I have one for you i.e. Links not working in Firefox

[Barry]

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having more than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have additional browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't use it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space it must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not connect to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put links using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but he could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML was not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did not use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like the look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[Barry]

UPDATE: I've had a friend say he has not trouble with the links in Firefox!

 

[Mary Sauer]

I did not try all the links, but the ones I did worked okay. The links on page
14 did not work in Firefox or IE. Busy site...

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

You should always check your design in other browsers...IE7 or 6, FF, Opera
etc...

 

[DavidF]

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view ok in
most all browsers.

DavidF

 

[Barry]

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that is some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you guessed
it) a colored text box: http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm [I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that would fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

 

[DavidF]

Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am always
getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in FF,
and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say that
filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a number of
design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you have the
bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a .mht, so
I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE will
stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better than IE
at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer is to test
your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to the Web,
direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it. Then all you
have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and open with FF
to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to figure out why
one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you guessed
it) a colored text box: http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view ok in
most all browsers.

DavidF

 

[Panos]

Barry i have something here about your first question about the browsers...

If you do not want to install firefox, opera, etc in order to check how your
website looks try this website that i found, it gives you screenshots for any
browser you want to check: http://browsershots.org/ ( i suggest you do not
select many of them becasue take some time to load it )

Panos

Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am always
getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in FF,
and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say that
filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a number of
design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you have the
bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a .mht, so
I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE will
stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better than IE
at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer is to test
your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to the Web,
direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it. Then all you
have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and open with FF
to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to figure out why
one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you guessed
it) a colored text box: http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view ok in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[Barry]

Panos,

Believe it or not I had used that site the other night, but I could not tell
from it whether the links worked or not, I let it hit about 40 some different
browsers, took awhile. Maybe I didn't spent enough time with it to see if
you could actually access the page and check links.

Well I did it! Downloaded Firefox, whew! At first, not much impressed. I
have found some other things that do not show up well on my site in Firefox
and some of them don't make sense.

This page http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page62.htm has a nav bar
back to Home and it does not work in the Firefox I downloaded, now that is
strange because that is the only Nav Bar I have found that doesn't work. I
see the issue with page14 and it can be fixed, I'll do away with the design
gallery's sidebar and use text links like I did with page 37. One of the
things FF does is where I have a media player it will not show up, maybe I
need a plugin for the basic FF. But this page concerns me with FF, it messed
up a simple text link http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page58.html.mht
where the home link will not work and below it is a media player that does
not show up in FF.

Also my homepage seems to not show the CSS on all the links in FF. Some of
them are underlined, some are not, they are suppose to not show the underline
and when the mouse hovers over it should and does change color but put an
underline there.

In case you are wondering David, I am the guy that brought up the Pub 2007
question with the CSS snipet not working the underline decor html fragment
like it does in Pub 2003.

Well, don't know folks, I don't like the way FF changes and discolors some
fonts and graphics and I have a lot of fixing if I am going to get the site
to look like my IE7 shows. I still am researching the pros and cons, I still
read some people say that IE7 has caught up with security and some say no FF
is much better. I'll leave the jury out for now.

Thanks All!

Barry i have something here about your first question about the browsers...

If you do not want to install firefox, opera, etc in order to check how your
website looks try this website that i found, it gives you screenshots for any
browser you want to check: http://browsershots.org/ ( i suggest you do not
select many of them becasue take some time to load it )

Panos

Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am always
getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in FF,
and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say that
filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a number of
design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you have the
bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a .mht, so
I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE will
stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better than IE
at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer is to test
your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to the Web,
direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it. Then all you
have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and open with FF
to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to figure out why
one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you guessed
it) a colored text box: http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view ok in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

I'm surprised a page with .mht extension works at all.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am
always getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in
FF, and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say
that filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a number
of design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you have
the bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a .mht,
so I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE
will stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better
than IE at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer is
to test your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to
the Web, direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it. Then
all you have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and open
with FF to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to figure
out why one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you
guessed
it) a colored text box: http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view ok
in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like
the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[Barry]

Well Rob, I have been using it since 2003 and never have had a problem with it.

