Image size publisher 2003

J

john

In publisher some image sizes are 5 megs

When I publish to web can publisher reduce image size or do I have to do it
manually?
I published and site took forever to load


John
 
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Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

You should resize & optimize first.



| In publisher some image sizes are 5 megs
|
| When I publish to web can publisher reduce image size or do I have to do
it
| manually?
| I published and site took forever to load
|
|
| John
|
|
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

I like doing it outside of FP or Pub.


| And after that, compress all the images and graphics: "Compress graphics
| file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web pages":
| http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx
|
| DavidF
|
| | > You should resize & optimize first.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | In publisher some image sizes are 5 megs
| > |
| > | When I publish to web can publisher reduce image size or do I have to
do
| > it
| > | manually?
| > | I published and site took forever to load
| > |
| > |
| > | John
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
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DavidF

I do too. I didn't mean to confuse people. In an ideal world, they should
resize and optimize the images in a third party image editing program before
they insert them into a Publisher 2003 webpage, and also use the compression
feature in Publisher. I suggest that because I suspect that most people do
not fully optimize the images for Publisher, and that there are probably
other graphics on the pages that will benefit from the compression. Using
both, you get the fastest loading pages.

FWIW I use Pub 2000 and import my images rather than insert them. I find I
get better results that way, but that is probably beyond what most people
want to do when they choose to use Publisher to produce their sites.

Thanks for your comments...they are always helpful.

DavidF
 
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Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

I try to help when I can. Longtime user of p2000 and now also have 2003 (a
tad on the noobish side still with 03).

I use IrFanview for quick resize, rename, optimization but PS to actually
edit an image. I find IrFanview much quicker on batch ops.



|I do too. I didn't mean to confuse people. In an ideal world, they should
| resize and optimize the images in a third party image editing program
before
| they insert them into a Publisher 2003 webpage, and also use the
compression
| feature in Publisher. I suggest that because I suspect that most people do
| not fully optimize the images for Publisher, and that there are probably
| other graphics on the pages that will benefit from the compression. Using
| both, you get the fastest loading pages.
|
| FWIW I use Pub 2000 and import my images rather than insert them. I find I
| get better results that way, but that is probably beyond what most people
| want to do when they choose to use Publisher to produce their sites.
|
| Thanks for your comments...they are always helpful.
|
| DavidF
|
| | >I like doing it outside of FP or Pub.
| >
| >
| > | > | And after that, compress all the images and graphics: "Compress
graphics
| > | file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web pages":
| > | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx
| > |
| > | DavidF
| > |
| > message
| > | | > | > You should resize & optimize first.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | In publisher some image sizes are 5 megs
| > | > |
| > | > | When I publish to web can publisher reduce image size or do I have
| > to
| > do
| > | > it
| > | > | manually?
| > | > | I published and site took forever to load
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | John
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
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J

john

Before I read these replies

I published to file then used IrFanview to resize images from about 4-6 Megs
to about 30-40 kb

When I put smaller images into pub it looked terrible, but on the web it
looks OK

That's why I did it afterwards



I am helping a friend out, he had to do it for the first time, other
previous person that did it may have used a different ver of pub

As the old site was html and when I published with 2003 they were htm and it
did not update

I had to delete old site first with FTP program

Your saying theres a feature somewhere in pub that will reduce size, but
maybe best to use third party



http://outsideinn.ca/



thanks for all the info
 
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DavidF

Ha...If the truth be told, I still use Pub 2000 for everything except
testing purposes and helping out here. It does everything I want to do, and
I prefer it to Pub2003 for web building especially. I know, Pub 2003 is
"better" for print publications, but I have found no need to switch...guess
I am one of those, if it ain't broke, why fix it, people.

I have Irfanview installed, but rarely use it. I use PS Elements for most
things and probably a half dozen other apps for one or two functions. For
example I like the "warmify" quick fix in Picasa from Google, and haven't
been able to duplicate it in Elements. It seems like every time I buy a new
piece of equipment, I get a new photo editor or organizer, and have just
quit installing them, especially after loading a couple that took over the
defaults...

DavidF
 
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DavidF

John,

I am not sure I am reading you right, but I can say that even as I write
this, the images on your home page have not downloaded yet, using a dial-up
modem.

First, I am suggesting that you resize, and change the resolution of each
image before you insert it into your Publisher document. The Pub 2003 HTML
coding engine works in sometimes mysterious ways, and it will actually make
copies of your images in various formats including PNG. The goal being to
provide the best image depending on which browser was used to load the page.
To see this, Publish to the Web, and direct the HTML output to a folder on
your computer, where you can open and study the files it produces. You will
find several copies of each image.

