Preparations for IE 7

[xfile]

Your client's site is more like our numbers for IE 7, and even that approx.
1% might come from me if cross examined with unique IP address accessed to
our site during the same period.

Your web site is pretty much what I meant also - will be visited by more
tech-savvy visitors who are more likely to install and test new
applications.

Although I am preparing for IE 7 (and might share an article about it re web
development but not in this machine), I am still holding my assumption that
most regular user won't have it very soon because Windows Update simply is
an alien for them and they never heard of it or not allowed to use it.

BTW, do you believe that we have a few hits from Netscape? I don't recall
FF or Opera but it could be too small to be remembered, if any at all.

Speaking of Vista, we have zero, nope, none, but Win 2000

And yes, I only take stats for general trends reference but only those
matter to us really counts.

 

[Mike Mueller]

1.) yes
2.) no. as posted earlier the target attribute is
deprecated, and has not been extended. Many users have the
tab-controls set to open 'new window' requests in a new tab
instead.

: Hi,
:
: With the final release of IE 7 is approaching, I am
wondering if it has any
: impacts to our current and future site design, with
particular focus on: Tab
: browsing.
:
: Appreciate if you could help us on the following
questions:
:
: (1) Session: Do tabs within the same page are treated as
the same session -
: That means to carry session variables from one tab to
another?
:
: (2) Open a new link: Is there a way to modify "Target
Frame" property for
: opening a link with a new tab, instead of a new page?
:
: Thanks in advance.
:
:
:
:

 

[LKHefferman]

Thanks, Cheryl. That's what I thought.

 

[xfile]

Ok,

This is the article I mentioned and just for reference:

What Web developers need to know about working with IE7:
http://builder.com.com/5100-6371_14-6113615.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=bldr

 

[Kulvinder Singh Matharu]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:33:02 -0700, LKHefferman

[snip]

How do you suggest I instruct beginners to create a link that opens a new
browser window? I'm assuming that most beginners/Dummies book readers will
not have the savvy to write a JavaScript code into their pages nor will they
change the DocType from the default. Should I use the behavior option and
have them monkey with the link in code view? Just use the Target Frame
option? Refer them to a JavaScript book?

If it helps, I've been using the technique listed here:
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world

However, I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I'm now
leaning towards removing all techniques for opening in a new window
as that tends to disrupt browser workflow. I'm not entirely convinced
but I think I know what I'm going to do!

 

[xfile]

Ok,

This is interesting, and I don't know if anyone noticed this.

If I clicked a link (with or without target attributes) in an email, IE 7
(RC1) will open it with a new tab if it is already opened.

However, if I clicked a link from the newsgroup in OE, IE 7 (RC1) will open
it with a new page (under the same condition when it is already opened).

After I noticed this behavior, I did a little test by sending myself several
mails (without giving target attribute and with _self, _parent, _blank ) and
also checked the source codes of other mails, the results are all the same -
all of these links will be opened with a new tab if IE is already opened.
But if clicked the links in the newsgroup, it will open a new page even a
page is already opened.

Apparently, there is something there that tells IE to open with a new tab or
with a new page but I don't know what it is. And my little test tells me
that it may not be the "target" but something else.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:33:02 -0700, LKHefferman

[snip]

How do you suggest I instruct beginners to create a link that opens a new
browser window? I'm assuming that most beginners/Dummies book readers will
not have the savvy to write a JavaScript code into their pages nor will
they
change the DocType from the default. Should I use the behavior option and
have them monkey with the link in code view? Just use the Target Frame
option? Refer them to a JavaScript book?

If it helps, I've been using the technique listed here:
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world

However, I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I'm now
leaning towards removing all techniques for opening in a new window
as that tends to disrupt browser workflow. I'm not entirely convinced
but I think I know what I'm going to do!

--
Kulvinder Singh Matharu

Website : www.metalvortex.com
Contact : www.metalvortex.com/contact/

 

[Windsun]

That is very interesting..

All we have to do now is figure out why it does that. <00>

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Ok,

This is interesting, and I don't know if anyone noticed this.

If I clicked a link (with or without target attributes) in an email, IE 7
(RC1) will open it with a new tab if it is already opened.

