Why help?

I

infoman

We all help each other with sticky problems. Some are abusing this
sharing of ideas.

Several requests for help have come from one person, Ken Ivins, asking
how to solve his problems. He holds himself as a professional, has a
company and website, and charges others for his work
http://www.kivins.com. Then he comes here asking for free help.

A couple of times, fine. But this person is making his living from us
doing his work.

Maybe he should go to school and learn the way we did. I put money and
sweat to acquire what I know. I share with people who don't take
advantage of me.

How do others feel?
 
K

KL

Hi infoman,

Just two things:

1) Don't you think you are committing an abuse by posting this off-topic
(and potentially a troll) in three different threads?
2) I guess you can't reasonably prove in the virtual environmente, where we
all are, neither that the guy you are taking shots at is making his businees
solely based on the help he gets here nor the fact that you paid and sweated
to learn what you learnt.
3) I believe that, with a few exceptions, most of the people who ask
questions here are in some way earning their living with Excel and that is
OK
4) Providing help here is totally voluntary and by participating you in a
sense renounce any ownership for the ideas you share (unless you explicitly
patent them and warn people about the copyright)

Regards,
KL
 
J

JE McGimpsey

infoman said:
How do others feel?
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If you don't want to give someone help, then don't.

Otherwise I think you should lay off the personal attacks, especially
since you're not giving your name, and, in at least one post are hiding
behind an anonymous mail server, and in this post are essentially
anonymous, other than being a "junior member" at a web portal.

It strikes me that you're being particularly cowardly, whereas the OP is
being up front about asking for help.

That's how I feel. I don't presume to speak for anyone else (but I do
give my real name and email address).
 
B

Bob Phillips

Just to add, I can only see something like 16 posts in 3 years from this
guy. This hardly seems over-doing it to me.

I have helped many people here who openly admit to being Excel trainers,
Office consultants or whatever, and I do not feel bothered or cheated by it
in any way. so what's the beef?

Bob
 
M

Mangus Pyke

Just to add, I can only see something like 16 posts in 3 years from this
guy. This hardly seems over-doing it to me.

I have helped many people here who openly admit to being Excel trainers,
Office consultants or whatever, and I do not feel bothered or cheated by it
in any way. so what's the beef?
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Those who teach must also learn.

MP-
 
A

Alan

3) I believe that, with a few exceptions, most of the people who ask
questions here are in some way earning their living with Excel and that is
OK

That is true I believe, I certainly do and a lot of the help I've been given
by experts on this group have done my career no harm at all! I really thank
them all for it.
Regards,
Alan.
 
C

CLR

Google only shows me 3 posts form "infoman", and none of them are offering
any help to any body.......only griping. Exactly what is it you think you
should be paid for?

I earn my living by Excel, and when I need help this is the first place I
come, and when I have spare time, I come here to help others.

This system is good........

Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3
 
B

Barb Reinhardt

I first came to this group to get assistance with some "sticky Excel
problem" (to me). To others, it was easy. Why not benefit from other's
experience rather than reinvent the wheel?

I come back for two reasons:
1 - I learn from other's questions. I've learned more about excel just by
helping others.
2 - I can't just take from a group like this, I need to give back when I
can.
 
K

Kassie

I may not be an expert in Excel, but I enjoy the privilege of being able to
help other people wherever I can. I also enjoy reading all the questions and
answers given by those who know more than me. According to you, I shouldn't.

Clearly you are extremely jealous of this guy, who had the guts to start a
business!. Unlike you, he will continue to gain knowledge and experience, as
he is not afraid to ask for help! You on the other hand seem to believe that
since you "went to school", you know everything. I don't think so.

In any case, I've never come across posts from you helping others. Why
don't you rather take your example from people like the Bob,s Debrah's,
McGimpsey's et al, too many to mention here, and live and let live.

It is so true, no one forces you to participate in this forum, no one asks
you to participate in this forum, and no one will shed one single tear if you
do not participate! Com on man.
 
K

Kassie

Oh yes, I went and had a look at his website. He makes money out of
designing Access databases, so I do not see anything wrong with him asking
about Excel.
Maybe you should also get the guts to use your real name, especially when
you attack innocent people, who help to make this usergroup the pleasure that
it is.
 
M

Mangus Pyke

Oh yes, I went and had a look at his website. He makes money out of
designing Access databases, so I do not see anything wrong with him asking
about Excel.
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Though admittedly, he should be shot for charging his clients
$295/year for web hosting.

::chuckle::

MP-
 
K

Kassie

Hi Mangus

lol

There I agree, but I think it is his right to charge what he wants. It is
also our choice to pay, or rather not to pay those rates!
 
M

Mangus Pyke

Hi Mangus

lol

There I agree, but I think it is his right to charge what he wants. It is
also our choice to pay, or rather not to pay those rates!
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True indeed.

I just feel horrible for the people that know no better and accept
such services. Hosting is $5/mo for a fairly decent amount of storage
these days. That means he's essentially charging $290 month to
facilitate the act of hosting them..

But, as you mentioned, it's his right to charge what he wants.

:)

MP-
 
B

Bob Phillips

I just feel horrible for the people that know no better and accept
such services. Hosting is $5/mo for a fairly decent amount of storage
these days. That means he's essentially charging $290 month to
facilitate the act of hosting them..
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That's capitalism.

And you might want to re-do your math.
 
M

Mangus Pyke

"Mangus Pyke" wrote in message

That's capitalism.

And you might want to re-do your math.
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Oops, he's charging $295 per year, not monthly. Thank you!

And it's not capitalism, it's robbery.

Capitalism is charging $20 for the $5 hosting package, not $235.

MP-
 
B

Bob Phillips

And it's not capitalism, it's robbery.

Capitalism is charging $20 for the $5 hosting package, not $235.
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No capitalism is charging what the market will pay.

Robbery is when you take something from someone that they don't want to
give.
 
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