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|I use glue.
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| --
| Don
| "May your shadow be found in happy places." (Native North American)
|
|
| | > This is getting silly, but again ask yourself why I would take the time
to
| > make all of this up?
| >
| > I am neither a carpenter or a scientist, so I may not be able to explain
| > the
| > science well or accurately, but let's try a little. First of all, I
don't
| > believe there is any such thing as kinetic heat. There is kinetic energy
| > developed by raising a hammer (or a 2 X 4), and coming down on a nail.
The
| > wood resists that downward energy, which converts the kinetic energy
into
| > heat in the nail. If you apply enough downward force, you overcome the
| > resistance of the wood, and the nail is driven downward, or the kinetic
| > energy is converted into movement instead of heat. If you continue to
hit
| > a
| > nail without driving it downward, as might happen when trying to nail
hard
| > wood, then you have a build up of heat, which causes a "softening" of
the
| > metal, or "plastic deformation" that allows the nail to bend (see
| > reference
| > below). It then follows that the fewer times you strike a nail, with
the
| > greatest force, the less likely the nail is to bend.
| >
| > Yes, striking a nail at the wrong angle will bend a nail. However, have
| > you
| > ever had the occasion where you have been driving a nail into a hard
| > surface
| > (a good example other than hardwood, would be concrete), and though you
| > have
| > hit the nail squarely each time, it still bends somewhere in the middle
of
| > the nail, rather than at the surface which is what happens when you
strike
| > the nail at the wrong angle? The nail bent in the middle because of the
| > metal "softening".
| >
| > Think about the power drivers that are available today that drive small
| > nails, and even staples. If you were to take the those nails or staples,
| > you
| > would probably find it hard to impossible to drive them without bending
if
| > you used a hammer. They don't bend with the power drivers because of the
| > extreme "kinetic" energy...the force they apply in one "strike". The
| > principle is the same...the 2 X 4 can apply a lot more force to the nail
| > in
| > one strike than a hammer, which helps prevent the bending of the nail.
| >
| > Here are three references: ( I don't have more time to waste)
| > "Describe the forces acting between the nail and hammer during the
| > collision
| > between the two"
| >
http://rabi.phys.virginia.edu/106/2000/ps10a.html
| > Hammer action : "...To avoid bending nails, drive them home by using as
| > few
| > blows as possible,..
| >
http://iafrica.com/diy/repairs/909602.htm
| > And:
| >
http://www.chaosscience.org.uk/pub/public_html//article.php?story=2004101420
| > 0639313
| >
| > Now, you do a lot of remodeling I believe, so you probably have some 2 X
| > 4s
| > laying around. If you don't have any hardwood, then just use another 2 X
4
| > instead, and try it. It will still work. As for me...yes I have done
this
| > a
| > number of times to prove it to people...and to win bets, but I am sure
not
| > going to make a film to prove it. I have already wasted way too much
time
| > on
| > this silly conversation. I know I am speaking the truth, and you can
| > continue to call me a liar if you want. But before you do, I would
suggest
| > that you simply try it.
| >
| > color me gone....DavidF
| >
| > | >> David,
| >>
| >> > I thought I was finished.... I guess you would have lost the bet that
| > day
| >> > too. Why in the world would I make this up? First of all we were not
| > using
| >> > 16 penny nails to nail the floor...we were using finishing nails in
the
| > side
| >> > and note that this was about 30 years ago before air tools were even
| >> > available.
| >> Who mentioned air tools? I "know" electrically driven drills were
| >> available then - I used them.
| >> We didn't even have one of those "impact drivers" that you hit
| >> > with a mallet. My father used the 16 penny just for the bet, and it
was
| >> > right through the top of at piece of scrap, laying on the ground .