However, if I clicked a link from the newsgroup in OE, IE 7 (RC1) will
open it with a new page (under the same condition when it is already
opened).

After I noticed this behavior, I did a little test by sending myself
several mails (without giving target attribute and with _self, _parent,
_blank ) and also checked the source codes of other mails, the results are
all the same - all of these links will be opened with a new tab if IE is
already opened. But if clicked the links in the newsgroup, it will open a
new page even a page is already opened.

Apparently, there is something there that tells IE to open with a new tab
or with a new page but I don't know what it is. And my little test tells
me that it may not be the "target" but something else.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:33:02 -0700, LKHefferman

[snip]

How do you suggest I instruct beginners to create a link that opens a new
browser window? I'm assuming that most beginners/Dummies book readers
will
not have the savvy to write a JavaScript code into their pages nor will
they
change the DocType from the default. Should I use the behavior option and
have them monkey with the link in code view? Just use the Target Frame
option? Refer them to a JavaScript book?

If it helps, I've been using the technique listed here:
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world

However, I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I'm now
leaning towards removing all techniques for opening in a new window
as that tends to disrupt browser workflow. I'm not entirely convinced
but I think I know what I'm going to do!

--
Kulvinder Singh Matharu

Website : www.metalvortex.com
Contact : www.metalvortex.com/contact/

 

[xfile]

Yes,

And I am still not giving up the hope for finding a way to specify opening a
link with a new tab (without using JavaScript if possible) for user's
convenience although intermediate and above users know how to do it (but
then saving them unnecessary actions in not a bad thing).

That is very interesting..

All we have to do now is figure out why it does that. <00>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok,

This is interesting, and I don't know if anyone noticed this.

If I clicked a link (with or without target attributes) in an email, IE 7
(RC1) will open it with a new tab if it is already opened.

However, if I clicked a link from the newsgroup in OE, IE 7 (RC1) will
open it with a new page (under the same condition when it is already
opened).

After I noticed this behavior, I did a little test by sending myself
several mails (without giving target attribute and with _self, _parent,
_blank ) and also checked the source codes of other mails, the results
are all the same - all of these links will be opened with a new tab if IE
is already opened. But if clicked the links in the newsgroup, it will
open a new page even a page is already opened.

Apparently, there is something there that tells IE to open with a new tab
or with a new page but I don't know what it is. And my little test tells
me that it may not be the "target" but something else.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:33:02 -0700, LKHefferman

[snip]
How do you suggest I instruct beginners to create a link that opens a
new
browser window? I'm assuming that most beginners/Dummies book readers
will
not have the savvy to write a JavaScript code into their pages nor will
they
change the DocType from the default. Should I use the behavior option
and
have them monkey with the link in code view? Just use the Target Frame
option? Refer them to a JavaScript book?

If it helps, I've been using the technique listed here:
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world

However, I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I'm now
leaning towards removing all techniques for opening in a new window
as that tends to disrupt browser workflow. I'm not entirely convinced
but I think I know what I'm going to do!

--
Kulvinder Singh Matharu

Website : www.metalvortex.com
Contact : www.metalvortex.com/contact/

 

[Windsun]

I get rather annoyed that it opens a new window instead of tab, so trying a
google search etc, but not much luck so far. There must be "something"
telling IE7 to open a new tab instead of window.

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Yes,

And I am still not giving up the hope for finding a way to specify opening
a link with a new tab (without using JavaScript if possible) for user's
convenience although intermediate and above users know how to do it (but
then saving them unnecessary actions in not a bad thing).

That is very interesting..

All we have to do now is figure out why it does that. <00>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok,

This is interesting, and I don't know if anyone noticed this.

If I clicked a link (with or without target attributes) in an email, IE
7 (RC1) will open it with a new tab if it is already opened.

However, if I clicked a link from the newsgroup in OE, IE 7 (RC1) will
open it with a new page (under the same condition when it is already
opened).

After I noticed this behavior, I did a little test by sending myself
several mails (without giving target attribute and with _self, _parent,
_blank ) and also checked the source codes of other mails, the results
are all the same - all of these links will be opened with a new tab if
IE is already opened. But if clicked the links in the newsgroup, it will
open a new page even a page is already opened.

