When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two

[Peter Olcott]

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in
most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to
some other news servers.

 

[Peter Olcott]

I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would
consider it not worth worrying about.

 

[Peter Olcott]

It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same
thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to
this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

Does this problem appear on other computers?

 

[Peter Olcott]

I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do this
MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I think that
it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point.
It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this same font.

Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same
thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to
this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they
were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about
Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it
appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it
doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule
out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do
this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I
think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New
Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of
this same font.

Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the
same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an
answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue
or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.


I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been
set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not
present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it
is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though
not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might
try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be
propagated to
some other news servers.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman
that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[Peter Olcott]

I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they
were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about
Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it
appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it doesn't,
they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule out a
setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same computer,
and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have this problem?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do
this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I
think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New
Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of this
same font.

Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the
same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an
answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or
an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.


I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been
set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated
to
some other news servers.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

If I could answer questions like that, do you think I'd be giving free
support? Let me answer that - no. I'd be charging big bucks and then I
wouldn't have to worry about whether my husband's vehicle will make it thru
the winter.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and
they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking
about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it
appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it
doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to
rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same
computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not
have this problem?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not
do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver
issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New
Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of
this same font.


Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do
the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must
have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue
or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I
would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.


I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has
been set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not
present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to
the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when
a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but
it is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though
not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might
try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and
.word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be
propagated to
some other news servers.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman
that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we
CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not
happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers
on which I have tried it.

As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something
peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and
they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking
about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it
appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it
doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to
rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same
computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not
have this problem?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not
do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver
issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New
Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of
this same font.


Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do
the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must
have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue
or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I
would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.


I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has
been set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not
present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to
the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when
a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but
it is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though
not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might
try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and
.word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be
propagated to
some other news servers.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman
that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT
monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings
Peter is using.

Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore.

While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we
CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not
happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers
on which I have tried it.

As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something
peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and
they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking
about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it
appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it
doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to
rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same
computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not
have this problem?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not
do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver
issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New
Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of
this same font.


Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do
the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must
have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue
or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I
would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.


I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has
been set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not
present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to
the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when
a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but
it is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though
not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might
try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and
.word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be
propagated to
some other news servers.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman
that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[Peter Olcott]

(1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I have is
identical to this one.
(2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display driver.
(3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that you can't see it
unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times.

While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we CAN
rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not
happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers on
which I have tried it.

As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something
peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and they
were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking about
Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it
appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it
doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to rule
out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same
computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not have
this problem?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not do
this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver issue. I
think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New
Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of
this same font.


Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the
same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an
answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or
an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.


I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been
set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not
present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it
is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though
not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might
try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated
to
some other news servers.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman
that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[Peter Olcott]

Try a 1600% zoom and see if you can see this on {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic,
24-Point} "fff". It works fine if its not italic, as soon as you change to
italic the first "f" is exactly one pixel closer to the second "f" than the
third "f". *** NOTE *** You can't use MS Word Zoom, this does not actually
enlarge the pixels, it only changes the point size displayed on the screen. I
use another program to copy the bitmap image of the screen. Then I use a third
program to view this bitmap image.

Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT
monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings
Peter is using.

Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore.

While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we
CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not
happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers
on which I have tried it.

As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something
peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and
they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking
about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it
appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it
doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to
rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same
computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not
have this problem?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not
do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver
issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New
Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of
this same font.


Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do
the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must
have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue
or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I
would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.


I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has
been set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not
present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to
the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when
a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but
it is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though
not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might
try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and
.word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be
propagated to
some other news servers.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman
that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[Peter Olcott]

I tried it again using {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic, 24-point}
I tried this typing "fff fff fff" and the problem did not occur on the
first "fff", only the second one and the third one.

It can be seen on the screen without pixel magnification. The right side of the
cross line "t" portion of the first "f" is one pixel away from the the left side
of the cross line "t" portion of the second "f" whereas this same distance
between the seond "f" and the third "f" is two pixels.

Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT
monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings
Peter is using.

Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore.

While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we
CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it does not
happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers
on which I have tried it.

As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something
peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and
they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking
about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer? *IF* it
appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it
doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to
rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same
computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not
have this problem?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not
do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver
issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in Times New
Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic form of
this same font.


Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do
the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must
have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue
or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I
would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has
been set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not
present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to
the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when
a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but
it is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though
not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might
try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and
.word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be
propagated to
some other news servers.

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman
that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[LC Killingbeck]

(1) I can't try it on another computer. The only other computer that I
have is identical to this one.
(2) The reasoning that I provided proves that it can't be the display
driver. (3) I am talking about a difference that is small enough that
you can't see it unless you look at the pixels enlarged sixteen times.

