is using 'black pr' to moderate forums moral?

[dbahooker]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33537

Is it moral for a company to PAY someone to speak on a free site?
Does that happen here?

I scream bloody murder-- because most of you dorks can't imagine a more
efficient word; and I see quite a few people spend quite a few hours
trying to put out my fires.

I find it laughable.

Does Microsoft really pay you idiots to argue with me??

 

[Victor]

dbahooker wrote...

http://www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Is it moral for a company to PAY someone to speak on a free site?
Does that happen here?

I scream bloody murder-- because most of you dorks can't imagine a more
efficient word; and I see quite a few people spend quite a few hours
trying to put out my fires.

I find it laughable.

Does Microsoft really pay you idiots to argue with me??

Nobody's paying me, and I think someone's paying you to spam this newsgroup with your
website.

 

[aaron.kempf]

I am honored that you think that the INQ is MY website.

good stuff... lol

seriously though. Who here gets paid by Microsoft to keep me in line?
Does this really happen on usenet? Companies pay marketing firms to
combat certain ideas??

-Aaron

 

[Victor]

I am honored that you think that the INQ is MY website.

good stuff... lol

seriously though. Who here gets paid by Microsoft to keep me in line?
Does this really happen on usenet? Companies pay marketing firms to
combat certain ideas??

-Aaron

Yes, It's called Nerolingustics. It's using language to change someone's mind, or even
damage people. Associations are big.

Watch CNN - they are very good at being racist while not actually saying anything
racist.

It's done by association - the same way that when you hear a song that "reminds you of a
time", an unconscious association can be formed by assigning a positive emotion to what
you want them to think, and anxiety to what you do NOT want them to believe. It's used
in advertising all the time.

When you are in the business (like me), you recognize it. Best part is, since most
people only get the very basics of language in school and never get an education in
advanced lingustics, people deny that it even exists.

Read up on "thought viruses".

 

[aaron.kempf]

I will for sure.

-Aaron
ADP Nationalist

Yes, It's called Nerolingustics. It's using language to change someone's mind, or even
damage people. Associations are big.

Watch CNN - they are very good at being racist while not actually saying anything
racist.

It's done by association - the same way that when you hear a song that "reminds you of a
time", an unconscious association can be formed by assigning a positive emotion to what
you want them to think, and anxiety to what you do NOT want them to believe. It's used
in advertising all the time.

When you are in the business (like me), you recognize it. Best part is, since most
people only get the very basics of language in school and never get an education in
advanced lingustics, people deny that it even exists.

Read up on "thought viruses".

 

[John Vinson]

Does Microsoft really pay you idiots to argue with me??

No. They don't pay us even for volunteering our time to help people.

Don't let your ego get the better of you. It's not about you.

John W. Vinson[MVP]

 

[aaron.kempf]

my ego?

I don't have an ego problem.

People around here have a SKILLSET problem.

and an ATTITUDE problem.

People are free to bash ADP for all you care. but when someone stands
up to clear up the MIS-INFORMATION i get hounded like I'm some asshole?

A dozen odd people; including MVPs-- have been spreading misinformation
about ADP for years and years and years.

And somehow.. I become an asshole when I stand up and say 'this
solution blows MDB out of the water'

I just think that it's funny

and I dont know why poeple are such assholes to me.

YES... if you call me an asshole I will call you an asshole back.

YES if you're an Excel dork and you try to talk shit about my Excel
skills-- of course I'm going to bite back.

I just find it humorous you kids get all bent out of shape with someone
writing in uppercase letters..

I mean-- catch a clue kids.

-Aaron

 

[Harlan Grove]

(e-mail address removed) wrote...

I don't have an ego problem.

....

So you're just reality-challenged?

How 'bout

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.excel/msg/372976d6fd176f56

?

YES if you're an Excel dork and you try to talk shit about my Excel
skills-- of course I'm going to bite back.

....

What Excel skills would those be? Your ignorance of how to print
multiple worksheets at the same time,

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.excel/msg/398d198ff2507257

just for example?

 

[aaron.kempf]

I was saying that you can't do that shit without programming is what I
was saying.

If you need to open up 9 different workbooks and print 2 sheets out of
each.. how are you going to do that without programming?