I fixed page 62 and David can appreciate this, it was the "ole" nav bar in
the text box routine. Caught it with FF, that will fix that page. And by
the way I have always sent my Pubs to the hard drive, I keep all my pages,
but the right click of the FF is quicker, thx Dave!

Also redid page 14, let me know if you have any problems with it Mary.

I'm surprised a page with .mht extension works at all.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am
always getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in
FF, and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say
that filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a number
of design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you have
the bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a .mht,
so I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE
will stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better
than IE at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer is
to test your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to
the Web, direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it. Then
all you have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and open
with FF to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to figure
out why one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you
guessed
it) a colored text box: http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view ok
in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like
the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[Barry]

David,

I just thought of something, could it be why I see some underlining in FF
and the snipet seems to not work is this; originally I made the homepage in
Pub 2007 and when I could not get the underlining to work the way I wanted it
to, I saved the page as 2003 and the new links as I added them are the 2003
page and the ones that don't work are the ones that were originally authored
in 2007?

Well Rob, I have been using it since 2003 and never have had a problem with it.

I fixed page 62 and David can appreciate this, it was the "ole" nav bar in
the text box routine. Caught it with FF, that will fix that page. And by
the way I have always sent my Pubs to the hard drive, I keep all my pages,
but the right click of the FF is quicker, thx Dave!

Also redid page 14, let me know if you have any problems with it Mary.

I'm surprised a page with .mht extension works at all.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am
always getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in
FF, and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say
that filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a number
of design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you have
the bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a .mht,
so I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE
will stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better
than IE at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer is
to test your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to
the Web, direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it. Then
all you have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and open
with FF to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to figure
out why one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you
guessed
it) a colored text box: http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view ok
in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like
the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

How about your viewers though?

..mht or MHTML is a file extension for web pages with bound resources -
external links, images, sound files all in a single file aka a web archive.
You may experience problems with scripts as well as viewers using browsers
other than IE - it may even be part of your linking problem.

aside from that you have a double extensions on some pages (xxx.html.mht)



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

Well Rob, I have been using it since 2003 and never have had a problem
with it.

I fixed page 62 and David can appreciate this, it was the "ole" nav bar in
the text box routine. Caught it with FF, that will fix that page. And by
the way I have always sent my Pubs to the hard drive, I keep all my pages,
but the right click of the FF is quicker, thx Dave!

Also redid page 14, let me know if you have any problems with it Mary.

I'm surprised a page with .mht extension works at all.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am
always getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in
FF, and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say
that filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a
number
of design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you
have
the bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and
test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of
pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I
would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a
site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a
.mht,
so I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that
way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an
informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download
is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you
will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE
will stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better
than IE at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer
is
to test your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to
the Web, direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it.
Then
all you have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and
open
with FF to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to
figure
out why one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that
is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you
guessed
it) a colored text box:
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that
would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is
not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with
a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text
to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get
the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view
ok
in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having
more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have
additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't
use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space
it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put
links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but
he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML
was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did
not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like
the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I
am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[DavidF]

All you are seeing are screenshots of what the page looks like in the other
browsers which means the links will not work.

DavidF

Panos,

Believe it or not I had used that site the other night, but I could not
tell
from it whether the links worked or not, I let it hit about 40 some
different
browsers, took awhile. Maybe I didn't spent enough time with it to see if
you could actually access the page and check links.

Well I did it! Downloaded Firefox, whew! At first, not much impressed.
I
have found some other things that do not show up well on my site in
Firefox
and some of them don't make sense.

