Chris Leeds, Crash Gordon, Jim from Jimco

S

Steve Easton

No Flying Dragon root stock, or is that more of a Florida variety??



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F

FM

Steve,
I've heard of some weird "root stocks" but that one's out of my realm. If
you're serious let me know and I'll research it.

Bob
 
F

FM

Chris,
I've only been at this a couple of months, so if you're giving me some
advise it's over my head. I looked at the Jimco's sight again and am lost as
to it's application in relation to what I'm doing or have done. Could you
explain?

Thanks,

Bob
 
F

FM

Crash,
You're right. My apologies. I have my volume turned down so I missed it. I
recorded it last week and forgot to lower the recording volume. I'll try
redoing it so it comes in softer. Thanks for the comment.

Bob

Velcom...
but holey cripes the music nearly blew my socks off.

:)


| Just a word of thanks. I got one of my projects done.
| Is at. http://www.agriswiss.com/Ranch Photos.htm
|
| I still have some work to do on the other site but at least I'm making
| progress.
|
| Sincerely,
|
| Bob
|
|
|
 
C

chris leeds

sure, in the address bar as you're browsing your site you'll see a lot of
%20, that's because you've got spaces in your file names, which is ok on
your home computer but isn't recommended for web work. ;-)
space replacer will replace them all with an _ so you don't have to do it
manually.

HTH
 
S

Steve Easton

I am really serious.
Only have one Orange tree, but it is / was grafted to Flying Dragon root
stock.
Had to listen to a lecture from the guy we bought it from as to how to take
care of it.
It's going on year three and we still are supposed to pluck the blossoms
every year.
It has the "checked for cancer" registration tag and all.
Big thing here in Florida because it is supposedly more freeze tolerant.
Now, what the root stock which lives underground has to do with freeze
tolerance for the tree that lives above ground is beyond me.

The root stock itself looks like a bramble with thorns.
( we had to be shown it in the nursery where we bought the tree )

Do a Google search for "flying dragon rootstock" with the quotes.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
S

Steve Easton

He means replace the spaces in file names with underscores _
File names with spaces will cause broken links in some browsers

When you view the site in a browser the link in the address bar will have
%20 inserted to replace the space.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
F

FM

Dear Steve,
I hate to tell you but you've been had. I don't know what your root stock
looks like now but at three years old it should be the first 2-3 inches of
the tree above ground. Once the variety is grafted onto the root stock it
becomes the foundation of the tree's root system and has little or nothing
to do with the cultural practise of the tree. Flying Dragon is nothing more
than a variety of Trifoliate Stock. Its used mainly in Dwarf trees. We
happen to plant on C35, which is a more tolerant variety to cold weather.
Whoever told you to pinch off the blossums is nuts. You do that for stone
fruit (ie peaches etc) because the branch system is to weak to hold the
fruit. Mother nature will do its own work, leave the blossums alone. If you
have a dwarf variety you should still have a single truck that by now is 1
1/2 - 2 feet high to the crouch. If you have branches below that , coming
out of the root stock, they are succors and should be pruned off. What
variety of fruit is grafted to the stock? You can grow peach bushes but
oranges don't do well as a bush. The root stock is important in freezing
areas because you can burn the branch system and it will recover. I won't go
into a lot of technicals but when the root system freezes the trees gone. Is
your tree blooming right now? We've got 50,000 that are.

Bob
 
F

FM

Thank you and Steve very much . I'll do it.

Bob

chris leeds said:
sure, in the address bar as you're browsing your site you'll see a lot of
%20, that's because you've got spaces in your file names, which is ok on
your home computer but isn't recommended for web work. ;-)
space replacer will replace them all with an _ so you don't have to do it
manually.

HTH

--
The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
spam.
Please feel free to contact me here:
http://nedp.net/contact/
 
F

FM

I want to thank you as well. I'll do it first thing tomorrow.
Bob

:)

Chris meant that you should remove spaces (%20) from your page and file
names.

Robo

| Crash,
| You're right. My apologies. I have my volume turned down so I missed it. I
| recorded it last week and forgot to lower the recording volume. I'll try
| redoing it so it comes in softer. Thanks for the comment.
|
| Bob
|
message
| | Velcom...
| but holey cripes the music nearly blew my socks off.
|
| :)
|
|
| | | Just a word of thanks. I got one of my projects done.
| | Is at. http://www.agriswiss.com/Ranch Photos.htm
| |
| | I still have some work to do on the other site but at least I'm making
| | progress.
| |
| | Sincerely,
| |
| | Bob
| |
| |
| |
|
|
 
J

[ John Simon Richie ]

Quick Tip: when naming html files or any files pertaining to webpages and
websites, never use a space - always have an underscore or nothing between
words, or else you end up with names like Ranch%20Photos.htm [%20 added due
to blank space].