In Access? Macros are all multiple-choice and shit

it's HELLA easy to

a) do this
b) do that
c) do this again
d) do that again

without writing a DROP of code.

I can survive without _ANY_ VBA.

I can automate the SHIT out of an app without writing a single line of
code.
Without MAINTAINING 300 pages of VBA.

Can Excel???

Because Excel is marketed towards FUCKING RETARDS maybe it should have
some of this low-end functionality like Access does.

 

[aaron.kempf]

and AGAIN for the record.

Access does a MUCH better job at printing than Excel does.

Excel doesn't even support fixed-width printing..
You couldn't print checks from Excel if your life depended on it.

In Access? Fixed-width printing is OUT OF THE BOX.

-Aaron

 

[Harlan Grove]

(e-mail address removed) wrote...

I was saying that you can't do that shit without programming is what I
was saying.

And you were wrong.

If you need to open up 9 different workbooks and print 2 sheets out of
each.. how are you going to do that without programming?

Now you're changing it from workSHEETs to workBOOKs. Just a bit
different. You'd do it manually.

In Access? Macros are all multiple-choice and shit

....

Let's make this a level comparison. Open 9 different ADPs. Print one
report from each. How do you do that with one macro?

I can survive without _ANY_ VBA.

....

Which is a good thing since you probably know as little about it as you
do about Excel formulas.

 

[aaron.kempf]

you see harlan? I can do that without a problem.. but the point of the
matter is that ONE ADP can have multiple REPORTS inside of it.

one APPLICATION has hundreds of reports.

Excel can't even friggin print reports.. you're right.. it's a trick
question

you got me



and for the record

under MACROS

make a new macro

choose 'RunCommand'

MSACCESS.EXE "C:\MyDocument.adp" /X DestinationMacroName

try doing THAT through the command line with your piece of shit CRUTCH

 

[aaron.kempf]

sorry i meant RUNAPP not RunCommand

or 'Shell' if you will.

 

[Harlan Grove]

(e-mail address removed) wrote...

you see harlan? I can do that without a problem.. but the point of the
matter is that ONE ADP can have multiple REPORTS inside of it.

one APPLICATION has hundreds of reports.

....

Yes, but one XLS file can have hundreds of worksheets, and one XLW
workspace can include several XLS files.

I'll return to the question you're not answering: if there were
separate databases, say a financial reporting database and a payroll
database, how would you open ADPs for both at the same time and print
just one report from each using one macro?

 

[dbahooker]

XLW.. is that what you use?

I mean seriously.. maybe I'm just missing something obvious.

1 XLW holds multiple workBOOKS and I can use relative paths in between
them?

Inside my XLW_- think of it as a folder-- what was the name of the old
product.. BINDER??

I can have 10 workBOOKS pointing to each other with relative paths?

and I can move all 10 workBOOKS as a single component?

I'm all about hearing a way to manage this spreadsheet mess.. If I
didn't give a shit i wouldn't be here.


-Aaron

 

[dbahooker]

and is there any way to make a workbook so that you CANT 'shink to fit'
when you go to print it??

-aaron

 

[Harlan Grove]

(e-mail address removed) wrote...

XLW.. is that what you use?

Nope. Just tossing it out as an example.

I mean seriously.. maybe I'm just missing something obvious.

That'd be news!

1 XLW holds multiple workBOOKS and I can use relative paths in between
them?

One XLW workspace holds references to multiple XLS worbbooks. Are you
confusing Excel 97 and later XLW workspaces with Excel 4 XLW workbooks?
Microsoft could have reduced potential confusion by using different
extensions.

When you open an XLW workspace, it opens all the referenced workbooks.
Since Excel has a very perverse inability to load multiple files with
the same base filename, all files open in memory may be referenced just
by their base filenames. Full or relative paths are irrelevant for
formula references between open workbooks.

and I can move all 10 workBOOKS as a single component?

Nope. Can you move 10 different ADPs or MDBs as a single component? Are
you confusing OS operations with application functionality?

I'm all about hearing a way to manage this spreadsheet mess.. If I
didn't give a shit i wouldn't be here.

Your purpose in, er, participating in this newsgroup or any other that
you've, er, graced with your postings has nothing to do with learning.

