Improve publication support, fix bugs, and add archiving.

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HomeSchoolTeacher

This list is related to publishing and archiving after the selected items are
published.

First, the bugs in publishing need to be fixed. I used tabs to create
columns and when I tried to publish to any of the current available formats,
the text became all messed up. At this pont, publishing is useless.

Second, please implement the ability to publish at following levels:
-- page
-- groups of pages
-- pages out of order (using a list of page hyperlinks as a guide)
-- section / multiple sections
-- folder / multiple folders
-- whole notebook

Third, add the ability to archive. This would move the sections / folders
/ whole notebook to another location or even to be burned onto a CD-ROM.
Then it would automatically create a clean setup. If the user wanted, it
should also setup the folder / section structure based on what was archived.

Before I get the generic responses, let me explain why I am using OneNote
and what I want to accomplish. It is a littel bit different than the
standard student notetaking.

I am homeschooling my three sons, and currently I use OneNote to store my
notes about what they have learned and other administrative information:
attendance, stories read, workbook pages completed, etc.

In the future, I plan to use OneNote to store my son's narrations which I
would assume would be 1 - 2 pages at most, but there will be a lot of them.
When my son does research papers or any other longer / more complex document,
I will write a hyperlink in OneNote referencing the external document (Word,
Excel, Quicken, database, art file, music, video, or whatever).

If these notes were just for myself, I would just leave them in OneNote
format. But I live in the state of NJ. The law in NJ states: "The child
must be given an education that meets or exceeds a public school education.
Although nothing needs to be submitted formally, proof of this education must
be available upon request."

I cannot and will not assume that the board of education will be able to
read a OneNote file. I have worked with government agencies before, it is
best to make things as easy for them as possible.

This leaves me with the following possible scenarios. Having OneNote
provide the ability to do all them would be best.

1. PDF format. Option one would be one very very large PDF file. The
second option would be several smaller PDF files based on sections. Each
section would be a separate PDF file. The pages and sub pages in OneNote
would be bookmarks / table of contents in the PDF file.

2. HTML format. This option would create a web page that pretty much looks
like OneNote, except that it is written in HTML.

3. SQL / PHP format. Personally, this is my item of choice. Each page /
sub page would be stored in the SQL database. There would be separate tables
to represent the folder / section / page / sub-page hierarchy of OneNote.
Then there would be PHP templates (similair to the format of PHPBB) to
display the pages. I am not saying that the UI should look like PHPBB. I am
suggesting that the programming should be setup like PHPBB. The displaying
of the data is separate from the processing of the data. That way, as in
PHPBB, the open source community can create templates for the display of the
data.

PDF format and HTML format are appropriate when the end goal is to just burn
the data onto a CD-ROM, and start fresh with the new year or new term.

SQL/PHP format is the best if the person wants to maintain the data year
after year. There would be too much data to maintain in separate files. A
database is needed. If I am asked in year 6 to show that my son has been
educated for the past 6 years, I need those records in a way that I can
easily present them. To be able to just hand the Superitendant of the school
district a web address, username, and password is the easiest solution for
both me and the superitendant.

The reason I did not go with PHPBB to begin with is that I like the WYSIWYG
of OneNote and the "extras" that provides. I want OneNote to enter my data,
but I want a true SQL database to store, sort, and retrieve my data. By
allowing the user to publish to SQL and publishing the table structure, it
will allow the end user to manipulate their data in a way that Microsoft may
not support or more importantly, may not have a desire to support, because of
a limited market.



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Jonathan

See
http://blogs.msdn.com/owen_braun/

and teacher "BTS" who blogs at "teaching with gadgets" at blogger (you have
to search... I just discovered that leaving this window to get a url kills
the whole reply. Ugh! I wrote a lot more but give up (Not a good interface
here, sorry. )

Anyway, I have been looking into this because I, too, teach (fifth grade)
and plan to make either OneNote or InfoSelect into my "hub". I actually
thought - until I saw your detailed post - that ON had a much-better
organized publishing feature set. Now I am not so sure I can use it if I
can't do the same kind of reporting you are talking about.

In Owen Braun's blog Chris Prately's blog is in the side column. Alert them.
They are talking about collaboration!

Jonathan
 
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ricochet

Well, amen to the publishing comments -- everyone in this group says
OneNote's not for publishing, and to push the contect to Word, but
column formatting, as you've noticed, doesn't come over, along with
other problems. For example, I use OneNote for meeting notes, and then
send them out. Well, most folks don't have OneNote, so I have two
choices -- use the Send Menu Item to send it via email and strip the
..one file to prevent confusion, or Send to Word, which screws up the
formatting I like so much for meeting notes. Ever seen what Word does
to templates? They get their own page, and the text is separated from
it, so it looks awful and you have to remove it. Templates should
become watermarks, but it doesn't work this way. Really frustrating.
I want a round-trip feature, as I don't want to have to build a
Word-version, get comments back, and then have to update OneNote to
make sure the latest is in OneNote. Please, Microsoft and team, make
the WYSIWYG work for publishing! Thanks.
 

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