaps this afternoon or evening. As I
said, there is no simple answer to your question as to whether to use Pub
2000 or 2003...or a different program entirely. What is important is take
some time now answering those questions and planning your site...and the
goals you have for your site. Time spent now educating yourself about your
options and planning your site will pay off in the future.

DavidF