This page http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page62.htm has a nav bar
back to Home and it does not work in the Firefox I downloaded, now that is
strange because that is the only Nav Bar I have found that doesn't work.
I
see the issue with page14 and it can be fixed, I'll do away with the
design
gallery's sidebar and use text links like I did with page 37. One of the
things FF does is where I have a media player it will not show up, maybe I
need a plugin for the basic FF. But this page concerns me with FF, it
messed
up a simple text link
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page58.html.mht
where the home link will not work and below it is a media player that does
not show up in FF.

Also my homepage seems to not show the CSS on all the links in FF. Some
of
them are underlined, some are not, they are suppose to not show the
underline
and when the mouse hovers over it should and does change color but put an
underline there.

In case you are wondering David, I am the guy that brought up the Pub 2007
question with the CSS snipet not working the underline decor html fragment
like it does in Pub 2003.

Well, don't know folks, I don't like the way FF changes and discolors some
fonts and graphics and I have a lot of fixing if I am going to get the
site
to look like my IE7 shows. I still am researching the pros and cons, I
still
read some people say that IE7 has caught up with security and some say no
FF
is much better. I'll leave the jury out for now.

Thanks All!

Barry i have something here about your first question about the
browsers...

If you do not want to install firefox, opera, etc in order to check how
your
website looks try this website that i found, it gives you screenshots for
any
browser you want to check: http://browsershots.org/ ( i suggest you do
not
select many of them becasue take some time to load it )

Panos

Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am
always
getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in
FF,
and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say
that
filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a
number of
design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you have
the
bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of
pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I
would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a
site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a
.mht, so
I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an
informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download
is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you
will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE
will
stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better than
IE
at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer is to
test
your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to the
Web,
direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it. Then all
you
have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and open with
FF
to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to figure out
why
one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that
is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you
guessed
it) a colored text box:
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that
would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having
multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is
not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box
with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked
text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you
even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get
the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view
ok in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having
more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have
additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't
use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of
space it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put
links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had
a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but
he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML
was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did
not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I
like the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks
I am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and
work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[DavidF]

Barry,

Good thinking...I think you found your answer. The html coding engines are
different in 2003 and 2007, as you have discovered with the CSS snippet not
working in 2007. You might be able to just rebuild the text boxes with the
links rather than the whole page to clean up the effect of having built the
page in 2007 originally.

Like Rob, I also find your use of .mht extensions...web archive pages...a
bit disconcerting. Especially the double extensions .htm.mht??? I am one of
those people that believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but in this
case I am not sure you shouldn't switch to a more accepted and standard
practice of producing your pages and using .htm pages. Perhaps you could
explain why you chose to build the pages this way instead of .htm, and
educate Rob and I? Or...just keep on doing what works for you ;-)

DavidF

David,

I just thought of something, could it be why I see some underlining in FF
and the snipet seems to not work is this; originally I made the homepage
in
Pub 2007 and when I could not get the underlining to work the way I wanted
it
to, I saved the page as 2003 and the new links as I added them are the
2003
page and the ones that don't work are the ones that were originally
authored
in 2007?

Well Rob, I have been using it since 2003 and never have had a problem
with it.

I fixed page 62 and David can appreciate this, it was the "ole" nav bar
in
the text box routine. Caught it with FF, that will fix that page. And
by
the way I have always sent my Pubs to the hard drive, I keep all my
pages,
but the right click of the FF is quicker, thx Dave!

Also redid page 14, let me know if you have any problems with it Mary.

I'm surprised a page with .mht extension works at all.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression






Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am
always getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work
in
FF, and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't
say
that filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list
of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a
number
of design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you
have
the bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and
test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of
pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I
would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a
site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a
.mht,
so I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that
way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an
informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download
is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you
will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and
IE
will stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser
better
than IE at some point, but the main reason to have it on your
computer is
to test your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish
to
the Web, direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it.
Then
all you have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and
open
with FF to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to
figure
out why one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one
doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that
is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however
I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you
guessed
it) a colored text box:
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that
would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having
multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that
is not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box
with a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked
text to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with
links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you
even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can
get the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view
ok
in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having
more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have
additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't
use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of
space it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put
links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had
a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar,
but he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML
was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did
not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I
like
the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks
I am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and
work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[Barry]

Hallelujah! Fixed It!

