Licence on two computers....

[Beth Melton]

LOL, Nah. Questioning answers is one of the best ways to determine the
correct answer.

I'll grant you that the first response could have had a bit more finesse and
I suspect they didn't have all of the new complexities of licensing in mind
at the time. You're also right about asking for more information, such as:
Where did you purchase it? And if it is a trial version was it downloaded or
installed by the OEM, etc. is usually what others ask. Plus since you did
purchase Office 2007 recently you're entitled to know more about why
undertaking the dreaded task of reading a EULA might be important to you.

I recently read several EULAs, around 19 pages each, found on Office Online
and it was only a few days ago that I learned there's a difference between a
downloaded trial version and a trial version installed by the OEM. I'm still
attempting to obtain clarification on various points, such as replacement
media. <sigh>

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[Gordon]

Usenet was established around 1980.

But was fairly obscure until the introduction of general public internet
access....

 

[Val]

(synopsis:
OP asked if Office Standard 2007 could be installed on his/her two
computers. Several of the early responses, mine included, referred the OP
to read the EULA for the software. Several posters took umbrage to this
advice, asking why no one would just give OP a straight answer.)

In addition to the well written response that there are several various
versions of the license for many of the versions of Office, depending on how
the license was obtained, on what the OP meant by "two computers", I'd like
to share my rationale.

First of all, as noted, OP did not provide sufficient information for anyone
to give a definitive answer.

Secondly, I (and I would guess a good number of other regular posters here)
do get a little tired of the "drive by questions", where someone drops in,
posts a question, maybe waits around long enough to get an answer, and is
gone. Did they bother to search the past posts on the newsgroup? Did they
Google or ask.com or yahoo the question? Did they even look at the Help
feature in the program? A large number of posts are repeats of previous
questions, asked and answered time and time again, sometimes multiple times
in a day! We all want to feel unique, that are problems are new and
special, but that's generally not the case.

Third, as a teacher, I don't generally answer a question with a direct
reply. That seems contradictory to my role, but let me explain. When a
student comes to me and says they are having trouble with such and such, I
ask them what they've already done to find the answer. Did they review
their notes? Did they (heaven forbid) read the textbook? Did they examine
the sample files that are provided? If they claim to have done all these
things and are still perplexed, then I point them to the pertinent text,
samples, and ask them how that might apply to their present problem. I
create new examples, that might better point out the concept or technique.
But in all this, I'm trying to lead the student to discover their own
answer, and to better learn how to find their answers in the future.

On the other hand, I've answered many questions on this and other newsgroups
in a direct manner. When the question is odd, obtuse, perhaps requiring
more skill or background in searching for the solution than the average user
might have, the lesson above might not be appropriate. But I try to provide
the logic of my search as well as the answer, in hopes of helping that OP
with the challenging problem in the future.

stepping off the soapbox,
Val

 

[Zadig Galbaras]

Wow...

Been away for the weekend...

About reading the EULA.
I'm Norwegian...and some people says I'm stupid too...but for me reading a
lot of legal mumbo-jumbo in a foreign language is a bit tedious and it just
dries my brains out...and we don't want that now, do we?

The software in question was installed on a stationary desktop.

Now, I want to install it on my handy 13.1" Packard Bell Easy Note portable
computer to be able to carry all of my Outlook activities with me.
Shouldn't that comply to the option b?
"b. Portable Device. You may install another copy on a portable device for
use by the single primary user of the licensed device."

So in reality I can go ahead and install it, and during installation use the
phone to activate it if necessary?

PS:
Indeed I am one of those millions NOT reading the EULA document in any
software I have installed.
But I buy my software.
I buy it because I need it to get a job done.
Most of the time I only install software on one computer.
Therefore I don't read the EULA.
I am more than fifty years old, and my pirating days are over.


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(nick)
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"Peter Foldes" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
Yes I did. The OP was talking about 2 Desktops.

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There's one that didn't read the EULA.

From the Office Standard 2007 EULA
"2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a
license,
you must assign that license to one device. That device is the "licensed
device." A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate
device.
a. Licensed Device. You may install and use one copy of the software on
the
licensed device.
b. Portable Device. You may install another copy on a portable device for
use by the single primary user of the licensed device."


Office 2007 Standard is 1 install for 1 computer only.

 

[XS11E]

About reading the EULA.
I'm Norwegian...and some people says I'm stupid too...but for me
reading a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo in a foreign language is a bit
tedious and it just dries my brains out...and we don't want that
now, do we?

You assume too much. Here's the pertinant part of my Office 2003 EULA,
it's NOT a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo. It's easy to read and understand.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights provided
that you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:
1.1 Installation and use. You may:
(a) install and use a copy of the Software on one personal computer or
other device; and
(b) install an additional copy of the Software on a second, portable
device for the exclusive use of the primary user of the first copy of
the Software.

