User interface elements (title bar, etc) does not conform

A

Aleatoric

I'm largely impressed with the functionality of the Office 2007 product beta,
but there's on huge, glaring, major flaw: The title bar and menus should
conform to the theme/style that is in use for the rest of the Windows
applications. This nonsense of ignoring your own interface and programming
guidelines and presenting an interface that is vastly different from the rest
of the OS is pretty lame. If you feel you MUST create something that doesn't
fit in with the rest of the OS, you should at the very least provide the
option to present a compatible interface as well.

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A

Aleatoric

umm (yeah), you might want to check the system requirements for Office 2007,
which indicate that it is also targeted for XP (and Windows 2003). That means
it should conform to the interface guidelines for those systems when it runs
on those systems. Additionally, it doesn't appear to conform to the Vista
interface, either, as it apparently does not conform to the window interface
elements used by the rest of Vista.

The problem is that Office has *never* fully complied with the so-called
Windows interface guidelines, and there's not really any good reason for this
nonconformance. What's the point in having guidelines and common controls,
etc., if they're not going to be used by the flagship product?
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Um, because the Windows teams and the Office teams have different visions
that occasionally coincide but is not a requirement?

Yeah, I will stick with that answer.


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After furious head scratching, Aleatoric asked:

| umm (yeah), you might want to check the system requirements for
| Office 2007, which indicate that it is also targeted for XP (and
| Windows 2003). That means it should conform to the interface
| guidelines for those systems when it runs on those systems.
| Additionally, it doesn't appear to conform to the Vista interface,
| either, as it apparently does not conform to the window interface
| elements used by the rest of Vista.
|
| The problem is that Office has *never* fully complied with the
| so-called Windows interface guidelines, and there's not really any
| good reason for this nonconformance. What's the point in having
| guidelines and common controls, etc., if they're not going to be used
| by the flagship product?
|
| "matt" wrote:
|
|| umm this maybe because this is designed for a new OS - windows vista
|| isnt it
||
||
|| "Aleatoric" wrote:
||
||| I'm largely impressed with the functionality of the Office 2007
||| product beta, but there's on huge, glaring, major flaw: The title
||| bar and menus should conform to the theme/style that is in use for
||| the rest of the Windows applications. This nonsense of ignoring
||| your own interface and programming guidelines and presenting an
||| interface that is vastly different from the rest of the OS is
||| pretty lame. If you feel you MUST create something that doesn't fit
||| in with the rest of the OS, you should at the very least provide
||| the option to present a compatible interface as well.
|||
||| ----------------
||| This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
||| the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
||| click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see
||| the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the
||| Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the
||| message pane.
|||
|||
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N

Noozer

Aleatoric said:
I'm largely impressed with the functionality of the Office 2007 product
beta,
but there's on huge, glaring, major flaw: The title bar and menus should
conform to the theme/style that is in use for the rest of the Windows
applications. This nonsense of ignoring your own interface and programming
guidelines and presenting an interface that is vastly different from the
rest
of the OS is pretty lame. If you feel you MUST create something that
doesn't
fit in with the rest of the OS, you should at the very least provide the
option to present a compatible interface as well.
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Surprisingly, I like the new interface. Two suggestions though...

- Provide a way for users to turn it off. It *IS* different and *WILL*
confuse some folks.

- Get rid of the windows frame/titlebar/etc. and put the document into the
quick launch bar. No sense wasting the realestate with
 
A

Aleatoric

Oh, I'm quite sure that is the case. It isn't even that I dislike the Office
2007 interface, it's actually pretty decent. I just tend to be a bit of a
stickler for detail, and this is a detail that should at least have an option
to allow the use of standard interface elements.

I also occasionally use WindowBlinds to change the look of XP (and soon,
Vista), and an application ( or set of applications) that doesn't play well
sticks out like a sore thumb.

Different visions aside, if there's an interface guideline, then certainly
everyone (including the Office team) should conform to that guideline, or if
no one is going to conform, maybe the guideline should be compeletely
discarded, thereby allowing everyone to do whatever they want, even if it
breaks something.

Milly Staples said:
Um, because the Windows teams and the Office teams have different visions
that occasionally coincide but is not a requirement?

Yeah, I will stick with that answer.