Firefox folks should see the homepage just like us IE7 die hards! (Might
have to refresh browser if you've been to the site before with Firefox)

David, the links underlining was the issue with Pub2007, all the links I had
made on the original page stayed as I moved back to Pub2003. I deleted the
links and put them back, now our CSS snipet code works great!

I hope you programmers can find out what is wrong with Pub2007 or if it is
user error. For the time being I will be staying with Pub2003 when I want to
insert html fragments.

Now onto to this embedded media player issue with Firefox!

Have a wonderful day everyone!

Barry

How about your viewers though?

.mht or MHTML is a file extension for web pages with bound resources -
external links, images, sound files all in a single file aka a web archive.
You may experience problems with scripts as well as viewers using browsers
other than IE - it may even be part of your linking problem.

aside from that you have a double extensions on some pages (xxx.html.mht)



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

Well Rob, I have been using it since 2003 and never have had a problem
with it.

I fixed page 62 and David can appreciate this, it was the "ole" nav bar in
the text box routine. Caught it with FF, that will fix that page. And by
the way I have always sent my Pubs to the hard drive, I keep all my pages,
but the right click of the FF is quicker, thx Dave!

Also redid page 14, let me know if you have any problems with it Mary.

I'm surprised a page with .mht extension works at all.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression






Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am
always getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in
FF, and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say
that filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a
number
of design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you
have
the bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and
test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of
pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I
would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a
site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a
.mht,
so I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that
way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an
informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download
is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you
will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE
will stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better
than IE at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer
is
to test your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to
the Web, direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it.
Then
all you have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and
open
with FF to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to
figure
out why one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that
is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you
guessed
it) a colored text box:
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that
would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is
not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with
a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text
to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get
the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view
ok
in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having
more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have
additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't
use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space
it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put
links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but
he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML
was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did
not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like
the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I
am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[Barry]

David F & Rob(even though you seem to not want to address anyone)

I see I missed a post. David F, you were asking about the html.mht
extensions. It is a long story that goes back to 2003 when I first started
learning html and webmastering. It has to do with my free server from my ISP
that gives me 10meg of space for having DSL and the UNIX server. Those pages
you see like that are in fact the original pages from the beginning because I
could not get anything else to work on the UNIX. If you notice some of that
server has pages with the htm which now works as the ISP has changed their
server (several times), if something comes up that gives reason to edit those
particular pages I try to change them if I don't have them linked from
several other pages making the editing even a longer time to do. I just
recently moved the whole website to a new host and a new domain, and a new
site name, and was able to do it without much trouble that I had anticipated.
I grabbed some of those pages and re-did them when it was convenient. Well,
hope I haven't bored you, but that is some of the story on the reason those
pages are labeled like that.

God Bless,
Barry

Hallelujah! Fixed It!

Firefox folks should see the homepage just like us IE7 die hards! (Might
have to refresh browser if you've been to the site before with Firefox)

David, the links underlining was the issue with Pub2007, all the links I had
made on the original page stayed as I moved back to Pub2003. I deleted the
links and put them back, now our CSS snipet code works great!

I hope you programmers can find out what is wrong with Pub2007 or if it is
user error. For the time being I will be staying with Pub2003 when I want to
insert html fragments.

Now onto to this embedded media player issue with Firefox!

Have a wonderful day everyone!

Barry

How about your viewers though?

.mht or MHTML is a file extension for web pages with bound resources -
external links, images, sound files all in a single file aka a web archive.
You may experience problems with scripts as well as viewers using browsers
other than IE - it may even be part of your linking problem.

aside from that you have a double extensions on some pages (xxx.html.mht)



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression

Well Rob, I have been using it since 2003 and never have had a problem
with it.

