Removing Constraints

R

RSteg

I started a new project and whenever I add a new task that differs from the
starting date of the project, it automatically gives me the constraint "Start
No Earlier Than"

How am I able to remove this? Thanks.
 
J

Jan De Messemaeker

Hi,

To avoid it:
Tools, Options, Schedule, New Tasks Start on... Select Project Start.
The only way Project can position a task which is noit yet linked to any
other task, on today rather than at Project start is through a constraint.

To change tasks already entered
Select all tasks
Right click the selection, Task Information
Advanced tab, as constraint select As Soon As Possible.

HTH
 
R

RSteg

Yea but I dont want all my tasks to say that they are starting on the
starting date.

For example, this project is from december 1st to december 11th.

The only way i seem to be avoiding all constraints is by making each task on
the first, but this is not most likely the case. Some tasks i want to occur
on the 5th, 7th, 9th, etc...

As soon as I do this, it addes constraints. How do I fix that?
 
J

John

RSteg said:
Yea but I dont want all my tasks to say that they are starting on the
starting date.

For example, this project is from december 1st to december 11th.

The only way i seem to be avoiding all constraints is by making each task on
the first, but this is not most likely the case. Some tasks i want to occur
on the 5th, 7th, 9th, etc...

As soon as I do this, it addes constraints. How do I fix that?

RSteg,
You don't. The Start date for a task is either calculated by Project
based on a link (i.e. predecessor task) or on a specific date. That
specific date is either the project start or via a constrained date. If
a task has no valid driver (i.e. predecessor) yet it will not start when
the project starts, then it MUST have a constraint to define it's start
date.

Hope this helps.
John
Project MVP
 
G

Gérard Ducouret

Hi Rsteg,

I'm afraid that you don't use links at all.
Links such as FS, FF, SS... which manage dependencies between two tasks.
You enter the dates manually.
What about that?

Gérard
 
R

RSteg

Alright so basically to remove a contraint for a task that starts later than
the starting date, you will have to link it to another relationship aka a
predecessor?
 
J

John

RSteg said:
Alright so basically to remove a contraint for a task that starts later than
the starting date, you will have to link it to another relationship aka a
predecessor?

RSteg,
Only if the task indeed is dependent on a predecessor task. In other
words, don't create task relationships that are not realistic just to
"get rid of the constraint". If the task does not have a valid
predecessor then set the constraint - there is no other way.

We generally don't advocate having constraints on tasks because
constraints don't allow the project plan to be dynamic. However, for
some reason, you seem dead set on not having any constraints - ever. Why?

John
Project MVP
 
J

John

RSteg said:
In short answer, it is impossible to have an unlinked task without a
constraint?

RSteg,
I thought we already answered this question. The answer is still "no",
unless the task starts on the Project Start Date.

John
Project MVP
 
M

Mike Glen

HI RSteg,

I think we're running into double negatives here! A task will start at the
project start date only. To make it start any other time, you either have
to provide a logic link or create a constraint. I hope this clears it up :)

Mike Glen
Project MVP
 
J

John

Mike Glen said:
HI RSteg,

I think we're running into double negatives here! A task will start at the
project start date only. To make it start any other time, you either have
to provide a logic link or create a constraint. I hope this clears it up :)

Mike Glen
Project MVP

Mike,
I don't see the double negative in my answer to RSteg's direct question
but whatever will get through to the poster is a plus for us.

John
 
M

Mike Glen

John said:
Mike,
I don't see the double negative in my answer to RSteg's direct
question but whatever will get through to the poster is a plus for us.

John

Hi John,

What I meant was that he asked if it was "impossible" to have "unlinked"
tasks... to which the answer is "yes" :)

Mike
 
J

John

Mike Glen said:
Hi John,

What I meant was that he asked if it was "impossible" to have "unlinked"
tasks... to which the answer is "yes" :)

Mike

Mike,
Actually the answer is "no". It is not impossible. There is one
exception and I noted that in my response. In my view, "impossible" is
all-encompassing - the statement can ONLY be true if there are NO
exceptions - but there is one, so the statement is false. It's kind of
like the statement, "do all the planets in our solar system rotate on
their axis in the same direction?" If I remember correctly, the answer
is "no", one of them rotates in the opposite direction (although I don't
remember which).

But like I said, this whole thread seemed to be an exercise in trying to
explain to the poster how Project sets the Start date of tasks. I'm not
sure if we got through or not.

John
 
D

davegb

Mike said:
Hi John,

What I meant was that he asked if it was "impossible" to have "unlinked"
tasks... to which the answer is "yes" :)

Mike

Mike & John,
You're both living proof - Patience is indeed a virtue! :)
 
S

Steve House [Project MVP]

Project will always try to get everything done as soon as possible. If you
could do it, you really would start everything on the project start date and
run them in parallel because that is what would get the job finished the
quickest but the real world is rarely so tidy and cooperative. There are
essentially three things that would make the tasks start at some time other
than the project start date.

The first as you have already discovered is a constraint. An example of the
proper application of this is we're starting the BigProject right after New
Years but one of the tasks requires parts that are on backorder and won't be
delivered until Feb 1st. Using a Start No Later Than constraint of 01 Feb
insures the task won't be scheduled to start before the required parts are
delivered.

The second reason you can't do a task on the project start date is that
something else in the project has to happen first. That's where links come
into play. You can't park a roof in mid-air defying gravity and later build
the supporting walls under it. Walls link to Roof FS to insure the walls
are scheduled to be built first.

The third reason you can't do all the tasks on the project start date is the
resources who will do the work aren't available. We have two tasks A and B
and when we first put them into the plan they're both starting 1 Jan. The
only guy on staff who has the skills to do them is Fred, but he's on
vacation the first 2 weeks of January. When we assign Fred to them both
tasks will move from 02 Jan to the first date he's back at work after
vacation, driven there by his resource calendar. But we're not quite done.
He's still scheduled to do both tasks at the same time and he can't be two
places at once. So we run resource leveling and one of those two tasks will
move on out to start after the first one has ended.

I tell my students not to worry that all the tasks show up initially on the
project start date. It will make sense once you get all the pieces to the
puzzle in place but not before then. If you already have some dates in mind
for tasks and Project is telling you something different, it most likely
means your initial ideas are unworkable

Regarding the fact that a constraint is always set when you enter start and
finish dates on tasks... Project's job IS NOT to document a schedule you
have already worked out. It works the opposite way. You don't tell it the
dates for tasks - it tells YOU. You tell it what has to be done and what
assets you have to do it with and it tells you when you're supposed to
schedule the tasks in order to get the project done as soon as possible.
IMHO the only reason you're allowed to input dates in the Start and Finish
columns at all is that it is a useful convenience to be able enter
constraints as you're working in the task list for those rare tasks that
need 'em. .

--
Steve House [MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs
 

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