YES! ON 2010

[minimus]

Well well well

It has arrived and looks quite sleek to me. Many things improved.

- Search is much much better and faster. Actually it does not take any
search time. As you write start to enter the keyword, ON immediately gives
search results. Impressive really.
- I really like the ribbon. The commands now look very organized.
- It is now easy to move the sections by dragging and dropping them wherever
you want.

There are many more pluses that I will not count.

But I am disappointed that you still cannot set a global template. I don't
understand. This was one of the most requested features and it is still not
there. What is so difficult to make it?

I also don't know how sync is. I used to have sync problems when updating my
ON files on my usb stick. Hope there is some improvement there.

But I like the new ON. I actually liked it very much. I will see how it will
go in the next days but for the moment it looks really good and inviting one
to work on it.

My most favorite program ON!

 

[Daniel Escapa [MSFT]]

Setting a global template is much harder than you realize and we want to try
and do this in a future version of OneNote but we don't have it in OneNote
2010 currently.


Well well well
It has arrived and looks quite sleek to me. Many things improved.

- Search is much much better and faster. Actually it does not take any
search time. As you write start to enter the keyword, ON immediately gives
search results. Impressive really.
- I really like the ribbon. The commands now look very organized.
- It is now easy to move the sections by dragging and dropping them wherever
you want.

There are many more pluses that I will not count.

But I am disappointed that you still cannot set a global template. I don't
understand. This was one of the most requested features and it is still not
there. What is so difficult to make it?

I also don't know how sync is. I used to have sync problems when updating my
ON files on my usb stick. Hope there is some improvement there.

But I like the new ON. I actually liked it very much. I will see how it will
go in the next days but for the moment it looks really good and inviting one
to work on it.

My most favorite program ON!

 

[John Waller]

Daniel,

Setting a global template is much harder than you realize and we want

to try and do this in a future version of OneNote but we don't have it
in OneNote 2010 currently.

That's a shame. I've been waiting for a global template since 2005.

Regards

John Waller

 

[Meer]

Do you have to uninstall OneNote 2007 before installing the 2010 beta
version?

 

[John Guin [msft]]

No - it upgrades existing ON 2007 installs.

 

[minimus]

Setting a global template is much harder than you realize and we want to
try and do this in a future version of OneNote but we don't have it in
OneNote 2010 currently.

Ok, I understand that it is more difficult than what I can imagine. But
there has been some time since this is a popular request. And it is rather a
fundamental issue whose improvement would have made the user's life much
easier. I think people will hope to see this in the next office service pack
rather than in the next version of ON.

Since I got this chance of having a direct conversation here with a
specialist (Daniel), I would like to mention a concern that most people, who
feed back via Connect, share, I think. We leave feedback at Connect and have
no response. The only response is a new version of ON where we wait for a
long time and see if our feedback has been read. I think On developers can
provide some feedback to the feedbacks. For example, if users request the
global template at Connect, why not to give a short answer as you did here:
Just tell with a sentence that it is more difficult than we can imagine so
we will need to wait for a while. Then we know if our voice is heard. I
myself am a very heavy user of ON and I am excited using it every day. Then
I go to connect and leave feedback. Such a person who is excited about ON
wishes that his voice is heard and there is communication for improvement of
ON. I think the 'Connect' idea is very good but it is not mutual. We are
connected to you, which is great, but you are not connected to us, which is
frustrating. Surely you are all busy, but we are too. In our businesses, we
should keep our brains alive for the improvement of ON. This is what you
want, and this is what we want.

Please let me express my appreciation and congratulations for the new
version of ON. Apart from the issues, it is a great improvement and looks
and feels very good.

Greetings from a ON fan.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

- I really like the ribbon. The commands now look very organized.

Having used the TP since it was available, I must say that these praises
do not apply when using a TabletPC.
There have been many discussions on this issue in the TP newsgroup.
Too bad that MS does not give us the option to use customized toolbars.

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

No - it upgrades existing ON 2007 installs.

Dies this also apply to the 2010 TP version?
I think to remember that previously we had been told that the TP has to
be un-installed.

Rainald

 

[minimus]

Having used the TP since it was available, I must say that these praises
do not apply when using a TabletPC.
There have been many discussions on this issue in the TP newsgroup.
Too bad that MS does not give us the option to use customized toolbars.