Your website, documents and html will look a lot nicer too ... IMHO that is

;O)


[ John Simon Richie ]

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I give a wrong time, stop a traffic line
Your future dreaming is a shopping scheme
'Cause I wanna be Anarchy, In the city
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S

Steve Easton

FM, Thanks for the response

The tree and the root graft are exactly as you describe it.
It's an orange tree ( variety escapes me at the moment though )

We'll leave the blossoms on this year, but if there are as many as past year
I'm afraid the poor thing will fall over.
We did miss one blossom last year, but the fruit split as it started to
ripen

50000 orange trees in bloom must be a beautiful sight, let alone the scent
of orange blossoms in the air.
Do you maintain Honey Bees to help with pollination??

As an aside, the company Christie ( better half ) works with is in the
orange oils / citrus oils business.
Move the stuff by the tank truck load.
They just turned down an offer from one of the orange processors to
guarantee loads to them at .45 cents a pound because the owner thinks orange
oils / d-limonine prices etc. are going lower.


--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
F

FM

Steve,
Most orange trees are alternate bearing. Depending on the weather, the bloom
will hold proportionate to the trees capability. The spliting is usually
caused by the orange's center growing faster than the skin. Now would be a
good time to prune the tree. The thorny branches you noted on the tree are
a derivitive of the root stock and can be removed. . What you want to keep
is recent growth (this years flush), a solid leaf structure to maintain a
good canopy and branches with fruit wood. You want to elininate succors ,
inside dead wood, branches growing down on the lower outside of the canopy
(skirt the tree) and branches that are causing structural conflict in the
tree or eliminating "too much sunlight" to the trees center. As soon as the
bloom falls put a small amount of the "3's" (usually 30-30-30=percentages of
Nitrigen, Potassium and Phosphorus)at the base of the tree, far enough from
the trunk to catch the fringes of the root system.You can put on other
minerals later if the tree show signs of need. Start the water no later than
the end of petal fall. Potassium is the usual answer to spliting. It
increases skin growth, better sizing. For your info we have some branches
that bend as much as 4-5 feet downward from fruitload, without breaking.
You'll be surprised how much weight even the smallest twigs will hold.

If its a potted dwarf then you might want to consider either a bigger pot or
planting it in the ground if possible.

Valencias carry two crops a year. We started picking yesterday and will
probably finish about the first of June (about 135,000 40# cartons). At the
same time next year's crop is blooming and setting on the trees. The Navels
were completed in February (300,000 40# cartons).

We do have bees from Mid March to Mid April. Although its not manditory.

Good luck on your tree. The fruit on the tree, which I assume is a navel,
should be picked off prior to bloom.

Yes this is our time of Heaven. My office is in the middle of the grove!

Bob
 
F

FM

Thank you John,
I'm leaving for work and will make the changes forthwith.

Bob
Quick Tip: when naming html files or any files pertaining to webpages and
websites, never use a space - always have an underscore or nothing between
words, or else you end up with names like Ranch%20Photos.htm [%20 added due
to blank space].

Your website, documents and html will look a lot nicer too ... IMHO that is

;O)


[ John Simon Richie ]

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Anarchy for the UK, It's coming sometime ah maybe
I give a wrong time, stop a traffic line
Your future dreaming is a shopping scheme
'Cause I wanna be Anarchy, In the city
¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤.¤
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FM said:
Just a word of thanks. I got one of my projects done.
Is at. http://www.agriswiss.com/Ranch Photos.htm

I still have some work to do on the other site but at least I'm making
progress.

Sincerely,

Bob
 
S

Steve Easton

FM,

Thanks for the great information.
I might even have some oranges this year.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
S

Steve Easton

I checked today. Have some blossoms and some itty bitty oranges already.

--
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Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer

I send you some...mine just finished blooming last week, the fruit buds are
already starting...ah the smell!

Our oranges are ripe about a week before xmas every year.

