I've been banned from UtterAccess

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aaron.kempf

FULL FLEDGED SHAREPOINT DOES COME WITH EVERY VERSION OF SERVER. (2003
and 2008).
FULL FLEDGED SHAREPOINT DOES COME WITH EVERY VERSION OF SERVER. (2003
and 2008).
FULL FLEDGED SHAREPOINT DOES COME WITH EVERY VERSION OF SERVER. (2003
and 2008).
FULL FLEDGED SHAREPOINT DOES COME WITH EVERY VERSION OF SERVER. (2003
and 2008).
FULL FLEDGED SHAREPOINT DOES COME WITH EVERY VERSION OF SERVER. (2003
and 2008).
FULL FLEDGED SHAREPOINT DOES COME WITH EVERY VERSION OF SERVER. (2003
and 2008).
FULL FLEDGED SHAREPOINT DOES COME WITH EVERY VERSION OF SERVER. (2003
and 2008).



you've never worked with a single organization where WSS is not big
enough to house _ALL_ of their data.
 
T

Tony Toews [MVP]

MDB IS NOT A NATIVE FORMAT OF ACCESS 2007.

MDB and ACCDB are both native formats of A2007.
ADP IS THE MOST POPULAR FORMAT IN ACCESS 2000, 2002 and 2003. AND
2007.

Absolute rubbish.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
 
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David W. Fenton

[quoting the Access Team Blog]
UtterAccess, the web 2.0 social learning platform for Access
developers

That just shows that the terms "web 2.0" and "social learning
platform" have no actual meaning. There is *noting* web 2.0 about
UA, nor is it part of the social networking movement as seen with
FaceBook and MySpace and others.
 
T

Tony Toews [MVP]

ACCESS REPLICATION WORKS FOR ME BECAUSE I USE ADP.
I also have database mirroring and database snapshots.

Do you?

Yet another answer that doesn't answer any questions.
ACCESSS REPLICATION WAS REMOVED FROM ACCESS 2007 (FORMAT) BECAUSE IT
IS NOT RELIABLE ENOUGH.

I'm curious. How do you know this?

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
 
J

James A. Fortune

David said:
For calling a stupid suggestion a stupid suggestion, one of the
moderators at UtterAccess has banned me because I refused to
apologize for the infraction of calling bad advice bad advice.

Be warned that on UtterAccess.com, anyone can post terrible advice
if they do it politely (according to what the moderators arbitrarily
consider "polite") and continue to post bad advice. If, on the other
hand, one strongly criticizes someone else's advice, you can be
banned, even if you're right about the bad advice.

I would suggest that this should makes anyone question the
reliability of anything posted on UtterAccess if it's not confirmed
elsewhere.

Disclaimer: I have never posted in UtterAccess and I only read postings
there when they come up from a link or from a Google search so I am
unaware of the cultural climate that exists there. The reason for my
lack of dealings with UtterAccess is simply that I am busy enough that
the problems that come up in CDMA and MPA are adequate to satisfy my
curiosity at this time.

Since neither side is going to change, perhaps you should concentrate on
the future. The UtterAccess forum can claim that they are not as
extreme as San Angeles from "Demolition Man" :). However, in the
future, rude will be considered, well, rude. You can claim that the way
you were taught works, but I find that "Boy named Sue" argument weak.
The abuse you received as a child, metaphorically speaking, should not,
IMO, be repeated just because you think it will make people stronger, as
it did you. If you feel that people need to have a strong disincentive
to make the truth sink in, then there are subtler ways to insult bad
ideas. I have a strong enough desire to help people learn Access that I
am even willing, at times, to make myself look foolish in order to help
the idea sink in. I don't see you as someone who would let that happen
to himself, so your options are more limited. In pool, you can help a
player get better by ridiculing every mistake or by re-enforcing
fundamentals. Players seem to respond better to positive reinforcement.
Although in pool, visualizations like those in "The Waterboy" seem to
be more effective in helping one's game than those in "Happy Gilmore"
:). I am also reminded of the philosophical underpinnings of the
former TV series "Babylon 5." The Shadows motivated mankind through
fear. I suppose the "Fear Factor" needs to be there somewhere, but I'd
rather not be the one who brings it.

I think you will be much more effective by abandoning such puerile
methods. But feel free to use whatever methods really bring you the
results you want. Because you've been rude to people, including jumping
all over me when I didn't understand something (getting Client-Server
confused with an Access backend on a server long ago comes to mind), I
tried not to cut you any slack. I apologize for that. That was the
wrong way to react. I'll be kinder to you in the future, even if you do
not change. I almost stopped posting after the first time you went off
on one of my mistakes, but I persevered, so maybe your theory is valid,
maybe not. I would like to think that some of my contributions in the
newsgroups have been helpful enough to some that they may ponder for
just a moment what your style almost cost them. I don't say this as a
way to advocate censorship, but to point out that our social conventions
are often there for logical reasons. I try to take into consideration
that your style is partially a product of your NYC environment, but I
still hope that you'll consider taking my advice.

James A. Fortune
(e-mail address removed)

Eastern and Western philosophies balance each other, just as the right
brain balances the left brain.
 
D

David W. Fenton

:
ACCESS REPLICATION WORKS FOR ME BECAUSE I USE ADP.

There is no such thing as "Access replication." Replication is a
feature of the data store, so it's either Jet replication or SQL
Server replication. Since you use ADPs, if you're doing any
replication, you're using SQL Server.
I also have database mirroring and database snapshots.

I'm so very happy for you.
Do you?