The ribbon is customizable. You can hide it, relocate the buttons. Ok maybe
you cannot make it smaller... But then you can also put commands on the
quick acess toolbar. So what is the problem?

 

[Rainald Taesler]

: in message

The ribbon is customizable.

Only to a very small extent (adding a custom Tab) That's it.

You can hide it,
Right.

relocate the buttons.

Which buttons?

Ok maybe you cannot make it smaller... But then you can
also put commands on the quick acess toolbar.

Right. Been there done that. Long ago ;-) ;-)

So what is the problem?

Quite some problems remain.
Too many to talk about in a short reply :-( :-(

Rainald

 

[Erik Sojka]

I imagine that a global template would be difficult with multiple users of
a given Notebook.

 

[Erik Sojka]

You shouldn't have to. You can either have the ON2010 installer upgrade
your ON2007 installation or install it to a different directory and run
both versions.

 

[Erik Sojka]

That's different. The 2010TP needs to be uninstalled. 2007 is supported
as a direct upgrade path.

 

[Erik Sojka]

What do you see missing from Connect? Bug reports are responded to (even
if you don't like the answer) and there are several MS folks on the COnnect
newsgroups.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I imagine that a global template would be difficult with multiple
users of a given Notebook.

Although I trust Daniel's explanation that it would not have been easy
to implement that, I do not think that *this* would be a problem.

a) Pages with templates do show fine for users of shared notebooks.

b) The settings *now* can be transferred to other machines (one of the
big steps forward <!>).
So AFAICS it would be easy to distribute (aa) the templates and (bb) the
setting for which template would be the default for those participating
in a group using shared notebooks.

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

You shouldn't have to. You can either have the ON2010 installer
upgrade your ON2007 installation or install it to a different
directory and run both versions.

I did not yet install the Beta (still running the TP).
But with the ON2010 TP it was possible to run ON2007 and ON2010
side-by-side without problems and using the very same notebooks
(different from Outlook which behaves along the line: "Thou shalt not
have any Gods besides Me!" <g>).
With some functions ON2010 TP was predominant (the "Send to OneNote
printer, the TaskTray icon), but not a single conflict, whatsoever.

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

John Guin [msft] wrote:

Do you have to uninstall OneNote 2007 before installing the 2010
beta version?

No - it upgrades existing ON 2007 installs.

Does this also apply to the 2010 TP version?
I think to remember that previously we had been told that the TP has
to be un-installed.

That's different. The 2010TP needs to be uninstalled.

Thanks for the info.

2007 is supported as a direct upgrade path.

An upgrade path or "side-by-side" as with ON2010 TP and ON2007??

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

What do you see missing from Connect?

A lot! At least the ON section is terribly dead.
I am at least as disappointed as "minimus" is.

Bug reports are responded to

????
When have you last been there and checked progress on bug-reports ad
especially suggestions?
Could you name any examples from the last year?

(even if you don't like the answer)

That's not the question!!
The problem is that one shouts in the fog and no echo at all. {siiigh}

I think that without any doubt I have been the one who most often sent
folks to connect.
But I gave that up (just like quite some others).

and there are several MS folks on the COnnect newsgroups.

Which Newsgroups?
Are there any "Connect" Newsgroups for ON?
In case you might know any, would you mind sharing the info?

Well, there *were* special exclusive NGs for the TP (Connectnews). Nut
the were closed on the very same day the Beta was available.
And there still are verrrrry exclusive NGs for the participants of the
*Technical*Beta*, access to which not even the TP-participants were
granted. :-( :-(

Now there are several "forum" places but no NGs (which makes a whole lot
of a difference <!!>).
And no structures for specialized feedback and direct communications
with the developers in sight.

If you should have more insight than Me, pls let Me know.

Rainald

 

[John Waller]

What do you see missing from Connect?

Since you ask Eric: Feedback.

I have seen none.

It's a big black hole for suggestions. That's why I've stopped taking it
seriously as a place for dialogue with Microsoft.

Regards

John Waller

 

[minimus]

What do you see missing from Connect?

Feedback to feedbacks. me and many others wondered for months about a global
template and other wishes. Do we get any response at connect?

Bug reports are responded to
Where?

(even > if you don't like the answer) and there are several MS folks on
the COnnect newsgroups.

What is a Connect newsgroup? I only know the website that I sign in with my
passport id and send feedback. And I did this I think about 7 times. Could
you let me know about the newsgroup? The name of it?