Part
| > of
| >> > what makes a nail bend is the kinetic energy transmitted to the metal
| >> > in
| > the
| >> > form of heat from beating on it multiple times with the hammer.
| >>
| >> Good grief - what makes a nail bend has absolutely nothing to do with
| >> kinetic heat - it has to do with striking it at the wrong angle. It's
| >> apparent you are not a carpenter.
| >> It actually
| >> > softens the metal. Have you ever touched a nail after it has
bent...its
| > hot.
| >> > The whole trick of why it worked, and I have repeated it myself, is
| >> > that
| > by
| >> > using all the force of the 2 X 4 in one strike, keeps the nail from
| > bending.
| >> Oh, I see. According to the World According to DavidF, hitting a nail
| >> with a hammer produces kinetic heat which causes a nail to bend, but
| >> hitting it with a board doesn't which means the nail will go straight
| >> in? Do you sell bridges for a living? Or land?
| >>
| >> > Try it and them come back and apologize for accusing me of lying.
| >>
| >> Try it yourself and then come back and apologize for posting false
| >> analogies. Go ahead. Film it. I'll even allow you to start the nail
| >> (remember - this is a 16 penny nail) in the oak board. Then, take your
| >> 2x4. Take one swing. Film it so us unbelievers can witness a miracle.
| >>
| >> David, your story has more holes than a sieve. A piece of scrap, laying
| >> on the ground. A 3.5" nail. An oak board. Using a piece of wood to
drive
| >> the nail completely through it with one swing.
| >>
| >> Should I submit your tale to snopes.com? This is one of the biggest
| >> urban legends I have ever heard.
| >>
| >> Mike
| >> >
| >> > DavidF
| >> >
| >> > | >> >
| >> >>DavidF wrote:
| >> >>
| >> >>>Chuck,
| >> >>>I was at a construction job site where
| >> >>>we were putting down a hardwood floor of thick, seasoned oak
flooring,
| >> >
| >> > when
| >> >
| >> >>>my father stopped by. Most of the crew were constantly bending nails
| > and
| >> >>>complaining about how difficult it was to nail the flooring. My
father
| >> >
| >> > bet
| >> >
| >> >>>them that he could drive a 16 penny nail through the oak flooring
with
| >> >
| >> > one
| >> >
| >> >>>hit, if he was allowed to just get the nail started. Of course,
| > everyone
| >> >>>took his bet, at which point my father set aside the "right" tool,
the
| >> >>>hammer, picked up a 8 ft. 2X4, raised it over his head, and in one
big
| >> >
| >> > swing
| >> >
| >> >>>drove that nail through the oak, down to the head...and won the bet
| >> >
| >> > without
| >> >
| >> >>>using the "right" tool.
| >> >>
| >> >>Seems like he should have used the right tool. I would have taken a
| >> >>drill bit and drilled a hole through the oak and into the joist, then
| >> >>driven the nail through it. Furthermore, I have to, excuse me, call
| >> >>your
| >> >>anecdote "BS." The oak board would have offered more resistance than
| >> >>the
| >> >>2x4 your dad used, thus keeping it from driving the nail completely
in.
| >> >>I also wonder what kind of woodworking one would be doing that would
| >> >>require driving a 16 penny nail into a board, especially a floor.
| >> >>Unless
| >> >>he was driving it in the middle of the board instead of the end, or
the
| >> >>wood was green, it would split out the end.
| >> >>
| >> >>If you are going to use an analogy, please try to make sure it is
| >> >
| >> > realistic!
| >> >
| >> >>Mike
| >> >>
| >> >>>Publisher has many limitations, both in generating HTML code and as
a
| >> >
| >> > DTP,
| >> >
| >> >>>but if it is the only tool one has, then it can be the "right" tool.
| >> >>>If
| >> >
| >> > one
| >> >
| >> >>>wants to send a basic, one page HTML formatted email or produce a
| > simple
| >> >>>static website, then should one invest $200 to buy, and the time to
| >> >
| >> > learn
| >> >
| >> >>>FrontPage...or $400 to buy DreamWeaver? Or should one learn to use
the
| >> >
| >> > tool
| >> >
| >> >>>they own in the "right" way?