 

[Beth Melton]

If the copy of Office was purchased from a retailer, not preinstalled on the
computer, and not originally a trial version, and if you are reading, "You
may install another copy on a portable device for use by the single primary
user of the licensed device", then I'd say you're okay. (If you're still not
sure, look for "FPP" in the bottom right corner of your product key
sticker.)

BTW, usually if you can find the pertinent portion, such as in this case
"Licensing" it will answer your question without the need to read the entire
legal mumbo-jumbo.

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Wow...

Been away for the weekend...

About reading the EULA.
I'm Norwegian...and some people says I'm stupid too...but for me reading a
lot of legal mumbo-jumbo in a foreign language is a bit tedious and it
just dries my brains out...and we don't want that now, do we?

The software in question was installed on a stationary desktop.

Now, I want to install it on my handy 13.1" Packard Bell Easy Note
portable computer to be able to carry all of my Outlook activities with
me.
Shouldn't that comply to the option b?
"b. Portable Device. You may install another copy on a portable device for
use by the single primary user of the licensed device."

So in reality I can go ahead and install it, and during installation use
the phone to activate it if necessary?

PS:
Indeed I am one of those millions NOT reading the EULA document in any
software I have installed.
But I buy my software.
I buy it because I need it to get a job done.
Most of the time I only install software on one computer.
Therefore I don't read the EULA.
I am more than fifty years old, and my pirating days are over.


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Zadig Galbaras
(nick)
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"Peter Foldes" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
Yes I did. The OP was talking about 2 Desktops.

 

[Beth Melton]

I agree the pertinent info isn't hard to understand but just so you know,
the Office 2007 EULA for the various suites now includes three scenarios:
Retail, OEM, and MLK and each includes varying License terms. So to read a
EULA for Office 2007, first you need the 'designator' and then find the
section that applies. I can see a LOT of folks not realizing this and
reading the wrong section, which I just realized I may not have emphasized
in my reply to Nick. (Didn't I just say something about offering advice on
the legalities in this same thread? lol)

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[XS11E]

I agree the pertinent info isn't hard to understand but just so
you know, the Office 2007 EULA for the various suites now includes
three scenarios: Retail, OEM, and MLK and each includes varying
License terms. So to read a EULA for Office 2007, first you need
the 'designator' and then find the section that applies. I can see
a LOT of folks not realizing this and reading the wrong section,
which I just realized I may not have emphasized in my reply to
Nick.

Good information, I don't have the Office 2007 EULA available but if I
ever install it again I'll take a look.

One thing I notice, the EULAs are not laid out on the MSFT website in
usable form any more or if they are I didn't see them.

 

[Beth Melton]

Good information, I don't have the Office 2007 EULA available but if I
ever install it again I'll take a look.

One thing I notice, the EULAs are not laid out on the MSFT website in
usable form any more or if they are I didn't see them.

Here's what I've been using:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA102103171033.aspx

Note that the MLK is a trial version installed by the OEM that a user may
opt to purchase later which is different than the trial version you can
download which is considered the same as a retail version. A couple of us
are putting together some info on this but we have to make sure we have it
all figured out first. <grin>

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[XS11E]

Here's what I've been using:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA102103171033.aspx

Yes, that's the problem, if you select an Office version you're taken
to a download. I recall the EULAs used to be laid out so you could
click and open the one you wanted w/o having to download, save and then
open. It was easier and quicker to copy and paste a section to answer
a question than it is now.

 

[Val]

Here's what I've been using:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA102103171033.aspx

Yes, that's the problem, if you select an Office version you're taken
to a download. I recall the EULAs used to be laid out so you could
click and open the one you wanted w/o having to download, save and then
open. It was easier and quicker to copy and paste a section to answer
a question than it is now.
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~~~~~

Once again, here's where you can get the EULAs for most all MS products, in
PDF format.

http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx

Val

 

[Beth Melton]

I keep forgetting about that one. Thanks!

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[Zadig Galbaras]

The software in question is MS Office Standard 2007, and yes, there is a FPP
in the bottom right corner of my product key sticker.

Thanks to everyone contributing to lighten up my mumbo-jumbo legal haze.

This weekend I will install the software on my tiny portable...

 

[Beth Melton]

Glad you have it worked out.

I'm almost to the point of having it worked out myself....almost. Notice
that I used "should be okay" and not "definitely okay". <grin>

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[Zadig Galbaras]

I installed my MS Office 2007 Standard Edition on my protable and activated
it over the net.
No problem at all!