--Â
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Aleatoric asked:

| umm (yeah), you might want to check the system requirements for
| Office 2007, which indicate that it is also targeted for XP (and
| Windows 2003). That means it should conform to the interface
| guidelines for those systems when it runs on those systems.
| Additionally, it doesn't appear to conform to the Vista interface,
| either, as it apparently does not conform to the window interface
| elements used by the rest of Vista.
|
| The problem is that Office has *never* fully complied with the
| so-called Windows interface guidelines, and there's not really any
| good reason for this nonconformance. What's the point in having
| guidelines and common controls, etc., if they're not going to be used
| by the flagship product?
|
| "matt" wrote:
|
|| umm this maybe because this is designed for a new OS - windows vista
|| isnt it
||
||
|| "Aleatoric" wrote:
||
||| I'm largely impressed with the functionality of the Office 2007
||| product beta, but there's on huge, glaring, major flaw: The title
||| bar and menus should conform to the theme/style that is in use for
||| the rest of the Windows applications. This nonsense of ignoring
||| your own interface and programming guidelines and presenting an
||| interface that is vastly different from the rest of the OS is
||| pretty lame. If you feel you MUST create something that doesn't fit
||| in with the rest of the OS, you should at the very least provide
||| the option to present a compatible interface as well.
|||
||| ----------------
||| This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
||| the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
||| click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see
||| the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the
||| Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the
||| message pane.
|||
|||
http://www.microsoft.com/office/com...-d73b559322e2&dg=microsoft.public.office.misc
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B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Aleatoric,

Be sure to send Microsoft your feedback directly using the 2007 Office system feedback tool from the link below.

You may also want to post comments to the Office User Interface Team blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh

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umm (yeah), you might want to check the system requirements for Office 2007,
which indicate that it is also targeted for XP (and Windows 2003). That means
it should conform to the interface guidelines for those systems when it runs
on those systems. Additionally, it doesn't appear to conform to the Vista
interface, either, as it apparently does not conform to the window interface
elements used by the rest of Vista.

The problem is that Office has *never* fully complied with the so-called
Windows interface guidelines, and there's not really any good reason for this
nonconformance. What's the point in having guidelines and common controls,
etc., if they're not going to be used by the flagship product? >>
--
I hope this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

Read about it, try it, or watch the movie :)
the 2007 Microsoft Office system iinfo is at
http://microsoft.com/office/preview

Already have 2007 Office System Beta 2?
Send Microsoft your feedback (with pictures)
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/
 
A

Aleatoric

Thanks, I've already done this :eek:)



Bob Buckland ?:-) said:
Hi Aleatoric,

Be sure to send Microsoft your feedback directly using the 2007 Office system feedback tool from the link below.

You may also want to post comments to the Office User Interface Team blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh

==========
umm (yeah), you might want to check the system requirements for Office 2007,
which indicate that it is also targeted for XP (and Windows 2003). That means
it should conform to the interface guidelines for those systems when it runs
on those systems. Additionally, it doesn't appear to conform to the Vista
interface, either, as it apparently does not conform to the window interface
elements used by the rest of Vista.

The problem is that Office has *never* fully complied with the so-called
Windows interface guidelines, and there's not really any good reason for this
nonconformance. What's the point in having guidelines and common controls,
etc., if they're not going to be used by the flagship product? >>
--
I hope this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP


Read about it, try it, or watch the movie :)
the 2007 Microsoft Office system iinfo is at
http://microsoft.com/office/preview

Already have 2007 Office System Beta 2?
Send Microsoft your feedback (with pictures)
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/
Click to expand...
 
J

Jake

LOL you said send them feed back HHAHAHAHAHAHAA office team hardly ever
listen to us about more important stuff in office than just the theme to make
it match the OS theme HAHAHAA
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Jake,

Ummmm, you did notice that you were replying to a message from May 2006 that was related to the then new Office 2007 beta version,
eh?

FWIW, there were changes made to the specifics of the interface through the different Office 2007 pre-release versions from the
feedback received during the beta :)
===========
LOL you said send them feed back HHAHAHAHAHAHAA office team hardly ever
listen to us about more important stuff in office than just the theme to make it match the OS theme HAHAHAA>>
--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
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