Apparently, there is something there that tells IE to open with a new
tab or with a new page but I don't know what it is. And my little test
tells me that it may not be the "target" but something else.





message On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:33:02 -0700, LKHefferman

[snip]
How do you suggest I instruct beginners to create a link that opens a
new
browser window? I'm assuming that most beginners/Dummies book readers
will
not have the savvy to write a JavaScript code into their pages nor will
they
change the DocType from the default. Should I use the behavior option
and
have them monkey with the link in code view? Just use the Target Frame
option? Refer them to a JavaScript book?

If it helps, I've been using the technique listed here:
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world

However, I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I'm now
leaning towards removing all techniques for opening in a new window
as that tends to disrupt browser workflow. I'm not entirely convinced
but I think I know what I'm going to do!

--
Kulvinder Singh Matharu

Website : www.metalvortex.com
Contact : www.metalvortex.com/contact/

 

[xfile]

Yes, something is out there and we just don't know

I agree with you and I guess that is one of the major reasons for why tab is
being invented and adopted by IE 7, and if that's the case, we should be
able to utilize this feature.

I have no doubt that someone will figure it out sooner or later and just
hope I could know as well

Let's wait and see

I get rather annoyed that it opens a new window instead of tab, so trying a
google search etc, but not much luck so far. There must be "something"
telling IE7 to open a new tab instead of window.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes,

And I am still not giving up the hope for finding a way to specify
opening a link with a new tab (without using JavaScript if possible) for
user's convenience although intermediate and above users know how to do
it (but then saving them unnecessary actions in not a bad thing).

That is very interesting..

All we have to do now is figure out why it does that. <00>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok,

This is interesting, and I don't know if anyone noticed this.

If I clicked a link (with or without target attributes) in an email, IE
7 (RC1) will open it with a new tab if it is already opened.

However, if I clicked a link from the newsgroup in OE, IE 7 (RC1) will
open it with a new page (under the same condition when it is already
opened).

After I noticed this behavior, I did a little test by sending myself
several mails (without giving target attribute and with _self, _parent,
_blank ) and also checked the source codes of other mails, the results
are all the same - all of these links will be opened with a new tab if
IE is already opened. But if clicked the links in the newsgroup, it
will open a new page even a page is already opened.

Apparently, there is something there that tells IE to open with a new
tab or with a new page but I don't know what it is. And my little test
tells me that it may not be the "target" but something else.





message On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:33:02 -0700, LKHefferman

[snip]
How do you suggest I instruct beginners to create a link that opens a
new
browser window? I'm assuming that most beginners/Dummies book readers
will
not have the savvy to write a JavaScript code into their pages nor
will they
change the DocType from the default. Should I use the behavior option
and
have them monkey with the link in code view? Just use the Target Frame
option? Refer them to a JavaScript book?

If it helps, I've been using the technique listed here:
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world

However, I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I'm now
leaning towards removing all techniques for opening in a new window
as that tends to disrupt browser workflow. I'm not entirely convinced
but I think I know what I'm going to do!

--
Kulvinder Singh Matharu

Website : www.metalvortex.com
Contact : www.metalvortex.com/contact/

 

[Cheryl D Wise]

I have also noticed if I click a link in IM it opens in a new window not a
new tab in a currently open IE 7 session. Very annoying.

 

[xfile]

I have also noticed if I click a link in IM it opens in a new window not a
new tab in a currently open IE 7 session. Very annoying.

--
Cheryl D Wise
FrontPage MVP
http://by-expression.com
Online Instructor led training at http://starttoweb.com

 

[leighjam]

Unfortunately IMHO this will probably never be possible. Tabbed browsing
while being about 10 years old, has been implemented in several ways specific
to the browser.

Having a way to interact with the tabs directly specific to IE7 with or
without javascript would be problematic in the way that the site would then
depart from web standards and probably break functionality and usability for
other browsers.

Ignoring browser compatiblity for a moement I would assume that Active
Scripting would be used (Either the JavaScript or VBScript flavors) and that
you MIGHT be able to do it. HOWEVER this method would only work on IE7 and
may also raise red flags with some of the security measures as it could be
confused with a XSS (Cross Site Scripting) attack.

Just My 2 cents