R.


| FM,
|
| Thanks for the great information.
| I might even have some oranges this year.
|
| --
| Steve Easton
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| 95isalive
| This site is best viewed............
| .......................with a computer
|
| | > Steve,
| > Most orange trees are alternate bearing. Depending on the weather, the
| bloom
| > will hold proportionate to the trees capability. The spliting is usually
| > caused by the orange's center growing faster than the skin. Now would be
a
| > good time to prune the tree. The thorny branches you noted on the tree
| are
| > a derivitive of the root stock and can be removed. . What you want to
keep
| > is recent growth (this years flush), a solid leaf structure to maintain
a
| > good canopy and branches with fruit wood. You want to elininate succors
,
| > inside dead wood, branches growing down on the lower outside of the
canopy
| > (skirt the tree) and branches that are causing structural conflict in
the
| > tree or eliminating "too much sunlight" to the trees center. As soon as
| the
| > bloom falls put a small amount of the "3's" (usually
30-30-30=percentages
| of
| > Nitrigen, Potassium and Phosphorus)at the base of the tree, far enough
| from
| > the trunk to catch the fringes of the root system.You can put on other
| > minerals later if the tree show signs of need. Start the water no later
| than
| > the end of petal fall. Potassium is the usual answer to spliting. It
| > increases skin growth, better sizing. For your info we have some
branches
| > that bend as much as 4-5 feet downward from fruitload, without breaking.
| > You'll be surprised how much weight even the smallest twigs will hold.
| >
| > If its a potted dwarf then you might want to consider either a bigger
pot
| or
| > planting it in the ground if possible.
| >
| > Valencias carry two crops a year. We started picking yesterday and will
| > probably finish about the first of June (about 135,000 40# cartons). At
| the
| > same time next year's crop is blooming and setting on the trees. The
| Navels
| > were completed in February (300,000 40# cartons).
| >
| > We do have bees from Mid March to Mid April. Although its not manditory.
| >
| > Good luck on your tree. The fruit on the tree, which I assume is a
navel,
| > should be picked off prior to bloom.
| >
| > Yes this is our time of Heaven. My office is in the middle of the grove!
| >
| > Bob
| >
| > | > > FM, Thanks for the response
| > >
| > > The tree and the root graft are exactly as you describe it.
| > > It's an orange tree ( variety escapes me at the moment though )
| > >
| > > We'll leave the blossoms on this year, but if there are as many as
past
| > year
| > > I'm afraid the poor thing will fall over.
| > > We did miss one blossom last year, but the fruit split as it started
to
| > > ripen
| > >
| > > 50000 orange trees in bloom must be a beautiful sight, let alone the
| scent
| > > of orange blossoms in the air.
| > > Do you maintain Honey Bees to help with pollination??
| > >
| > > As an aside, the company Christie ( better half ) works with is in the
| > > orange oils / citrus oils business.
| > > Move the stuff by the tank truck load.
| > > They just turned down an offer from one of the orange processors to
| > > guarantee loads to them at .45 cents a pound because the owner thinks
| > orange
| > > oils / d-limonine prices etc. are going lower.
| > >
| > >
| > > --
| > > Steve Easton
| > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > 95isalive
| > > This site is best viewed............
| > > .......................with a computer
| > >
| > > | > > > Dear Steve,
| > > > I hate to tell you but you've been had. I don't know what your root
| > stock
| > > > looks like now but at three years old it should be the first 2-3