I fixed page 62 and David can appreciate this, it was the "ole" nav bar in
the text box routine. Caught it with FF, that will fix that page. And by
the way I have always sent my Pubs to the hard drive, I keep all my pages,
but the right click of the FF is quicker, thx Dave!

Also redid page 14, let me know if you have any problems with it Mary.

:

I'm surprised a page with .mht extension works at all.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression






Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I am
always getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not work in
FF, and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't say
that filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a
number
of design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if you
have
the bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup and
test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds of
pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I
would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw a
site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a
.mht,
so I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it that
way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an
informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The download
is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it, you
will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out and IE
will stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser better
than IE at some point, but the main reason to have it on your computer
is
to test your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you Publish to
the Web, direct the output to your hard drive where you can find it.
Then
all you have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files, and
open
with FF to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying to
figure
out why one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe that
is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below, however I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep you
guessed
it) a colored text box:
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if that
would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link that is
not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box with
a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked text
to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can get
the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to view
ok
in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with having
more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have
additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I don't
use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of space
it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to put
links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar, but
he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on VML
was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I did
not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I like
the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox folks I
am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[DavidF]

Hi Barry,

I wondered why the mix of file extensions...thanks for the explanation. I
also understand why you are just updating those pages a few at a time, as
they do seem to work.

Glad you were able to sort out the links issue and fix the 2007 to 2003
conversion problems.

I am not a coder, programmer or anything close, but will keep playing with
the CSS code. I use an advance form of trial and terror...I try something,
and if it doesn't work, I try something else ;-). Sometimes I find
workarounds...sometimes I don't. If you want to pursue it yourself, you can
do what I plan...go to some CSS instructional websites and see if there is a
newer way to write this snippet. I just don't have the time to research it
right now. I'll post it as a new question and see if someone out there knows
the answer...

DavidF

David F & Rob(even though you seem to not want to address anyone)

I see I missed a post. David F, you were asking about the html.mht
extensions. It is a long story that goes back to 2003 when I first
started
learning html and webmastering. It has to do with my free server from my
ISP
that gives me 10meg of space for having DSL and the UNIX server. Those
pages
you see like that are in fact the original pages from the beginning
because I
could not get anything else to work on the UNIX. If you notice some of
that
server has pages with the htm which now works as the ISP has changed their
server (several times), if something comes up that gives reason to edit
those
particular pages I try to change them if I don't have them linked from
several other pages making the editing even a longer time to do. I just
recently moved the whole website to a new host and a new domain, and a new
site name, and was able to do it without much trouble that I had
anticipated.
I grabbed some of those pages and re-did them when it was convenient.
Well,
hope I haven't bored you, but that is some of the story on the reason
those
pages are labeled like that.

God Bless,
Barry

Hallelujah! Fixed It!

Firefox folks should see the homepage just like us IE7 die hards! (Might
have to refresh browser if you've been to the site before with Firefox)

David, the links underlining was the issue with Pub2007, all the links I
had
made on the original page stayed as I moved back to Pub2003. I deleted
the
links and put them back, now our CSS snipet code works great!

I hope you programmers can find out what is wrong with Pub2007 or if it
is
user error. For the time being I will be staying with Pub2003 when I
want to
insert html fragments.

Now onto to this embedded media player issue with Firefox!

Have a wonderful day everyone!

Barry

How about your viewers though?

.mht or MHTML is a file extension for web pages with bound resources -
external links, images, sound files all in a single file aka a web
archive.
You may experience problems with scripts as well as viewers using
browsers
other than IE - it may even be part of your linking problem.

aside from that you have a double extensions on some pages
(xxx.html.mht)



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression






Well Rob, I have been using it since 2003 and never have had a
problem
with it.

I fixed page 62 and David can appreciate this, it was the "ole" nav
bar in
the text box routine. Caught it with FF, that will fix that page.
And by
the way I have always sent my Pubs to the hard drive, I keep all my
pages,
but the right click of the FF is quicker, thx Dave!

