Fixed Durations are not fixed?

T

Teresa Colon

Hi,

I have a task that is 24 hours in duration spanning several months. The
resource will work on the task as need be. There is an expected end date but
when I enter the "fixed duration" in the advanced tab, the task keeps the 24
hours but the dates change to 3 days not the 2 month span.

Please help as most of our tasks in this project are like that.

Teresa
 
J

John

Teresa Colon said:
Hi,

I have a task that is 24 hours in duration spanning several months. The
resource will work on the task as need be. There is an expected end date but
when I enter the "fixed duration" in the advanced tab, the task keeps the 24
hours but the dates change to 3 days not the 2 month span.

Please help as most of our tasks in this project are like that.

Teresa

Teresa,
When you say the task is 24 hours in duration do you truly mean that you
are on a 24 hour calendar, that is a working schedule of 24/7/365? Or do
you perhaps mean that the total work content of the task is 24 hours but
it will be accomplished on a part time basis over several months?

In order for a task to be true fixed duration, you also have to uncheck
the "effort driven" option, otherwise once the task is entered, changing
work or resources may change the duration even though it started out as
fixed duration.

You say that most of your tasks are fixed duration. Why do you think so?
Normally the duration of a task is determined by the amount of effort
required to accomplish it and/or the number of resources assigned to it.
If the number of work hours increases, the duration tends to increase
also. On the other hand if more resources are added to work on the task,
it will probably decrease the duration. Of course there is always the
adage that it still takes 9 months to make a baby no matter how many
women you put on it, so there are some cases where duration indeed is
fixed.

John
Project MVP
 
D

Designing-Systems.com

hi,

Task is scheduled according to the formula Duration = Work / Units. For any
task, you can choose which piece of the equation Project calculates by
setting the task type.

Each of the task types affects scheduling when you edit one of the three
elements as follows.

In a... If you revise units... If you revise duration... If you
revise work...
Fixed-units task... Duration is recalculated... Work is recalculated...
Duration is recalculated...

Fixed-work task Duration is recalculated. Units are recalculated. Duration
is recalculated.

Fixed-duration task Work is recalculated. Work is recalculated. Units are
recalculated.


Regards,
 
C

cherylch

How do I find the article you identified? It is not a hyperlink and I have
tried doing searches on that number without any results.
 
J

John

cherylch said:
How do I find the article you identified? It is not a hyperlink and I have
tried doing searches on that number without any results.

cherylch,
What article is that? I didn't refer to any article in my response.

John
 
M

Mike Glen

Hi Teresa.

The article you are referring to is the origin of your message. I don't
know why we are suddenly getting these prefixes to postings, as they are not
"articles" :(


Mike Glen
Project MVP
 
D

Dave Larkin

I have the same issue as the original post; fixed dates and part time, only a
few hours
a day of an 8 hr day, between the start/end dates...

I tried your suggestion and that worked, but Project just scales back the
resource to the required %, resets the duration to calender duration and
rechecks the "Effort Driven" checkbox - which in less than ideal.

Is there a way to keep the part time duration and the start-end dates fixed?

Dave
 
J

John

Dave Larkin said:
I have the same issue as the original post; fixed dates and part time, only a
few hours
a day of an 8 hr day, between the start/end dates...

I tried your suggestion and that worked, but Project just scales back the
resource to the required %, resets the duration to calender duration and
rechecks the "Effort Driven" checkbox - which in less than ideal.

Is there a way to keep the part time duration and the start-end dates fixed?

Dave

Dave,
I really didn't detail how to set up a fixed duration task so I'm not
sure what you tried, but here are the steps.
1. If you want all tasks to have a default of Fixed Duration, go to
Tools/Options/Schedule tab. Be advised however that fixed duration tasks
will still be effort driven. The effort driven option has to manually be
unckecked for each task (see next step)
2. For individual fixed duration tasks, go to Project/Task
Information/Advanced tab and set the task type as Fixed Duration and
non-effort driven
3. Enter the estimated task duration
4. Enter the estimated hours in the Work field
5. Assign a resource. Project will automatically adjust the resource
units based on the equation:
Duration = Work/Units

If you set up you tasks this way, Project will NOT reset the duration or
or convert the task to effort driven.

John
Project MVP
 
J

John

Mike Glen said:
Hi Teresa.

The article you are referring to is the origin of your message. I don't
know why we are suddenly getting these prefixes to postings, as they are not
"articles" :(


Mike Glen
Project MVP

Mike,
I guess I didn't notice that. It almost looks like a product key. Hey,
maybe there's something in that .......... ?

John
 
J

John

Dave Larkin said:
Step 4, I cannot find the "Work" field under any Task Information tabs.

Dave,
Please excuse me. I should have added a step between 2 & 3 that said to
go back to the Gantt Chart view. That's where you would normally enter
the task duration, work hours and resource assignments.

Sorry for the incomplete information.

John
 
S

Steve House

Be careful you don't mix up work and duration. Though they are both
measured in hours, they are totally different measures - as I like to think
of it, duration measures the passage of time while work measures the
production of output. A task that requires 8 hours to be spread out over a
week's time does NOT have an 8 hour duration. It has a 5 day duration and 8
hours of work will be accomplished over the 5 day period. Duration is the
time during which work could be taking place between when the first bit of
work is done and the last. The work itself might start and stop numerous
times during that time period.
 
D

Dave Larkin

Thanks Steve - Sure, I understand Work/Duration, it's making Project
understand that's how I"m thinking that's been the problem. ;) I have it
almost licked but still getting suprises back from Project sometimes.
Unchecking "Effort Driven" is the key, but then does selecting and of Fixed
Units/Duration/Work better match what I'm trying to do here?