The goal when you resize an image in Irfanview is to decrease the size to
about the size you will be using in Publisher, and I would suggest using 96
dpi at about 30% quality for a JPG to start with. Rob may have tested this
more, and found a better setting...you should experiment, until you get the
smallest file that still looks good. You should be able to get much smaller
than 30-40 kb unless the image covers the whole page. My 150 pixel wide JPG
are usually close to 4 kb.

After inserting the image into Publisher, Format > Picture > Size Tab and
make sure the Scale is 100% or less. 100% is ideal, but over 100% and you
will have a poor quality image. Also, I suggest using 96 dpi instead of 72
dpi, because the Publisher coding engine will convert your 72 dpi image to
96 dpi. As a general rule do not convert JPG images to GIF format.

If the old site had html files, then it was probably Pub 2000 or earlier.
Pub 2003 uses .htm by default....and absolutely you should delete all the
old files off the server before you upload the new...at least until you get
the site to work correctly. After that you can use the incremental uploading
feature.

Before you produce the HTML, go to Tools > Options > Web Tab and uncheck
"Rely on VML..." and "Allow PNG...". This will help you produce faster
loading pages and images, and may be one of the major reasons your images
are not loading more quickly now.

And finally, yes, Pub 2003 has a compress graphics function, and it will
probably help even after optimizing your images. As per my original reply,
"Compress graphics file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web pages":
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx

Now that is probably more than you wanted to know ;-)

DavidF
 
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DavidF

Sorry John, I actually meant this reply for Rob...whoops.

I would try Tools > Options > Web Tab and uncheck "Rely on VML..." and
"Allow PNG...". before anything else. That alone would explain a lot about
why your images are loading so slowly.

DavidF
 
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Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Loads fast now...probably because your image links are not working...and no
images are visible.


| Did you look at the site, do you think its too slow?
|
| http://outsideinn.ca
|
|
|
|
|
|
| | > Ha...If the truth be told, I still use Pub 2000 for everything except
| > testing purposes and helping out here. It does everything I want to do,
| > and I prefer it to Pub2003 for web building especially. I know, Pub 2003
| > is "better" for print publications, but I have found no need to
| > switch...guess I am one of those, if it ain't broke, why fix it, people.
| >
| > I have Irfanview installed, but rarely use it. I use PS Elements for
most
| > things and probably a half dozen other apps for one or two functions.
For
| > example I like the "warmify" quick fix in Picasa from Google, and
haven't
| > been able to duplicate it in Elements. It seems like every time I buy a
| > new piece of equipment, I get a new photo editor or organizer, and have
| > just quit installing them, especially after loading a couple that took
| > over the defaults...
| >
| > DavidF
| >
message
| > | >>I try to help when I can. Longtime user of p2000 and now also have 2003
(a
| >> tad on the noobish side still with 03).
| >>
| >> I use IrFanview for quick resize, rename, optimization but PS to
actually
| >> edit an image. I find IrFanview much quicker on batch ops.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> | >> |I do too. I didn't mean to confuse people. In an ideal world, they
| >> should
| >> | resize and optimize the images in a third party image editing program
| >> before
| >> | they insert them into a Publisher 2003 webpage, and also use the
| >> compression
| >> | feature in Publisher. I suggest that because I suspect that most
people
| >> do
| >> | not fully optimize the images for Publisher, and that there are
| >> probably
| >> | other graphics on the pages that will benefit from the compression.
| >> Using
| >> | both, you get the fastest loading pages.
| >> |
| >> | FWIW I use Pub 2000 and import my images rather than insert them. I
| >> find I
| >> | get better results that way, but that is probably beyond what most
| >> people
| >> | want to do when they choose to use Publisher to produce their sites.
| >> |
| >> | Thanks for your comments...they are always helpful.
| >> |
| >> | DavidF
| >> |
| >> message
| >> | | >> | >I like doing it outside of FP or Pub.
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | > | >> | > | And after that, compress all the images and graphics: "Compress
| >> graphics
| >> | > | file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web pages":
| >> | > | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx
| >> | > |
| >> | > | DavidF
| >> | > |
| >> | > message
| >> | > | | >> | > | > You should resize & optimize first.
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | > | >> | > | > | In publisher some image sizes are 5 megs
| >> | > | > |
| >> | > | > | When I publish to web can publisher reduce image size or do I
| >> have
| >> | > to
| >> | > do
| >> | > | > it
| >> | > | > | manually?
| >> | > | > | I published and site took forever to load
| >> | > | > |
| >> | > | > |
| >> | > | > | John
| >> | > | > |
| >> | > | > |
| >> | > | >
| >> | > | >
| >> | > |
| >> | > |
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> |
| >> |
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
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Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

So far I like 03 a lot...so does my printer buddy. He says it's got more
commercial stuff. I'll find out soon enough I have to finish my non-profit's
Playbill in 30 days.