Also redid page 14, let me know if you have any problems with it
Mary.

:

I'm surprised a page with .mht extension works at all.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression






Barry,

I was wrong. That is what I get for not qualifying my statement. I
am
always getting surprises when trying to build webs...

The filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht does not
work in
FF, and yet the links in the filled text box on
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm do. So you can't
say
that filling a text box will always kill the links.

I do notice one difference in the two. The first is a bulleted
list of
links, and the second isn't. Try removing the bullets and test.

Another possibility is that *sometimes* when you group together a
number
of design elements, that will kill the links. So check to see if
you
have
the bulleted list text box grouped with anything else...ungroup
and
test.

And finally, I also notice that you produced two different kinds
of
pages.
One is a .mht file and the other is an .htm file. Until recently I
would
have suggested that using .mht files would be a bad idea, but saw
a
site
where the user had produced a large site with each page saved as a
.mht,
so I can't say that it won't work, or that you shouldn't do it
that
way. I
simply have little experience with .mht files and can not make an
informed
judgment.

As per possible problems with FF, I wouldn't expect any. The
download
is
small and easy. One thing to watch for is that as you install it,
you
will
be given the option of making it your default browser...opt out
and IE
will stay as the default. You may find that you like the browser
better
than IE at some point, but the main reason to have it on your
computer
is
to test your site pages. If I didn't say it before, when you
Publish to
the Web, direct the output to your hard drive where you can find
it.
Then
all you have to do is right click the .htm files...or .mht files,
and
open
with FF to test the page. That will be handy when you are trying
to
figure
out why one of the filled text boxes kills the links, and one
doesn't.

Good luck.

DavidF

Thanks David,

The color in the text box is a tip I did not know about. Maybe
that
is
some
of the problem Mary was talking about with this page below,
however I
land
the links okay with my IE7;
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page14.html.mht

And this page I took out the sidebar and replaced it with (yep
you
guessed
it) a colored text box:
http://home.windstream.net/barryfowler/page37.htm
[I
was trying to troubleshoot the problem and thought I'd see if
that
would
fix
it, thinking it was the sidebar issue]

(Since no one has mentioned any technicial issues with having
multiple
browsers, I am just about convinced to maybe try this Firefox
out).

:

All the links on the home page work fine. If you have a link
that is
not
working, please post a link to that specific page. One of the
most
common
reason for links to fail in FF is that the user fills a text box
with
a
color, which will result in that whole text box including linked
text
to
turn into an image. Don't use a fill color in text boxes with
links.

Absolutely you should download FF and test your pages before you
even
upload
them. You may not have many FF viewers right now, but if you can
get
the
pages to look ok in both IE and FF, then the page is likely to
view
ok
in
most all browsers.

DavidF

Before I get started, is there anything at all wrong with
having
more
than
one browser? From what I have read it appears ok to have
additional
browsers
and in my case I need to check something with Firefox and I
don't
use
it.
Pros and Cons if you don't mind. Other than wasting 6megs of
space
it
must
be ok to have more than one browser.

Here's the question, I had a visitor to my site say he could
not
connect
to
the links on my homepage http://www.accessbyfaith.org

I am using Publisher 2003 and in the boxes I have elected to
put
links
using
the design gallery's 'sidebar' and it works ok in IE 7, but I
had a
visitor
say his Firefox would not connect to the links in the sidebar,
but
he
could
connect to the nav bar buttons.

I have already done the Tools - Options - Web and the Rely on
VML
was
not
checked anyway and I went ahead and checked the allow PNG. I
did
not
use
Master Page.

I know I could just redo the page with using text links, but I
like
the
look
of the sidebars and before I tear it up for the few Firefox
folks I
am
getting, I thought I'd see if there were any other tidbits and
work
arounds
out there.

Thanks for any responses.