Functionality disappears when changing the web page size

[Amanda]

When creating a web page, under the Web Site Options section in the Format
Publication, there is a section called 'Add to your web site' and it contains
3 choices, 1) insert a page, 2) Add functionality and 3) Preview your Web
Site. This entire section disappears as soon as I change the page size of
my web page. So, if I click on the 'Change Page Size...' button and change
the length of my web page to 2000px and click 'OK' and come back to my
design, the 'Add to your web site' section is completely gone.

I assume this is a bug. I guess I could make sure that my entire site is
designed before resizing my page but it's been pretty frustrating when I need
to add a new functionality or insert a page.

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[DavidF]

Which version of Publisher are you using? Assuming Pub 2003, you change the
page size by going to File > Page Setup. You can use one of the default
sizes or the custom. Don't worry about the length. Leave it at 4608 or
longer. When you Publish to the Web and produce your web files, Publisher
will automatically truncate the page after the last design element on the
page, and give you custom length pages.

DavidF

 

[Losing web site options in Publisher]

Hello,
I have exactly the same problem and I am using Publisher 2007. David, your
reply did not address the problem in any way. We know how to change the page
size. However, when we do the functionality of web site options goes away
just as Amanda stated. This renders the program virtually useless at this
point. Your advice is greatly needed by myself, Amanda and I am guessing
thousands of others.

Thank you in advance

 

[DavidF]

Sorry about that. If she had told me she was using Pub 2007 I might have
provided a better answer. I made the assumption that she was using Pub 2003
and could not reproduce the problem because the option to 'Change the page
size' is not even available in Publisher 2003 under Add to your web site.
Had a taken a bit more time and looked at Pub 2007, I would have seen it. I
can now reproduce the problem as it was described. I did not save the change
to my test publication. I just went to Edit > Undo and reversed the problem.
So...

Are you saying that those options are permanently lost after saving, closing
and reopening the publication?

What about opening a new web template? Do you have the options on the new
publication?

Answer those two questions and perhaps I can provide a better answer than I
did the first time. Thanks.

DavidF

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[mbussinger]

Sorry about that. If she had told me she was using Pub 2007 I might have
provided a better answer. I made the assumption that she was using Pub 2003
and could not reproduce the problem because the option to 'Change the page
size' is not even available in Publisher 2003 under Add to your web site.
Had a taken a bit more time and looked at Pub 2007, I would have seen it.I
can now reproduce the problem as it was described. I did not save the change
to my test publication. I just went to Edit > Undo and reversed the problem.
So...

Are you saying that those options are permanently lost after saving, closing
and reopening the publication?

What about opening a new web template? Do you have the options on the new
publication?

Answer those two questions and perhaps I can provide a better answer thanI
did the first time. Thanks.

DavidF

Hello David,
Thank you for your time helping with this problem. Those options ('Add
to your web site' and it contains
3 choices, 1) insert a page, 2) Add functionality and 3) Preview your
Web
Site. ) are lost after you re-size the page.. Yes you can back track
using undo in edit, however you are also undoing your page re-size
which puts you back to square one. Also you can create a new template
and yes you get those options back, however by creating a new template
you go back to the original default page size which again defeats your
attempt to re-size the page AND retain the described functions.
Your help in resolving this is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark

 

[mbussinger]

Sorry about that. If she had told me she was using Pub 2007 I might have
provided a better answer. I made the assumption that she was using Pub 2003
and could not reproduce the problem because the option to 'Change the page
size' is not even available in Publisher 2003 under Add to your web site.
Had a taken a bit more time and looked at Pub 2007, I would have seen it.I
can now reproduce the problem as it was described. I did not save the change
to my test publication. I just went to Edit > Undo and reversed the problem.
So...

Are you saying that those options are permanently lost after saving, closing
and reopening the publication?

What about opening a new web template? Do you have the options on the new
publication?

Answer those two questions and perhaps I can provide a better answer thanI
did the first time. Thanks.

DavidF

David,
I forgot to respond directly to your question: Are you saying that
those options are permanently lost after saving, closing
and reopening the publication?
The answer is yes. Those options are permanently gone after you change
page size, then save it then re-open the document.

Thanks,
Mark

 

[DavidF]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for answering both questions. That allowed me to experiment without
fear of 'breaking' Publisher 2007, which is the reason I backed out of the
changes the first time I tried to reproduce this, and was left with those
questions.

I guess I also would call what you and Amanda have spotted a 'bug', but
suspect that MSFT would call it 'by design'. In other words, they intended
it to work this way in Publisher 2007, but that doesn't make it good in my
book. Bottom line is that if you want to change the width or length by
either clicking the button as you did, or by doing it under File > Page
Setup as I suggested, the results are the same. You will loose that added
functionality, because you are breaking the connection with the Publisher
wizard associated with the original template. You will still be able to
preview your site and you can insert a page, but you won't be able to insert
one of those custom template page options you are given with the publication
still connected to the original publication wizard.

This did not work this way in Publisher 2003 and personally I think it was a
step backwards, rather than an improvement. The way Pub 2003 handled it
wasn't perfect though. If you widened a page in Pub 2003, the content of
your page would be centered on the new wider page which required you to
select everything, group it, and then drag it back to the left edge of the
page. If you shortened or lengthened the page the content was left either
above or below the top of the new page, and once again you had to group it
all and drag it back into position. Still, even with these hassles you
retained that 'added functionality' that you loose in Pub 2007.

