MS Project Experience?

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Boston

How did the expert MS Project users in this discussion group manage to get
from newbie to expert........????

If you don't have experience, you can't become an expert. Are there
certifications available for schedulers only or are the certifications for
PMs only?
Thanks...............
 
D

Dave

How did the expert MS Project users in this discussion group manage to get
from newbie to expert........????

If you don't have experience, you can't become an expert. Are there
certifications available for schedulers only or are the certifications for
PMs only?
Thanks...............

I don't know about certifications for schedulers. I'm familiar with, but
don't have, the PMP for Project Managers. Even at that, I don't consider a
PMP necessarily an expert. I consider a PMP knowledgeable. I've met a few I
wouldn't let build me a doghouse. To be an expert, you have to know things
most PMPs don't know because they aren't even on the exam. The whole
leadership thing, which in itself is hard to define. I hate to say it, but
I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it. Whatever it is,
it's way beyond memorizing a book or passing a certification exam.

Hope this helps in your world.
 
J

John

Boston said:
How did the expert MS Project users in this discussion group manage to get
from newbie to expert........????

If you don't have experience, you can't become an expert. Are there
certifications available for schedulers only or are the certifications for
PMs only?
Thanks...............

Boston,
Like many types of testing, certification does not make anyone an
expert. Someone can know all the right answers and still not have a clue
when it comes to using what they "know" for real world scenarios and
innovative solutions.

How does one get from newbie to expert? In my opinion it is long term
exposure and use of the application. The more you use it, the more you
understand and the more you learn. Depending on the individual, that can
be several months to several years. For example, I've been using Project
since the mid 90s. I do not consider myself an expert - far from it -
I'm kind of in the category of knowing just enough to be dangerous.

John
Project MVP
 
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Jim Aksel

Expertise is gained only over time, one mistake at time. To be good at
scheduling requires careful analytical thought and a thorough understanding
of the principles of Project Management including scope, budget and schedule.

Get yourself a mentor, someone who you feel does it very well. Learn from
them. Read in these forums .... a lot. You will be surprised what I learn
out here from my peers. I can't tell you how many times I go to answer a
question out here and I create a small three line schedule "Project1.mpp" and
try things. You learn by experimenting and a lot of colorful metaphors.

What I've learned is being able to manipulate a scheduling tool has nothing
to do with being good at it. I consider myself blessed that I have been able
to get very good at this tool by studying how it behaves compared to
management expectations and make it do the correct things consistent with
good practices.

Certification tests and the like really don't tell us too terribly much
other than an independent 3rd party says we rise to the height of some
knowledge bar and experience. That is all well and good; the world is full
of people who have been off to "boot camps" to cram their heads full of
enough information to pass the certification exams in any field you can
possibly name. The real measure of expertise is advertised in the quiet
confidence portrayed in answers to questions, and the value added assistance
provided to customers. As you said, you know it when you see it. When I
interview candidates, I want to hear about success stories and how they
overcame obstacles, not just they rate themselves 9/10 in Project.

All that said, I did go out an sit for the PMP exam (I are one thanks) and
it makes my phone ring. But the real reason I land contracts is becuase of
service delivery not the letters after my name. The ability to provide
service comes from years of doing it well and learning from my mistakes, not
a class.

Two other things you may want to consider. Although a certification does
not guaranty success or expertise, it certainly is a check list item (like a
college degree). A cert will tell others, "Hey, they say I am supposed to
know what I am doing." To that end there are two exams making the rounds:

Project Management Insititure (www.pmi.org) has a new credential called the
Scheduling Managment Professional. Here's a link:
http://www.pmischeduling.com/Home.aspx

The cert and test are brand new, there are fewer than 100 of them out there.
They contacted me and I will hopefully join their ranks on Monday. The
prerequisite is several years scheduing experience and 45 contact hours of
instruction in a somewhat formal manner (like an online class). We'll see
how it goes. It is a test about "scheduling" and not about "MS Project."

Microsoft has also jumped into the fray with their own exams. They have a
series of exams dealing with general using MS Project through enterprise
project management and Project Server. Obviously the exams are tool driven
and there will have to be some overlap between those exams and what PMI is
advertising. Here is a link to the Microsoft Test:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exams/70-632.mspx

Hopefully this helps. If you poke around on the link below, you will
eventually find a way to contact me outside this forum.
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If this post was helpful, please consider rating it.

Jim

Check out my new blog for more information:
http://www.msprojectblog.com
 
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Jack Dahlgren

Practice makes perfect. Learning from someone good also helps.
Ironically, teaching other people is one of the best ways to become an
expert.
Try answering questions in this newsgroup. If you don't know the answer,
then research and find it. Next time you will have the answer.
And, since the questions are from other people, there is a wide variety of
problems which you would not normally run into.

-Jack Dahlgren
 
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Dave

Totally self-taught. Started with a book, did a few real projects
(already had experience of other tools) and then started trying to
answer questions on these newsgroups. Nothing like solving actual
problems to increase expertise.

Ended up teaching colleagues as well.
 

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