outlook 2007 no newsgroups

[Beck]

I am really surprised Outlook 2007 does not have newsgroup functionality.

Seems to be a mess where MS are concerned with their mail apps.

Windows Mail - Mail and Newsgroups

Outlook 2007 - Mail and RSS

Windows Live Mail Desktop - Mail, RSS and Newsgroups

The worst application of the 3 actually supports all formats. I would
really expect Outlook 2007, being quite on the pricey side to have
everything.
Major disappointment. I was considering actually ordering Outlook 2007 by
itself, but I am really not sure now. Is it likely that the full release
will have newsgroup functionality?

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Outlook never has and hopefully never will have news groups.

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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After furious head scratching, Beck asked:

| I am really surprised Outlook 2007 does not have newsgroup
| functionality.
|
| Seems to be a mess where MS are concerned with their mail apps.
|
| Windows Mail - Mail and Newsgroups
|
| Outlook 2007 - Mail and RSS
|
| Windows Live Mail Desktop - Mail, RSS and Newsgroups
|
| The worst application of the 3 actually supports all formats. I would
| really expect Outlook 2007, being quite on the pricey side to have
| everything.
| Major disappointment. I was considering actually ordering Outlook
| 2007 by itself, but I am really not sure now. Is it likely that the
| full release will have newsgroup functionality?

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

For people like me, using Outlook and Windows Mail works better that having
a one 'program does all'.. using OE6 or Windows Mail for both was a PITA, as
switching from one function to the other meant losing one's place..

I am with Milly on this one..

 

[Beck]

Outlook never has and hopefully never will have news groups.

I know it never has, I was expecting them to be up to date with their
features

 

[Beck]

For people like me, using Outlook and Windows Mail works better that
having a one 'program does all'.. using OE6 or Windows Mail for both was a
PITA, as switching from one function to the other meant losing one's
place..

I am with Milly on this one..

And people like me prefer an all in one solution
People do not have to use the function and can use seperates but for those
that one all in one it would have been perfect.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

They are up to date - Windows Mail does a very nice job with newsgroups.

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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After furious head scratching, Beck asked:

| |
|| Outlook never has and hopefully never will have news groups.
|
| I know it never has, I was expecting them to be up to date with their
| features

 

[Beck]

They are up to date - Windows Mail does a very nice job with newsgroups.

Well they aren't if Outlook does not do newsgroups still. Windows Mail does
do a good job I would just like an all in one solution. WLMD is not very
good in my opinion and seeing as Outlook is so expensive, I would have
expected it to have all functions. If people do not want to use that
function like yourself, then that is fine, but the option should be there
for those that want it as an all in one program which offers all
functionality with regards to email and news. They thought about the RSS so
no reason why they cannot implement the nntp.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Yes, there are good reasons why they will not implement NNTP in Outlook - they have been enumerated each time a new release of Outlook hits the streets and folks start whining about no newsgroups in Outlook.

Look through the archives of this and the Outlook groups if you want a complete list of why it is not going to happen. I am tired of repeating the same information over and over again.

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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After furious head scratching, Beck asked:

| || They are up to date - Windows Mail does a very nice job with
|| newsgroups.
|
| Well they aren't if Outlook does not do newsgroups still. Windows
| Mail does do a good job I would just like an all in one solution.
| WLMD is not very good in my opinion and seeing as Outlook is so
| expensive, I would have expected it to have all functions. If people
| do not want to use that function like yourself, then that is fine,
| but the option should be there for those that want it as an all in
| one program which offers all functionality with regards to email and
| news. They thought about the RSS so no reason why they cannot
| implement the nntp.

 

[Beck]

Yes, there are good reasons why they will not implement NNTP in Outlook -
they have been enumerated each time >a new release of Outlook hits the
streets and folks start whining about no newsgroups in Outlook.

Look through the archives of this and the Outlook groups if you want a
complete list of why it is not going to >happen. I am tired of repeating
the same information over and over again.

If you are tired, why are you replying?
I am just having a discussion, if you are not interested in that discussion
then fine. Thankyou for your input.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Because I can't pass by a dead horse being beaten without commenting on the futility of the beating, or the masochism of the beater.

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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After furious head scratching, Beck asked:

| || Yes, there are good reasons why they will not implement NNTP in
|| Outlook - they have been enumerated each time >a new release of
|| Outlook hits the streets and folks start whining about no newsgroups
|| in Outlook.
|
|| Look through the archives of this and the Outlook groups if you want
|| a complete list of why it is not going to >happen. I am tired of
|| repeating the same information over and over again.
|
| If you are tired, why are you replying?
| I am just having a discussion, if you are not interested in that
| discussion then fine. Thankyou for your input.

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

I doubt that you would in reality.. the requirements for viewing, processing
and managing e-mail and newsgroups are very different.. Using Outlook for
mail and the way more basic Windows mail for newsgroups is a very good
solution..

 

[Beck]

I doubt that you would in reality.. the requirements for viewing,
processing and managing e-mail and newsgroups are very different.. Using
Outlook for mail and the way more basic Windows mail for newsgroups is a
very good solution..

Yes they are very different but we know it would work because the MapiLabs
plugin has proved this. So if the plugin can do it, I see no technical
reason why Outlook cannot do it natively.

 

[Peter Foldes]

Hi Beck

As Milly has said you are beating a dead horse. Mike Hall also has been explaining it to you.
Well if you really want to have newsgroups in Outlook then try the below by all means. No Guaranties here. But try to read between the lines that Milly and Mike has posted to you on your issue.


http://www.shorelinesoftware.com/screenshots.htm

 

[Beck]

Hi Beck

As Milly has said you are beating a dead horse. Mike Hall also has been
explaining it to you.
Well if you really want to have newsgroups in Outlook then try the below by
all means. No Guaranties here. But try >to read between the lines that
Milly and Mike has posted to you on your issue.