 

[dbahooker]

lol

no really-- I am open to learning.. I just am off by a factor of 10
when I consider manageability in Excel.

Is there somewhere I can go to take really really intense courses on
'best practices' when it comes to Excel?

you're right.. i only understand 40% of what it takes to be a
successful spreadsheet developer.

I just can't comprehend what it's like to deal with Excel and only
Excel.

I just wish that there was something equivalent to www.sqlsoft.com for
spreadsheets-- where I could take intense courses-- and other jr
spreadsheet developers could get up to speed.

-Aaron

 

[aaron.kempf]

I was primarily asking about doing things sequentially-- fire off a
bunch of reports without sitting around and pressing print by hand--
like for a month-closing for example

1) out of the box the description for RunApp states "Starts another
Windows or MS-DOS application, such as Microsoft Excel or Word. The
specified application then runs in the foreground and the macro
continues to run"

Here are the details for 'RunApp'

------------------------------------------------------------------
RunApp Action
You can use the RunApp action to run a Microsoft Windows-based or
MS-DOS-based application, such as Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Word, or
Microsoft PowerPoint, from within Microsoft Access. For example, you
may want to paste Excel spreadsheet data into your Access database.

Setting
The RunApp action has the following argument.

Action argument Description
Command Line The command line used to start the application (including
the path and any other necessary parameters, such as switches that run
the application in a particular mode). Enter the command line in the
Command Line box in the Action Arguments section of the Macro window.
This is a required argument.

Remarks
The application selected with this action loads and runs in the
foreground. The macro containing this action continues to run after
starting the application.

You can transfer data between the other application and Access by using
the Microsoft Windows dynamic data exchange (DDE) facility or the
Clipboard. You can use the SendKeys action to send keystrokes to the
other application (although DDE is a more efficient method for
transferring data). You can also share data among applications by using
Automation.

MS-DOS-based applications run in an MS-DOS window within the Windows
environment.

In Windows operating systems, there are a number of ways to run an
application, including starting the program from the Windows Explorer,
using the Run command on the Start menu, and double-clicking a program
icon on the Windows Desktop.

You can't run the RunApp action in Microsoft Visual Basic. Use the
Visual Basic Shell function instead.
-----------------------------------------------------------

so I would have a macro in each destination adp.. and RunApp for the
path to these to do with out of the box without doing anything funny.
Out of the box without writing any code

If you want more options:

2) I could schedule these reports using SQL Agent-- which comes with
MSDE: and have these sent out on a scheduled basic.. right-click
SCHEDULE would be all it would take.. the SQL Job Scheduler is _QUITE_
friggin powerful.. nothign similiar to that inside of MS Excel now is
there??

3) have a DTS package that is running in the background that runs 100
processes at the same time. I use that trick for parsing text all the
time. Does Excel include a DTS tool? LoL.

4) or if worst came to worst; I could just open multiple instances of
Acces by hand; if it gives you a hard time you can put a shortcut to
MSACCESS.exe in the sendto dir and that will get through the trouble.

Do you know what I mean-- when you have one LONG-running Excel macro
and you double-click on a spreadsheet.. and it doesn't open Excel since
'Excel is busy'

well putting a shortcut to EXCEL.exe in your sendto directory would fix
that problem as well

5) there is some shellEx or some other function / API call where you
can specify whether you want to wait or not.. I can't find it right now
and I dont really need it. Anything i do through the command line; most
of it runs from the db server xp_cmdShell 'dir c:\' etc.. get the
results from a dos command and keep them in a database? xp_cmdshell
makes it super-duper easy.


-Aaron

 

[Harlan Grove]

(e-mail address removed) wrote...
....

Is there somewhere I can go to take really really intense courses on
'best practices' when it comes to Excel?

....

There's MOS certification.

Viewing Excel as developer, the best practices from other development
environments also apply to Excel. You just have to add support tools
yourself.

I just can't comprehend what it's like to deal with Excel and only
Excel.

....

I wouldn't know either. I tend to rely more on executables and
scripting languages for most of what I develop for other people to use.
The few spreadsheets I maintain fetch data from other files and display
the results of a few somewhat complex calculations, then have an option
to save the displayed results as text files. The workbook itself isn't
meant to be saved. That is, it's meant to be a black box.