Office 2008 Question

[Phillip Jones]

Hi Phillip:

Good GRIEF!! I had forgotten that one!! The first version of the Format
Painter. Before it became the Format Painter...

I think you are the FIRST other user I have ever met that knew about that
one!!!

Cheers

I used the heck out of that feature. Great for fixing Bylaws and working
rules, where you have the Main heading then sub parts, then sub, sub parts.

It not exactly like an outline, but then again it is sort of. The
difference is you go into a lot of detail. It seems to be riped out of
2001/2004.

The little black boxes were in front of the paragraphs and the paragraph
marks were at the end as today.

Here is an example: (the box is filled in Black and only about 1/3 as
large as I am showing with my drawing below:

_
|_| Hello there, how are you today.
Nice to see you. how's the Family.

Do you know what the feature I was referring to where you could double
click on the little black square in front of any paragraph and scroll to
any other forward or backwards and click on it and have that one take on
the style characteristics of the one you copied.

I miss that.

That's twice in row I agree with you Philip

Yes, Word 6 was the last version of Mac Word I actually LIKED I used it
in business at Optus Ltd in Sydney.

The reason I really liked it was that it was exactly the same as the PC
version, and wasn't missing any bits

I know I am a lone voice crying in the dark here, but I keep trying to tell
Microsoft that when people go out to buy "Office", what they have in mind is
the full PC-version "just like the one at work". That's what they think
they're buying, and when they get the reality home, it's a huge let-down.

That doesn't strike me as very clever behaviour for a software company.

Cheers


On 31/08/07 6:43 AM, in article (e-mail address removed),

Jim Gordon MVP wrote:
Hi Phillip,

I love conspiracy theories. 911 = conspiracy. I buy that completely. But
not
about Office.

We Mac people had a fit when Microsoft made Office 4.2.1. That was Word 6,
Excel 5 and PowerPoint 4. They were identical Mac and PC as much as
possible. Mac people hated it. We had Word 5, which was better than Word 6
and we screamed bloody murder. After that, Microsoft decided no more making
Office identical Mac & PC.
You may pass out from shock but because W6 and E5 was the first versions
of the program I had. I thought and still do that that was the best laid
out and had the best feature set. It had one flaw I hated. How it
handled doing form letters using a mailing list. I never could get the
printer setting to line up as the should . of course back the I used a
DeskJet 650 printer and could have been the driver but everything else
worked right.

WordPerfect had the absolute perfect system for that task. I'd do
envelopes of WP 3.5.x and everything else in Word.

One feature W6 had that was killed in Office 2001 and up was when you
clicked on the little symbol that looked to be like some type of musical
note, to see the invisible characters.

you could see something like little black squares at the beginning of
each paragraph you could double click on that square, scroll to desired
paragraph and click once on it black box, bang that whole paragraph was
changed to the style that was used in the one you double clicked on. I
used that feature all the time. In Office2001 and 2004 its gone infact
you kno longer see the little squares.

I'm a big fan of empowerment, too. I think the model of central computing
that exists in open source and big business is a doomed model imposed by
control freaks and bullies. It takes the most important aspects of a
computer's power away from the user and gives it to a central authority,
whom users must trust and obey and are powerless against. Scripting
languages unleash users and frees them from the power mongers who make
decisions based on their own interests, not the users. The "dumb terminal"
requires a "dumb user." It's the opposite of what I think the Mac is about.

-Jim
If you think its as serious, as you think then then you as super users
ought to get together and change their mind. But I've never knowing ly
used any.

While I admit I am small fry, I have writing various documents for the
Electronics Association I belong to, and the need on either end (PC or
Mac) has never came up) and I've been a part of this group for some 30+
years.

Quoting from "Phillip Jones" <[email protected]>, in article
#[email protected], on [DATE:

well If you do want me to bring it up.

It is a MS Conspiracy to, make mac people unhappy so they will throw up
their hands and throwaway their Mac's because it doesn't work exactly
alike on the Mac and on the PC.

The problem is on this particular subject it ho-hum. Because probably
about 95% of normal users on a Mac Don't even knowingly use Applescript,
much less know about macros and VBA. So this is wasted and dangerous use
resources. VBA and Macro's. Both are super easy to write nasty code for
that can reek havoc on any OS. ON OS9, on Mac if you purchased the OS
you received a thick book thicker than on the OS for Apple script. I
would put away in a deep dark corner somewhere and eventual they got
thrown out. Now today Its part of the system and apple assumes everyone
in the days of OS7.5.2 learned how to use it so they don't even bring it
up when touting new features of the new OS. IF it was up to me I'd ban
all such do it your self scripting languages, such as applescript, VBA,
Macro generators, etc; because the eventually cause problems either by
accident, but usually on purpose.

Anyways I though I'd send something out so you wouldn't think I am
unwell.
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[John McGhie]

Hi Phillip:

Oh yeah, I remember the feature

The "Format Painter" will do the same job these days, provided you remember
to select the paragraph mark before hitting the Format Painter button.

And whereas double-clicking the "Flow control indicator" would give you only
a single copy (from memory) you can double-click he Format painter and it
will stay on until you click it again, allowing multiple format pastes.

The Format Painter has improved in the past couple of versions: it used to
copy only the formatting properties, not the style name, which would trash
the formatting of a document that was properly formatted with styles. Now,
the Format Painter will copy styles properly so it's safe to use on
documents that are properly formatted.