Hi Mike, with respect, nobody has actually given a reason as to why it will
never happen other than they do not want such a feature. We know it is
possible as I said in my other post and you showed with your link, so I have
yet to see a reason why MS cannot implement it.
If there is an official line from MS on this matter I would be very
interested in reading it

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Beck,

It's not a matter so much of "can't do it" (almost any of the Office apps *could* be equipped to do what other apps do), but more on
the line of not in the game plan for Outlook as something to put resources on.

The NNTP news interface belongs to the Windows and Internet Explorer teams (as does Outlook Express and its news capabilities).
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257824/en-us?FR=1

Corporate admins generally don't allow access to NNTP servers, as the attachments to messages posted can (and have) been known to
contain viruses and other malware, and in earlier versions of Windows, which were common when Outlook first came out, it wasn't as
easy implement and segment out outside access from an app vs. Windows as it is today.

It's not that folks who were testing the product didn't try <g>.
The request to have that feature in the product has been made and denied for several versions. MS offered the ability to launch
Outlook Express as a newsreader from within Outlook, along the same lines as using one of the 3rd party apps. Access to newsgroups
with an NNTP client has to some degree been made available through browser based interfaces, such as those on
http://communities.microsoft.com so that folks only need one tool.

MS Office Outlook is a collaboration and email client with ties to the MS Exchange Server Product. The NNTP support has, if I
recall correctly also been removed from the latest Exchange version
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/79df6a3a-29a8-4935-b143-8a66c8d082d4.aspx

As suggested previously, you may want to use the link below to post to the MS Office Outlook discussion group, where more folks with
experience with this may be able to offer additional insights.
==============
Hi Mike, with respect, nobody has actually given a reason as to why it will
never happen other than they do not want such a feature. We know it is
possible as I said in my other post and you showed with your link, so I have
yet to see a reason why MS cannot implement it.
If there is an official line from MS on this matter I would be very
interested in reading it >>
--
Please let us know if this has helped,

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

LINKS
A. Specific newsgroup/discussion group mentioned in this message:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlook
or via browser:
http://microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/?dg=microsoft.public.outlook

B. MS Office Community discussion/newsgroups via Web Browser
http://microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx
or
Microsoft hosted newsgroups via Outlook Express/newsreader
news://msnews.microsoft.com

 

[Bob I]

Hi Beck



Hi Mike, with respect, nobody has actually given a reason as to why it
will never happen other than they do not want such a feature. We know
it is possible as I said in my other post and you showed with your link,
so I have yet to see a reason why MS cannot implement it.
If there is an official line from MS on this matter I would be very
interested in reading it

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/outlookvsoe.mspx

 

[Beck]

Hi Beck,

It's not a matter so much of "can't do it" (almost any of the Office apps
*could* be equipped to do what other apps do), but more on
the line of not in the game plan for Outlook as something to put resources
on.

The NNTP news interface belongs to the Windows and Internet Explorer teams
(as does Outlook Express and its news capabilities).
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257824/en-us?FR=1

Corporate admins generally don't allow access to NNTP servers, as the
attachments to messages posted can (and have) been known to
contain viruses and other malware, and in earlier versions of Windows,
which were common when Outlook first came out, it wasn't as
easy implement and segment out outside access from an app vs. Windows as
it is today.

It's not that folks who were testing the product didn't try <g>.
The request to have that feature in the product has been made and denied
for several versions. MS offered the ability to launch
Outlook Express as a newsreader from within Outlook, along the same lines
as using one of the 3rd party apps. Access to newsgroups
with an NNTP client has to some degree been made available through browser
based interfaces, such as those on
http://communities.microsoft.com so that folks only need one tool.

MS Office Outlook is a collaboration and email client with ties to the MS
Exchange Server Product. The NNTP support has, if I
recall correctly also been removed from the latest Exchange version
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/79df6a3a-29a8-4935-b143-8a66c8d082d4.aspx

As suggested previously, you may want to use the link below to post to the
MS Office Outlook discussion group, where more folks with
experience with this may be able to offer additional insights.
==============
Hi Mike, with respect, nobody has actually given a reason as to why it
will
never happen other than they do not want such a feature. We know it is
possible as I said in my other post and you showed with your link, so I
have
yet to see a reason why MS cannot implement it.
If there is an official line from MS on this matter I would be very
interested in reading it >>

Some interesting links there thankyou Bob.
I can appreciate the Outlook is more geared to the business model and most
businesses do not use NNTP. I would imagine also many businesses block NNTP
ports anyway to stop their employees slacking.

I wanted to buy Outlook because of its collaboration with Active Sync for
PDAs on Vista. Now as far as I am concerned, my only gripe with Windows
Mail is that currently I cannot seem to get it to sync with PDA and also its
lack of RSS.
MS have implemented RSS in both Outlook and Windows Live Mail Desktop (which
I think is a very poor program). I think it is an oversight to have omitted
RSS out of Windows Mail. If Windows Mail could support RSS then like Outlook
having newsgroups it would be a perfect solution for me. I guess MS
thinking on this matter is to move people to the WLMD to benefit from the
advertising revenue.

I have been using the beta Office 2007 and I really like Outlook but sadly
the minimalist in me says no because I want an all in one solution (WMLD
does not count). Maybe one day in the future someone will create a plugin
for Windows Mail to enable activ sync and RSS.

 

[Peter Foldes]

I am not Mike, so why are you answering me

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

So Mapilabs do a newsgroup plug-in.. that in itself does not make the
inclusion of a newsgroup reader into Outlook a good idea..

 

[Beck]

I am not Mike, so why are you answering me

Because you replied to me