| inches
| > of
| > > > the tree above ground. Once the variety is grafted onto the root
stock
| > it
| > > > becomes the foundation of the tree's root system and has little or
| > nothing
| > > > to do with the cultural practise of the tree. Flying Dragon is
nothing
| > > more
| > > > than a variety of Trifoliate Stock. Its used mainly in Dwarf trees.
We
| > > > happen to plant on C35, which is a more tolerant variety to cold
| > weather.
| > > > Whoever told you to pinch off the blossums is nuts. You do that for
| > stone
| > > > fruit (ie peaches etc) because the branch system is to weak to hold
| the
| > > > fruit. Mother nature will do its own work, leave the blossums alone.
| If
| > > you
| > > > have a dwarf variety you should still have a single truck that by
now
| is
| > 1
| > > > 1/2 - 2 feet high to the crouch. If you have branches below that ,
| > coming
| > > > out of the root stock, they are succors and should be pruned off.
What
| > > > variety of fruit is grafted to the stock? You can grow peach bushes
| but
| > > > oranges don't do well as a bush. The root stock is important in
| freezing
| > > > areas because you can burn the branch system and it will recover. I
| > won't
| > > go
| > > > into a lot of technicals but when the root system freezes the trees
| > gone.
| > > Is
| > > > your tree blooming right now? We've got 50,000 that are.
| > > >
| > > > Bob
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > I am really serious.
| > > > > Only have one Orange tree, but it is / was grafted to Flying
Dragon
| > root
| > > > > stock.
| > > > > Had to listen to a lecture from the guy we bought it from as to
how
| to
| > > > take
| > > > > care of it.
| > > > > It's going on year three and we still are supposed to pluck the
| > blossoms
| > > > > every year.
| > > > > It has the "checked for cancer" registration tag and all.
| > > > > Big thing here in Florida because it is supposedly more freeze
| > tolerant.
| > > > > Now, what the root stock which lives underground has to do with
| freeze
| > > > > tolerance for the tree that lives above ground is beyond me.
| > > > >
| > > > > The root stock itself looks like a bramble with thorns.
| > > > > ( we had to be shown it in the nursery where we bought the tree )
| > > > >
| > > > > Do a Google search for "flying dragon rootstock" with the quotes.
| > > > >
| > > > > --
| > > > > Steve Easton
| > > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > > > 95isalive
| > > > > This site is best viewed............
| > > > > .......................with a computer
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > Steve,
| > > > > > I've heard of some weird "root stocks" but that one's out of my
| > realm.
| > > > If
| > > > > > you're serious let me know and I'll research it.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Bob
| > > > > >
| > > > > > | > > > > > > No Flying Dragon root stock, or is that more of a Florida
| > variety??
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > --
| > > > > > > Steve Easton
| > > > > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > > > > > 95isalive
| > > > > > > This site is best viewed............
| > > > > > > .......................with a computer
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > | > > > > > > > Just a word of thanks. I got one of my projects done.
| > > > > > > > Is at. http://www.agriswiss.com/Ranch Photos.htm
| > > > > > > >
| > > > > > > > I still have some work to do on the other site but at least
| I'm
| > > > making
| > > > > > > > progress.
| > > > > > > >
| > > > > > > > Sincerely,
| > > > > > > >
| > > > > > > > Bob
| > > > > > > >
| > > > > > > >
| > > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
F