| >> >>>
| >> >>>My objection is to automatically dismissing Publisher as the "wrong
| >> >
| >> > tool"
| >> >
| >> >>>because there are better tools for the job. This is a Publisher
| >> >
| >> > newsgroup,
| >> >
| >> >>>and even though there is nothing wrong with telling people about
| >> >>>better
| >> >>>methods and tools, I think we also owe people an explanation of how
| > best
| >> >
| >> > to
| >> >
| >> >>>use, the "right" way to use Publisher to accomplish the task within
| >> >>>the
| >> >>>limitations of the tool.
| >> >>>
| >> >>>DavidF
| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>>"Chuck Davis" <newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com> wrote in message
| >> >>>| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>>>David,
| >> >>>>
| >> >>>>I was in the cabinet making business for 18 years. My motto then,
and
| >> >
| >> > now
| >> >
| >> >>>is
| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>>>"Use the right tool for the job." My apprentaces were always
| >> >>>>grabbing
| >> >
| >> > the
| >> >
| >> >>>>closest tool and messing up their project. If you had used the
right
| >> >
| >> > tool
| >> >
| >> >>>>(FrontPage instead of a desktop publishing tool; Publisher), you
| >> >
| >> > probably
| >> >
| >> >>>>wouldn't have posted your original question.
| >> >>>>| >> >>>>
| >> >>>>
| >> >>>>>I would also like to know why Ed, Don, Rob and JoAnn are so dead
set
| >> >>>>>against
| >> >>>>>using Publisher for this purpose. It is really not that hard, and
if
| >> >
| >> > you
| >> >
| >> >>>>>take the time to set it up correctly, it works well. You even have
| > the
| >> >>>>>option of sending as a single image via this tool, if you don't
want
| > to
| >> >>>>>use
| >> >>>>>HTML. What am I missing?
| >> >>>>>
| >> >>>>>DavidF
| >> >>>>>
| >> >>>>>"Chuck Davis" <newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com> wrote in message
| >> >>>>>| >> >>>>>
| >> >>>>>
| >> >>>>>>Rob,
| >> >>>>>>
| >> >>>>>>I have a question regarding your statement "...don't use
| > Outlook...use
| >> >>>>>>Outlook Express. I have an HTML newsletter developed in
FrontPage.
| > It
| >> >>>
| >> >>>is
| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>>>>>essentially a 600 pixel wide table. It is sent to 1,482
recipients
| > via
| >> >>>
| >> >>>MS
| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>>>>>Office Outlook (originally Outlook 97, then 2000, and now 2003).
| > Will
| >> >>>
| >> >>>you
| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>>>>>explain why one shouldn't use Outlook? What am I missing?
| >> >>>
| >> >>>message
| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>>>>>| >> >>>>>>
| >> >>>>>>
| >> >>>>>>>If you're gonna try the html route..don't use Publisher and
don't
| >> >>>
| >> >>>use
| >> >>>
| >> >>>
| >> >>>>>>>Outlook...use Outlook Express.
| >> >>>>>>>
| >> >>>>>>>
| >> >>>>>>>| >> >>>>>>>|I would like to create a newsletter and send via e-mail as an
| >> >>>>>>>HTML
| >> >>>>>>>file
| >> >>>>>>>that
| >> >>>>>>>| will be viewable by a wide variety of e-mail programs
(Outlook,
| >> >>>>>
| >> >>>>>Outlook
| >> >>>>>
| >> >>>>>
| >> >>>>>>>| Express, Hotmail, Yahoo, etc.).
| >> >>>>>>>|
| >> >>>>>>>| Please advise if you have any suggestions.
| >> >>>>>>>
| >> >>>>>>>
| >> >>>>>>
| >> >>>>>>
| >> >>>
| >> >
| >> >
| >
| >
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