Elliott, of course, has to copy the whole paragraph mark because he has
hidden the Format Painter

Cheers

Hi Phillip:

Good GRIEF!! I had forgotten that one!! The first version of the Format
Painter. Before it became the Format Painter...

I think you are the FIRST other user I have ever met that knew about that
one!!!

Cheers

I used the heck out of that feature. Great for fixing Bylaws and working
rules, where you have the Main heading then sub parts, then sub, sub parts.

It not exactly like an outline, but then again it is sort of. The
difference is you go into a lot of detail. It seems to be riped out of
2001/2004.

The little black boxes were in front of the paragraphs and the paragraph
marks were at the end as today.

Here is an example: (the box is filled in Black and only about 1/3 as
large as I am showing with my drawing below:

_
|_| Hello there, how are you today.
Nice to see you. how's the Family.

Do you know what the feature I was referring to where you could double
click on the little black square in front of any paragraph and scroll to
any other forward or backwards and click on it and have that one take on
the style characteristics of the one you copied.

I miss that.

John McGhie wrote:
That's twice in row I agree with you Philip

Yes, Word 6 was the last version of Mac Word I actually LIKED I used
it
in business at Optus Ltd in Sydney.

The reason I really liked it was that it was exactly the same as the PC
version, and wasn't missing any bits

I know I am a lone voice crying in the dark here, but I keep trying to tell
Microsoft that when people go out to buy "Office", what they have in mind
is
the full PC-version "just like the one at work". That's what they think
they're buying, and when they get the reality home, it's a huge let-down.

That doesn't strike me as very clever behaviour for a software company.

Cheers


On 31/08/07 6:43 AM, in article (e-mail address removed),

Jim Gordon MVP wrote:
Hi Phillip,

I love conspiracy theories. 911 = conspiracy. I buy that completely. But
not
about Office.

We Mac people had a fit when Microsoft made Office 4.2.1. That was Word
6,
Excel 5 and PowerPoint 4. They were identical Mac and PC as much as
possible. Mac people hated it. We had Word 5, which was better than Word
6
and we screamed bloody murder. After that, Microsoft decided no more
making
Office identical Mac & PC.
You may pass out from shock but because W6 and E5 was the first versions
of the program I had. I thought and still do that that was the best laid
out and had the best feature set. It had one flaw I hated. How it
handled doing form letters using a mailing list. I never could get the
printer setting to line up as the should . of course back the I used a
DeskJet 650 printer and could have been the driver but everything else
worked right.

WordPerfect had the absolute perfect system for that task. I'd do
envelopes of WP 3.5.x and everything else in Word.

One feature W6 had that was killed in Office 2001 and up was when you
clicked on the little symbol that looked to be like some type of musical
note, to see the invisible characters.

you could see something like little black squares at the beginning of
each paragraph you could double click on that square, scroll to desired
paragraph and click once on it black box, bang that whole paragraph was
changed to the style that was used in the one you double clicked on. I
used that feature all the time. In Office2001 and 2004 its gone infact
you kno longer see the little squares.

I'm a big fan of empowerment, too. I think the model of central computing
that exists in open source and big business is a doomed model imposed by
control freaks and bullies. It takes the most important aspects of a
computer's power away from the user and gives it to a central authority,
whom users must trust and obey and are powerless against. Scripting
languages unleash users and frees them from the power mongers who make
decisions based on their own interests, not the users. The "dumb
terminal"
requires a "dumb user." It's the opposite of what I think the Mac is
about.

-Jim
If you think its as serious, as you think then then you as super users
ought to get together and change their mind. But I've never knowing ly
used any.

While I admit I am small fry, I have writing various documents for the
Electronics Association I belong to, and the need on either end (PC or
Mac) has never came up) and I've been a part of this group for some 30+
years.

Quoting from "Phillip Jones" <[email protected]>, in article
#[email protected], on [DATE:

well If you do want me to bring it up.

It is a MS Conspiracy to, make mac people unhappy so they will throw up
their hands and throwaway their Mac's because it doesn't work exactly
alike on the Mac and on the PC.

The problem is on this particular subject it ho-hum. Because probably
about 95% of normal users on a Mac Don't even knowingly use Applescript,
much less know about macros and VBA. So this is wasted and dangerous use
resources. VBA and Macro's. Both are super easy to write nasty code for
that can reek havoc on any OS. ON OS9, on Mac if you purchased the OS
you received a thick book thicker than on the OS for Apple script. I
would put away in a deep dark corner somewhere and eventual they got
thrown out. Now today Its part of the system and apple assumes everyone
in the days of OS7.5.2 learned how to use it so they don't even bring it
up when touting new features of the new OS. IF it was up to me I'd ban
all such do it your self scripting languages, such as applescript, VBA,
Macro generators, etc; because the eventually cause problems either by
accident, but usually on purpose.

Anyways I though I'd send something out so you wouldn't think I am
unwell.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip M. Jones, CET |LIFE MEMBER: VPEA ETA-I, NESDA, ISCET, Sterling
616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868
Martinsville Va 24112 |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
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Martinsville Va 24112 |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
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<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/90th_Birthday/index.htm>
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<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/Harris/default.htm>
<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/Jones/default.htm>

<http://www.vpea.org>

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[Elliott Roper]

Elliott, of course, has to copy the whole paragraph mark because he has
hidden the Format Painter

I was going to write a short rebuttal like "shift-right cmd-opt-z
shift-left cmd-v", but I discovered that sets the style of the
following paragraph to the style I just over-rode.

So all it did was remind me why I used named styles for everything and
never do manual formatting.