The copy I have came with Digital Imaging 10, which I haven't installed yet.
If I doo I think my machine will be on image editing overload, but am
tempted to try it. What can I say? Hi my name is Rob and I'm a software
junkie. Hi Rob!

I have Elements as well. But, still end up going back to PS6.

Oh,,,dang I just realized we're wayyyy ot on this..sorry.

R.
| Ha...If the truth be told, I still use Pub 2000 for everything except
| testing purposes and helping out here. It does everything I want to do,
and
| I prefer it to Pub2003 for web building especially. I know, Pub 2003 is
| "better" for print publications, but I have found no need to
switch...guess
| I am one of those, if it ain't broke, why fix it, people.
|
| I have Irfanview installed, but rarely use it. I use PS Elements for most
| things and probably a half dozen other apps for one or two functions. For
| example I like the "warmify" quick fix in Picasa from Google, and haven't
| been able to duplicate it in Elements. It seems like every time I buy a
new
| piece of equipment, I get a new photo editor or organizer, and have just
| quit installing them, especially after loading a couple that took over the
| defaults...
|
| DavidF
|
| | >I try to help when I can. Longtime user of p2000 and now also have 2003
(a
| > tad on the noobish side still with 03).
| >
| > I use IrFanview for quick resize, rename, optimization but PS to
actually
| > edit an image. I find IrFanview much quicker on batch ops.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > |I do too. I didn't mean to confuse people. In an ideal world, they
should
| > | resize and optimize the images in a third party image editing program
| > before
| > | they insert them into a Publisher 2003 webpage, and also use the
| > compression
| > | feature in Publisher. I suggest that because I suspect that most
people
| > do
| > | not fully optimize the images for Publisher, and that there are
probably
| > | other graphics on the pages that will benefit from the compression.
| > Using
| > | both, you get the fastest loading pages.
| > |
| > | FWIW I use Pub 2000 and import my images rather than insert them. I
find
| > I
| > | get better results that way, but that is probably beyond what most
| > people
| > | want to do when they choose to use Publisher to produce their sites.
| > |
| > | Thanks for your comments...they are always helpful.
| > |
| > | DavidF
| > |
| > message
| > | | > | >I like doing it outside of FP or Pub.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | And after that, compress all the images and graphics: "Compress
| > graphics
| > | > | file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web pages":
| > | > | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx
| > | > |
| > | > | DavidF
| > | > |
| > | > message
| > | > | | > | > | > You should resize & optimize first.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | In publisher some image sizes are 5 megs
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | When I publish to web can publisher reduce image size or do I
| > have
| > | > to
| > | > do
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | manually?
| > | > | > | I published and site took forever to load
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | John
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
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DavidF

Believe it or not they eventually load. I think his biggest mistake is he
allowed PNG, and the reason you don't see the images loading in IE, is that
the PNG files produced are large as 2.2 megs. The biggest problem with the
Publisher HTML coding engine is how it deals with images, and the use of
PNGs...

Try loading http://outsideinn.ca/ in FireFox. The images loaded in FireFox
are JPGs, not the bloated PNG versions.

DavidF
 
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Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

holy cannoli there's some pngs in there that are 6 meg.

so...Pub creates a png AND a jpg...sheesh.



