visio for enterprise architects


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naga_4u24

I want to know, is there any edition in visio 2007 for enterprise architects.

please let me know
 
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Al Edlund

the latest version of vEA is in vs2005, and I believe that it is still
visio10 (which is v2003).
al
 
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Dnax

I can not edit the field description in some of my documents in Microsoft
Visio for Enterprise Architects. I am using a UML model.

Someone could help me?
 
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Barb Way

Actually, Visio11 is Visio 2003, and Visio10 is Visio 2002. The Visio 2002
based version of VEA was bundled with VS.Net, and the Visio 2003 based
version is bundled with VS2005.

There is no Visio 2007 (Visio12) version of VEA, and Visual Studio 2008
will not include any bundled version of VEA at all.


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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lessimsjr

Are there plans to either allow VEA for 2003 to point to 2008 projects or
produce a VEA 2007 for VS2008?
 
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Barb Way

"Are there plans to either allow VEA for 2003 to point to 2008 projects or
produce a VEA 2007 for VS2008?"

There are no plans to produce a VEA 2007. The entry point for UML modeling
/ Reverse Engineering was in Visual Studio, and will not be present in
VS2008, so that feature will not function.

You can continue to use VEA2003 to edit drawings (both UML and DB models),
and database modeling should continue to work, with the caveat that any new
datatypes added since it released may / may not be reverse engineered.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
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David Parker

Barb,

Is there an official announcement of this depreciation?
Can we have the Database Reports and Forward Engineering put back into
Professional then?
 
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Barb Way

I have not found a public link on this yet, will post here as soon as I do.
There is no firm update on what *will* happen to the solutions, but there
is Not going to be a new version of VEA in the next release of Visual
Studio - that is a fact.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
 
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Al Edlund

Thank you ma'am,
hopefully we can talk about this off-line in February,
al
 
A

Allen

Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases?

Should we assume that Microsoft is getting out if the Database Schema
Modeling market?
 
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Mark Nelson [MS]

Microsoft has now posted an official statement on VEA - in the form of a
PowerPoint deck explaining what VEA is, what it ships with or doesn't ship
with and what options exist for working with similar functionality.

http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt

I'm trying to distill this down into a concise article for the blog, but I
can summarize a couple points:

- Visual Studio 2008 does not include any version of VEA
- The most recent version of VEA (shipping in Visual Studio 2005) is based
on the Visio 2003 product
- There is not a comparable VEA version for the Visio 2007 product
- The essential parts of VEA that do not exist in Visio 2007 are forward
engineering of databases and code generation from UML

Visual Studio 2008 still has capabilities in this space around database and
software modeling, so Microsoft is by no means getting out of the market.
The statement here is that VEA is not the tool at this time. The slide deck
provides factual information, but does not discuss on the rationale for the
changes.

--
Mark Nelson
Office Graphics - Visio
Microsoft Corporation

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Allen

Why won't you and/or MS give us a straight answer to the question:

*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*

Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you trying
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS solution?

Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Barb Way

We cannot tell you which alternative product will work best for you, and
meet your criteria for price / features, etc. That is a selection that
each developer / database designer must make for themselves.

None of the alternatives mentioned in the presentation are provided by
Microsoft, so we cannot tell you which you should consider converting to.

Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

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From: =?Utf-8?B?QWxsZW4=?= <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: visio for enterprise architects
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:16:02 -0800
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Why won't you and/or MS give us a straight answer to the question:

*Then what product will Microsoft be offieing in VS 2008 to reverse
engineer,
edit, and then generate Databases.*

Why is it now my responsibility to determine a replacement? Are you trying
to frustrate your customes and make it more difficult to deliver MS
solution?

Just give us a straight answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Allen

*I’m not asking you to choose a product for me.* I’m asking you (MS) to
explain what other MS product(s) can replace the particular functionality I
have been asking about. *So I can choose for myself!*

I can’t make an informed decision if MS won’t answer my question.
 
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Barb Way

Sorry that I was not more clear. There are no other Microsoft products
which replace the advanced database and software modeling features of VEA.
The linked presentation discusses third party applications which integrate
with Visual Studio, and includes some feature level comparisons...
(http://www.visiotoolbox.com/downloads/MSFT_VEA_.ppt)


Barb Way
Product Support - Visio
Microsoft Corporation
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

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*I’m not asking you to choose a product for me.* I’m asking you (MS) to
explain what other MS product(s) can replace the particular functionality I
have been asking about. *So I can choose for myself!*

I can’t make an informed decision if MS won’t answer my question.


Barb Way said:
We cannot tell you which alternative product will work best for you, and
meet your criteria for price / features, etc. That is a selection that
each developer / database designer must make for themselves.

None of the alternatives mentioned in the presentation are provided by
Microsoft, so we cannot tell you which you should consider converting to.
 
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Allen

It is said the MS has chosen to abandon the DB modeling market. They have
also abandoned me and thousands of others who have almost a decade of
experience with Visio as DB modeling tool. The Value of the MSDN Subscription
has been greatly diminished and so are my skills as a DB architect because
I’m skilled in a DEAD END product. To add insult to injury I now have to pay
more money to someone else for a tool that has always been part of some
version of the MSDN subscription.

Thank you very much Microsoft. You talk about how your partner with you
MCPs, MCTs, and Partners, but I guess that’s only talk or applies in only one
direction.
 
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Huminance

I also like to know especially we are evaluating your Visual Studio 2008 -
Team Suite (VSTS). Many of the forums mentionned that Visio Enterprise
Architects is available with the VSTS. Then I just talk to Microsoft Canadian
sales support and they tell me it requires also the MSDN license.

So is right? It is available or not? Second will it be just a toy or a
formal and complete UML modeling tool with animation, validation and code
generation as well as reverse engineering

It feels like it only would be a toy without too much capacity and automated
integration.

Please Barb help me making the right business decision or it is clear we go
with IBM Rational modeling tool or other companies

Jocelyn Duquette, Huminance R&D VP
418-204-5030

Can anyone else help?
 
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