There also isn't a great workaround for this either...that I can find. First
of all, as I said in my original post, I wouldn't worry about shortening the
page. As I said, your pages will only be as long as the content on the page
when you convert the page into a web page. However, if you need to lengthen
the page or widen it, then you have some work ahead of you. The only way I
can think of right now to end up with a wider or longer page...or shorter if
you must, and have the added functionality, is to create a publication with
your original template design and copy and paste your custom content over to
the new publication from the original. Yeah, kind of sucks I know. I hope
that MSFT goes back to something more like Pub 2003 in the future. Sorry,
but I doubt that you will be happy with my answer this time either...

DavidF

Sorry about that. If she had told me she was using Pub 2007 I might have
provided a better answer. I made the assumption that she was using Pub
2003
and could not reproduce the problem because the option to 'Change the page
size' is not even available in Publisher 2003 under Add to your web site.
Had a taken a bit more time and looked at Pub 2007, I would have seen it.
I
can now reproduce the problem as it was described. I did not save the
change
to my test publication. I just went to Edit > Undo and reversed the
problem.
So...

Are you saying that those options are permanently lost after saving,
closing
and reopening the publication?

What about opening a new web template? Do you have the options on the new
publication?

Answer those two questions and perhaps I can provide a better answer than
I
did the first time. Thanks.

DavidF

"Losing web site options in Publisher" <Losing web site options
(e-mail address removed)> wrote in message

David,
I forgot to respond directly to your question: Are you saying that
those options are permanently lost after saving, closing
and reopening the publication?
The answer is yes. Those options are permanently gone after you change
page size, then save it then re-open the document.

Thanks,
Mark

 

[pondguy]

Hi again,

I realized later that there is another workaround to consider that might be
better.

If you do resize your current publication and loose that added
'functionality', rather than create a new publication and copy and paste
your content over as suggested, instead create a new publication based on
your original template, insert the pre-designed template pages that are
available such as the forms, FAQ, Products, etc, and then copy and paste
those into your original publication. This way even though you loose those
options in your original publication, you can still access them and
incorporate them if you need them. Hope this helps.

DavidF

Hi David,
Thanks for your help with this. I am having difficulty following the
solution you reccomend however. Your suggestion that I create a new
publication does not seem to work, because any publication I can
create seems to have the same problem built into it. If I pick another
width other than the default (760) when creating a new publication I
lose the functionality. If you or anyone else following this forum has
been able to create a page in the website portion of publisher that is
different than the default AND retained the functions described above,
I would love to hear how it is done. I have experimented a great deal
and cannot seem to create a non default page width that retains
functionality. This is even true if I create a blank page with no
template whatsoever.

Thanks in advance.

Mark

 

[pondguy]

Hi again,

I realized later that there is another workaround to consider that might be
better.

If you do resize your current publication and loose that added
'functionality', rather than create a new publication and copy and paste
your content over as suggested, instead create a new publication based on
your original template, insert the pre-designed template pages that are
available such as the forms, FAQ, Products, etc, and then copy and paste
those into your original publication. This way even though you loose those
options in your original publication, you can still access them and
incorporate them if you need them. Hope this helps.

DavidF

Hi David,
Thanks for your help with this. I am having difficulty following the
solution you reccomend however. Your suggestion that I create a new
publication does not seem to work, because any publication I can
create seems to have the same problem built into it. If I pick another
width other than the default (760) when creating a new publication I
lose the functionality. If you or anyone else following this forum has
been able to create a page in the website portion of publisher that is
different than the default AND retained the functions described above,
I would love to hear how it is done. I have experimented a great deal
and cannot seem to create a non default page width that retains
functionality. This is even true if I create a blank page with no
template whatsoever.

Thanks in advance.

Mark

 

[DavidF]

Hi again,

I realized later that there is another workaround to consider that might be
better.

If you do resize your current publication and loose that added
'functionality', rather than create a new publication and copy and paste
your content over as suggested, instead create a new publication based on
your original template, insert the pre-designed template pages that are
available such as the forms, FAQ, Products, etc, and then copy and paste
those into your original publication. This way even though you loose those
options in your original publication, you can still access them and
incorporate them if you need them. Hope this helps.

DavidF

 

[DavidF]

Sorry I was not clear and more specific about the workflow. You have to
create a blank web site by going to File > New and then scrolling down to
the bottom and find the blank sizes > create the blank page > change the
page size > and then Apply a template.

This is also an opportunity to explain why MSFT probably set up Publisher to
work this way. If you change the width of the page of your original
publication, notice that the top banner does not also get wider and cover
the whole top of the page. If you create a new blank web page, change the
width, and then apply the template, the template is scaled to fit the wider
page size. This would be one advantage of rebuilding your site by copy and
pasting your old site content to a new publication.

But as I said in my follow up post it might be easier to create those
predesigned template pages available through the 'add functionality' in a
temporary, newly created publication and copy that over to your original
publication. After all that is really all the added functionality you loose
when you resize the page of your original publication.

Is that more clear?

DavidF

Hi again,

I realized later that there is another workaround to consider that might
be
better.

If you do resize your current publication and loose that added
'functionality', rather than create a new publication and copy and paste
your content over as suggested, instead create a new publication based on
your original template, insert the pre-designed template pages that are
available such as the forms, FAQ, Products, etc, and then copy and paste
those into your original publication. This way even though you loose those
options in your original publication, you can still access them and
incorporate them if you need them. Hope this helps.

DavidF

Hi David,
Thanks for your help with this. I am having difficulty following the
solution you reccomend however. Your suggestion that I create a new
publication does not seem to work, because any publication I can
create seems to have the same problem built into it. If I pick another
width other than the default (760) when creating a new publication I
lose the functionality. If you or anyone else following this forum has
been able to create a page in the website portion of publisher that is
different than the default AND retained the functions described above,
I would love to hear how it is done. I have experimented a great deal
and cannot seem to create a non default page width that retains
functionality. This is even true if I create a blank page with no
template whatsoever.

Thanks in advance.

Mark