Steve House said:
Be careful you don't mix up work and duration. Though they are both
measured in hours, they are totally different measures - as I like to think
of it, duration measures the passage of time while work measures the
production of output. A task that requires 8 hours to be spread out over a
week's time does NOT have an 8 hour duration. It has a 5 day duration and 8
hours of work will be accomplished over the 5 day period. Duration is the
time during which work could be taking place between when the first bit of
work is done and the last. The work itself might start and stop numerous
times during that time period.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs



Dave Larkin said:
I have the same issue as the original post; fixed dates and part time, only
a
few hours
a day of an 8 hr day, between the start/end dates...

I tried your suggestion and that worked, but Project just scales back the
resource to the required %, resets the duration to calender duration and
rechecks the "Effort Driven" checkbox - which in less than ideal.

Is there a way to keep the part time duration and the start-end dates
fixed?

Dave
 
S

Steve House

Effort Driven versus Non-Effort Driven setting kick-in to control what
happens when you add or remove resources from a task. When you are editing
the parameters of work, units, or duration on the task without adding or
removing bodies it doesn't matter one way of the other, they have no effect.
Fixed Work, Fixed Units, or Fixed Duration setting control which of the
terms in the equation W=D*U are held constant when you edit one of the
terms. If you are changing a resource assignment from 100% to 50%, for
example, should Project recalculate the work required or the duration the
task will take? If it should recalculate work, make the task Fixed Duration
before you change the Units. If instead it should recalculate the Duration,
make the task Fixed Work before changing the Units.

In the original post Theresa said she had a task of 24 hours duration
spanning several months. That simply can't happen. If "several" means, for
instance, 3 months, the task doesn't have 24 hours duration, it has 3 months
duration. It may have 24 hours of work spread out over three months but the
duration is the time during which work might take place between the moment
something happens and the moment it's done even though the work doesn't take
place continuously. To get 24 hours of work over a 3 month time period, the
resource should be assigned at about a 5% assignment level. Using the
standard calendar for discussion, a month has 20 working days on average. A
working day is 8 hours. So 24 hours of work over 3 months means on average
1 day a month for the 3 month dfuration. 1/20 is 5%.

To make it interesting, You used the term "part-time." Things are different
if the resource works full-time but only spends part of his work-day on the
task in question versus works a part-time shift. If the resource is a full
time employee who works an 8 hour day and is expected to spend a couple of
weeks working on a task 4 hours per day, he has a regular 8-hour calendar
and is assigned 50%. But if he's a part-time employee who works 4 hours a
day and we expect him to devote his full attention to this task for a couple
of weeks, he is given a resource calendar that reflects he is "on the
property" as the railroads used to call it for 4 hours per day and he's
assigned 100% to the task. So in each case, Task X would have a Duration of
10 days, Work of 40 hours with either an 8-hour shift full-timer assigned at
50% or a 4-hour shift part-timer assigned at 100%. See, what the units
really represents is the rate at which duration gets converted to work. It
does NOT represent the percentage of a reasource's workday that he works on
the task although in the aggregate it may often work out that way. You can
see where it doesn't if you look at a 4 hour duration task. A full-time
worker assigned to that task who gets it done as fast as he can is working
on it 100% even though 4 hours is not 100% of his workday.

HTH

--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs



Dave Larkin said:
Thanks Steve - Sure, I understand Work/Duration, it's making Project
understand that's how I"m thinking that's been the problem. ;) I have it
almost licked but still getting suprises back from Project sometimes.
Unchecking "Effort Driven" is the key, but then does selecting and of
Fixed
Units/Duration/Work better match what I'm trying to do here?

Steve House said:
Be careful you don't mix up work and duration. Though they are both
measured in hours, they are totally different measures - as I like to
think
of it, duration measures the passage of time while work measures the
production of output. A task that requires 8 hours to be spread out over
a
week's time does NOT have an 8 hour duration. It has a 5 day duration
and 8
hours of work will be accomplished over the 5 day period. Duration is
the
time during which work could be taking place between when the first bit
of
work is done and the last. The work itself might start and stop numerous
times during that time period.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs



Dave Larkin said:
I have the same issue as the original post; fixed dates and part time,
only
a
few hours
a day of an 8 hr day, between the start/end dates...

I tried your suggestion and that worked, but Project just scales back
the
resource to the required %, resets the duration to calender duration
and
rechecks the "Effort Driven" checkbox - which in less than ideal.

Is there a way to keep the part time duration and the start-end dates
fixed?

Dave

:

Hi,

I have a task that is 24 hours in duration spanning several months.
The
resource will work on the task as need be. There is an expected end
date but
when I enter the "fixed duration" in the advanced tab, the task
keeps
the 24
hours but the dates change to 3 days not the 2 month span.

Please help as most of our tasks in this project are like that.

Teresa

Teresa,
When you say the task is 24 hours in duration do you truly mean that
you
are on a 24 hour calendar, that is a working schedule of 24/7/365? Or
do
you perhaps mean that the total work content of the task is 24 hours
but
it will be accomplished on a part time basis over several months?

In order for a task to be true fixed duration, you also have to
uncheck
the "effort driven" option, otherwise once the task is entered,
changing
work or resources may change the duration even though it started out
as
fixed duration.

You say that most of your tasks are fixed duration. Why do you think
so?
Normally the duration of a task is determined by the amount of effort
required to accomplish it and/or the number of resources assigned to
it.
If the number of work hours increases, the duration tends to increase
also. On the other hand if more resources are added to work on the
task,
it will probably decrease the duration. Of course there is always the
adage that it still takes 9 months to make a baby no matter how many
women you put on it, so there are some cases where duration indeed is
fixed.

John
Project MVP
 

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