| Believe it or not they eventually load. I think his biggest mistake is he
| allowed PNG, and the reason you don't see the images loading in IE, is
that
| the PNG files produced are large as 2.2 megs. The biggest problem with the
| Publisher HTML coding engine is how it deals with images, and the use of
| PNGs...
|
| Try loading http://outsideinn.ca/ in FireFox. The images loaded in FireFox
| are JPGs, not the bloated PNG versions.
|
| DavidF
|
| | > Loads fast now...probably because your image links are not working...and
| > no
| > images are visible.
| >
| >
| > | > | Did you look at the site, do you think its too slow?
| > |
| > | http://outsideinn.ca
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > Ha...If the truth be told, I still use Pub 2000 for everything
except
| > | > testing purposes and helping out here. It does everything I want to
| > do,
| > | > and I prefer it to Pub2003 for web building especially. I know, Pub
| > 2003
| > | > is "better" for print publications, but I have found no need to
| > | > switch...guess I am one of those, if it ain't broke, why fix it,
| > people.
| > | >
| > | > I have Irfanview installed, but rarely use it. I use PS Elements for
| > most
| > | > things and probably a half dozen other apps for one or two
functions.
| > For
| > | > example I like the "warmify" quick fix in Picasa from Google, and
| > haven't
| > | > been able to duplicate it in Elements. It seems like every time I
buy
| > a
| > | > new piece of equipment, I get a new photo editor or organizer, and
| > have
| > | > just quit installing them, especially after loading a couple that
took
| > | > over the defaults...
| > | >
| > | > DavidF
| > | >
| > message
| > | > | > | >>I try to help when I can. Longtime user of p2000 and now also have
| > 2003
| > (a
| > | >> tad on the noobish side still with 03).
| > | >>
| > | >> I use IrFanview for quick resize, rename, optimization but PS to
| > actually
| > | >> edit an image. I find IrFanview much quicker on batch ops.
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >> |I do too. I didn't mean to confuse people. In an ideal world, they
| > | >> should
| > | >> | resize and optimize the images in a third party image editing
| > program
| > | >> before
| > | >> | they insert them into a Publisher 2003 webpage, and also use the
| > | >> compression
| > | >> | feature in Publisher. I suggest that because I suspect that most
| > people
| > | >> do
| > | >> | not fully optimize the images for Publisher, and that there are
| > | >> probably
| > | >> | other graphics on the pages that will benefit from the
compression.
| > | >> Using
| > | >> | both, you get the fastest loading pages.
| > | >> |
| > | >> | FWIW I use Pub 2000 and import my images rather than insert them.
I
| > | >> find I
| > | >> | get better results that way, but that is probably beyond what
most
| > | >> people
| > | >> | want to do when they choose to use Publisher to produce their
| > sites.
| > | >> |
| > | >> | Thanks for your comments...they are always helpful.
| > | >> |
| > | >> | DavidF
| > | >> |
| > | >> message
| > | >> | | > | >> | >I like doing it outside of FP or Pub.
| > | >> | >
| > | >> | >
| > | >> | > | > | >> | > | And after that, compress all the images and graphics:
"Compress
| > | >> graphics
| > | >> | > | file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web pages":
| > | >> | > |
| > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx
| > | >> | > |
| > | >> | > | DavidF
| > | >> | > |
| > | >> | > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <[email protected]>
wrote
| > in
| > | >> | > message
| > | >> | > | | > | >> | > | > You should resize & optimize first.
| > | >> | > | >
| > | >> | > | >
| > | >> | > | >
| > | >> | > | > | > | >> | > | > | In publisher some image sizes are 5 megs
| > | >> | > | > |
| > | >> | > | > | When I publish to web can publisher reduce image size or
do
| > I
| > | >> have
| > | >> | > to
| > | >> | > do
| > | >> | > | > it
| > | >> | > | > | manually?
| > | >> | > | > | I published and site took forever to load
| > | >> | > | > |
| > | >> | > | > |
| > | >> | > | > | John
| > | >> | > | > |
| > | >> | > | > |
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J

john

In Firefox they load much much faster
Can I convert them from png to jpg in irfranview then substitute file
after I have published, or must I import jpg's into pub first?
 
J

john

How do I make publisher publish jpg instead of png?
Just relized reason for being so slow
I only have publisher file, not the seperate images
If I import png then pub exports png is that how it works?
 
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DavidF

John, I think I/we have overloaded you with too much information. You do not
edit the images AFTER you Publish to The Web, and produce the HTML. If you
do not have the original images, then forget about trying to optimize them
before inserting them into your Publisher doc.

Let's back up and take this step by step.

1. First step is to open your Publisher file, go to Tools > Options > Web
Tab and uncheck "Rely on VML..." and "Allow PNG...".

2. Then read the article: "Compress graphics file sizes to create smaller
Publisher Web pages":
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx Then
compress the graphics in your Publisher document as per that article.

3. Use FTP to access the web host server, and delete all the old Publisher
HTML files. This would include your index.htm file and the index_files
folder.

4. Go back to your Publisher file, and Publish to the Web, produce a new
index.htm file and index_files folder and use FTP to upload these new HTML
files.

5. Post back when you are done, and we will look at your site again.

DavidF
 
J

john

I want to thanks you David for all the help
I followed your advice reducing images pub file was 18 meg after compressing
it is 3 megs
When I pre view as a webpage it works great, but when I upload to server it
does not display, its a server setting or somethig

Since I could not get it to work I uploaded backup that I made before I
started screwing arround
everything works now fast as they are small jpg's, but of course its not
updated
the only page they ever need to change is the rates and dates to update the
calendar bookings
is there a way I could just change this page without exporting the whole
site to web
or an easy work arround?


http://outsideinn.ca/page4.html
 

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