(snipped massive quotes and indentations)

Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about
1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters
slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When
viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be
non-uniform.

If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to
a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties,
and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend
on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if
your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73
pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from
the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second
down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite
resolution" display.

I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question.
Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that
hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation
results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any
Word versus Notepad difference.

How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by
the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any
display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice
any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic.

Lynn Killingbeck

 

[Peter Olcott]

(snipped massive quotes and indentations)

Might well be that the "right" placement of the characters is about
1/2 of a pixel. As a result, rounding will move some characters
slightly to the left, and others slightly to the right. When
viewed with your particular maginfying glass, the spacing will be
non-uniform.

It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first set
of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of "fff" in
Ms Word.

If so, there is likely nothing you can really do about it. Change to
a different screen resolution will change the rounding properties,
and might fix this (or might make it worse!), and could well depend
on just where across the screen the characters are shown. But, if
your "ideal" display needs to place a character to begin 10.73
pixels from the left edge, and the next character 17.21 pixels from
the left edge - they are going to round the first up and the second
down, and move them closer together than your "ideal, infinite
resolution" display.

I'll call it a display hardware and/or display driver question.
Depending on _exactly_ how a particular software package uses that
hardware and that driver, can easily show different presentation
results, when view with your microscope. That likely explains any
Word versus Notepad difference.

How does all this print on something like a 600 DPI printer, by
the way? Printer resolutions are vastly more refined than any
display, so you will need a more powerful microscope to notice
any non-uniform spacing caused by rounding in the arithmetic.

Printouts look perfect.

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row?

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If I type three sets of "fff," I see more space between the first two f's in
the first group than in the other two and more space between the last two
f's in the last group than in the other two, which seems to confirm that
this is probably a rounding error. You still haven't told us why this is so
vital to you.

I tried it again using {Times New Roman, Bold, Italic, 24-point}
I tried this typing "fff fff fff" and the problem did not occur on the
first "fff", only the second one and the third one.

It can be seen on the screen without pixel magnification. The right side of the
cross line "t" portion of the first "f" is one pixel away from the the left side
of the cross line "t" portion of the second "f" whereas this same distance
between the seond "f" and the third "f" is two pixels.

Well, it doesn't happen for me at 100% Zoom on a 17" Trinitron-type Dell CRT
monitor at 1024 x 768. We don't know what kind of equipment and settings
Peter is using.

Perhaps it would help to know why this is an issue he cannot ignore.

While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I think that we
CAN rule it out as being an MS Word issue as you suggest because it

does
not

happen in MS Word for either Suzanne, JoAnn, or the two different computers
on which I have tried it.

As a result, the only conclusion that I can draw is that it is something
peculiar to your setup - hardware or drivers.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP


I've had issues with Publisher that didn't occur in other programs and
they were video driver issues. And before you say that you are talking
about Word,not Publisher, those two program do share certain "quirks".

I will ask again - did you look at the file on another computer?

*IF*
it

appears on that computer as well, then it could be a ligature.*IF* it
doesn't, they it could be a video driver issue. Sometimes you need to
rule out a setting on your computer before you go blaming the program.

How could it possibly be a video driver issue if notepad on the same
computer, and Non-italic in the same font on the same computer does not
have this problem?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]




I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.

I am 100% certain that it is not a video driver issue. Notepad does not
do this MS Word does this. This proves that it is not a video driver
issue. I think that it might be a ligature issue. It occurs in

Times
New

Roman-Bold-Italic-24 Point. It does not occur in the Non-Italic

form
of

this same font.


Does this problem appear on other computers?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do
the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must
have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore.

If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue
or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I
would
consider it not worth worrying about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has
been set
up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not
present
in

It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to
the
on-screen
image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when
a
screen
capture is made and the pixels are examined.

most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but
it is
available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though
not
necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might
try
asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
NG.

Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and
.word.general)
have
been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be
propagated to
some other news servers.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman
that
the
first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters?

Thanks

 

[Peter Olcott]

I gotta ask - what word are you using that has three f's in a row?

First of all it is three sets of three f's--->"fff fff fff"
The problem only arises on the send and third set.
{Times New Roman---Bold---Italic---24 Point}
Two different computers, one at BestBuy and one here.
MS Word 97 and MS Word 2000, same problem.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

It is uniform in MS Publisher 98, MS Paint, MS NotePad, and even the first
set of "fff" in MS Word, it is only non-uniform in the subsequent sets of
"fff" in Ms Word.


Printouts look perfect.