ACCESSS REPLICATION WAS REMOVED FROM ACCESS 2007 (FORMAT) BECAUSE
IT IS NOT RELIABLE ENOUGH.

There is no single A2007 format. There are several native formats,
ACCDB, and MDB in all three varieties (2000, 2002, 2003).

You are an ignorant moron. Please stop posting your false answers.
 
D

David W. Fenton

:
ACCESSS REPLICATION WAS REMOVED FROM ACCESS 2007 (FORMAT) BECAUSE
IT IS NOT RELIABLE ENOUGH.

Actually, they ommitted it from the ACCDB format (along with ULS)
because it's too hard for casual users. A2007 is unquestionably and
end-user-oriented release of Access, and for security and
replication, they made the decision that these were back-end issues,
and if you need those features, you use a different back end.

I disagree vehemently with that decision, but it was made for reason
that have nothing at all to do with reliability. Jet replication is
just as reliable as all other operations with a Jet back end.
 
A

aaron.kempf

David;

you're not qualified to determine who gives bad advice and who
doesn't.

You're a JET cry baby! You're stupid!
 
A

aaron.kempf

MDB is _NOT_ a native format.

Sorry-- but i'll never accept that argument.

SQL Server / ADP is a native format.. because it runs natively.
Jet takes about 12 layers to do the same thing.

-Aaron
 
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aaron.kempf

No Tony-- y0u are absolute rubbish

Just because you attempted ONE upsizing and failed-- that doesn't mean
that it's not the right solution for everyone else.

It's called egocentrism..
but you're canadian so it's spelled
F_U_C_K_Y_O_U_R_M_I_S_I_N_F_O_R_M_A_T_I_O_N
 
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aaron.kempf

because I used Jet replication extensively..

and it didn't work reliably enough.. so I built my own.

-Aaron
 
A

aaron.kempf

too hard? ROFL

is it too hard for SQL Server professionals?

no-- they're dumbing down Access!!!
Just like they have been for the past decade.
 
B

BruceM

It's a pity these groups are not moderated to ban people who post offensive
personal remarks.

Go ahead, Aaron. Say something like:
"Other people say mean things to me"
or
"Somebody else started it"

No Tony-- y0u are absolute rubbish

Just because you attempted ONE upsizing and failed-- that doesn't mean
that it's not the right solution for everyone else.

It's called egocentrism..
but you're canadian so it's spelled
F_U_C_K_Y_O_U_R_M_I_S_I_N_F_O_R_M_A_T_I_O_N
 
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aaron.kempf

it's a pity that your arguments aren't strong enough to win me over ;)

Of course, Im a certified DBA and I've built my career-- working on
the worlds most popular database...
So maybe you'll have to convince Microsoft and the whole wide world
first ;)

And meanwhile, you're stuck in the 1st grade of the database world
 
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David W. Fenton

It's a pity these groups are not moderated to ban people who post
offensive personal remarks.

I completely disagree. The answer to "offensive" speech is MORE
SPEECH. When there's free discourse, it often becomes clear that
what one person finds offensive is something another finds
admirable.
 
A

aaron.kempf

well maybe you should write a letter to microsoft trying to convince
them that their MVPs don't need to try to rid the internet of swearing
well maybe you should write a letter to microsoft trying to convince
them that their MVPs don't need to try to rid the internet of swearing
well maybe you should write a letter to microsoft trying to convince
them that their MVPs don't need to try to rid the internet of swearing
 
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BruceM

You're welcome to disagree with my view that f-bombs and other forms of
personal attack do not promote discourse. Aaron wrote:

"It's called egocentrism..
but you're canadian so it's spelled ..."
followed by a munged curse.

Try as I may, I see nothing admirable in that species of attack.
 
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a a r o n . k e m p f

well I'm just glad that you're not in charge of Usenet / Google

There's nothing wrong with f-bombs
so sorry that you go to church.. that doesn't mean that your premise--
that people should be polite-- is soooo ingrained in your head.. that
you insist on jamming _YOUR_ morals into _MY_ life.

it doesn't mean that you need to insist that
_EVERYONE_WHO_USES_ACCESS_USE_YOUR_FLAVOR_OF_ACCESS_

it doesn't mean that you need to insist that
_EVERYONE_WHO_USES_ACCESS_USE_YOUR_FLAVOR_OF_ACCESS_

it doesn't mean that you need to insist that
_EVERYONE_WHO_USES_ACCESS_USE_YOUR_FLAVOR_OF_ACCESS_
 
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BruceM

And I'm glad you're not in charge of anything at all. By the way,
congratulations on your continued demonstration of copy and paste
proficiency.

I do not insist what you claim I do. There is a place for SQL server. You,
not I, are the monomaniacal person here.

message
 
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aaron.kempf

you _DO_ insist that everyone uses Jet for everything
you _DO_ insist that nobody else uses SQL Server-- and you do it
because you can't bother to question authority.

just because Tony Toews had a little bit of trouble on his
_ONE_UPSIZING_ATTEMPT_WHERE_HE_FAILED_
you think that SQL SERVER SHOULD NEVER BE USED

every single time that there is a user complaining of corruption-- I
barge in and say 'move to SQL Server, duh' and you fucking attack me--
follow me around.

the only thing I was ever charged with was 'repetitive unwanted
communication' and it's the same thing that you're doing right now
the only thing I was ever charged with was 'repetitive unwanted
communication' and it's the same thing that you're doing right now
the only thing I was ever charged with was 'repetitive unwanted
communication' and it's the same thing that you're doing right now
 

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