FM

Crash,

I've got a couple of questions for you on the bloods. Got to rush right now
so will be back on Monday.

Bob

As long as we're talking oranges :)

My blood orange is now producing regular oranges. I think the graft died and
I'm just gettting arizona sweets from the root stock...does that make sense?

pisses me off because i really like blood oranges and just when it started
producing pretty well...bang no more blood.


| Steve,
| Most orange trees are alternate bearing. Depending on the weather, the
bloom
| will hold proportionate to the trees capability. The spliting is usually
| caused by the orange's center growing faster than the skin. Now would be a
| good time to prune the tree. The thorny branches you noted on the tree
are
| a derivitive of the root stock and can be removed. . What you want to keep
| is recent growth (this years flush), a solid leaf structure to maintain a
| good canopy and branches with fruit wood. You want to elininate succors ,
| inside dead wood, branches growing down on the lower outside of the canopy
| (skirt the tree) and branches that are causing structural conflict in the
| tree or eliminating "too much sunlight" to the trees center. As soon as
the
| bloom falls put a small amount of the "3's" (usually 30-30-30=percentages
of
| Nitrigen, Potassium and Phosphorus)at the base of the tree, far enough
from
| the trunk to catch the fringes of the root system.You can put on other
| minerals later if the tree show signs of need. Start the water no later
than
| the end of petal fall. Potassium is the usual answer to spliting. It
| increases skin growth, better sizing. For your info we have some branches
| that bend as much as 4-5 feet downward from fruitload, without breaking.
| You'll be surprised how much weight even the smallest twigs will hold.
|
| If its a potted dwarf then you might want to consider either a bigger pot
or
| planting it in the ground if possible.
|
| Valencias carry two crops a year. We started picking yesterday and will
| probably finish about the first of June (about 135,000 40# cartons). At
the
| same time next year's crop is blooming and setting on the trees. The
Navels
| were completed in February (300,000 40# cartons).
|
| We do have bees from Mid March to Mid April. Although its not manditory.
|
| Good luck on your tree. The fruit on the tree, which I assume is a navel,
| should be picked off prior to bloom.
|
| Yes this is our time of Heaven. My office is in the middle of the grove!
|
| Bob
|
| | > FM, Thanks for the response
| >
| > The tree and the root graft are exactly as you describe it.
| > It's an orange tree ( variety escapes me at the moment though )
| >
| > We'll leave the blossoms on this year, but if there are as many as past
| year
| > I'm afraid the poor thing will fall over.
| > We did miss one blossom last year, but the fruit split as it started to
| > ripen
| >
| > 50000 orange trees in bloom must be a beautiful sight, let alone the
scent
| > of orange blossoms in the air.
| > Do you maintain Honey Bees to help with pollination??
| >
| > As an aside, the company Christie ( better half ) works with is in the
| > orange oils / citrus oils business.
| > Move the stuff by the tank truck load.
| > They just turned down an offer from one of the orange processors to
| > guarantee loads to them at .45 cents a pound because the owner thinks
| orange
| > oils / d-limonine prices etc. are going lower.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Steve Easton
| > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > 95isalive
| > This site is best viewed............
| > .......................with a computer
| >
| > | > > Dear Steve,
| > > I hate to tell you but you've been had. I don't know what your root
| stock
| > > looks like now but at three years old it should be the first 2-3
inches
| of
| > > the tree above ground. Once the variety is grafted onto the root stock
| it
| > > becomes the foundation of the tree's root system and has little or
| nothing
| > > to do with the cultural practise of the tree. Flying Dragon is nothing
| > more
| > > than a variety of Trifoliate Stock. Its used mainly in Dwarf trees. We
| > > happen to plant on C35, which is a more tolerant variety to cold
| weather.
| > > Whoever told you to pinch off the blossums is nuts. You do that for
| stone
| > > fruit (ie peaches etc) because the branch system is to weak to hold
the
| > > fruit. Mother nature will do its own work, leave the blossums alone.
If
| > you
| > > have a dwarf variety you should still have a single truck that by now
is
| 1
| > > 1/2 - 2 feet high to the crouch. If you have branches below that ,
| coming
| > > out of the root stock, they are succors and should be pruned off. What
| > > variety of fruit is grafted to the stock? You can grow peach bushes
but
| > > oranges don't do well as a bush. The root stock is important in
freezing
| > > areas because you can burn the branch system and it will recover. I
| won't
| > go
| > > into a lot of technicals but when the root system freezes the trees
| gone.
| > Is
| > > your tree blooming right now? We've got 50,000 that are.
| > >
| > > Bob
| > >
| > > | > > > I am really serious.
| > > > Only have one Orange tree, but it is / was grafted to Flying Dragon
| root
| > > > stock.
| > > > Had to listen to a lecture from the guy we bought it from as to how
to
| > > take
| > > > care of it.
| > > > It's going on year three and we still are supposed to pluck the
| blossoms
| > > > every year.
| > > > It has the "checked for cancer" registration tag and all.
| > > > Big thing here in Florida because it is supposedly more freeze
| tolerant.
| > > > Now, what the root stock which lives underground has to do with
freeze
| > > > tolerance for the tree that lives above ground is beyond me.
| > > >
| > > > The root stock itself looks like a bramble with thorns.
| > > > ( we had to be shown it in the nursery where we bought the tree )
| > > >
| > > > Do a Google search for "flying dragon rootstock" with the quotes.
| > > >
| > > > --
| > > > Steve Easton
| > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > > 95isalive
| > > > This site is best viewed............
| > > > .......................with a computer
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Steve,
| > > > > I've heard of some weird "root stocks" but that one's out of my
| realm.
| > > If
| > > > > you're serious let me know and I'll research it.
| > > > >
| > > > > Bob
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > No Flying Dragon root stock, or is that more of a Florida
| variety??
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > Steve Easton
| > > > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > > > > 95isalive
| > > > > > This site is best viewed............
| > > > > > .......................with a computer
| > > > > >
| > > > > > | > > > > > > Just a word of thanks. I got one of my projects done.
| > > > > > > Is at. http://www.agriswiss.com/Ranch Photos.htm
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > I still have some work to do on the other site but at least
I'm
| > > making
| > > > > > > progress.
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FM

In California petal fall (when the bloom ends) should be in about two weeks.
Our heat has speeded up the process. The next month or month and a half
determines how much holds and how much drops. Its a facinating process.

Bob
 
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