applets and frames

M

Murray

That's the ticket. Sun (who originated Java) sued Microsoft (who was freely
distributing a MICROSOFT version of the Java engine), and the result was
that Sun shot itself in both feet.
 
K

Kurt Knoll

In a way you are right. But the average computer or internet use does not
know this. It took me a while hoe to figure it out. Just consider there the
average internet user who does not know how to go about it will not visit
this web page will not try it again.
I have been working with the public almost 40 years or more and I know hat
I am talking about. You have out there various business out there that were
using applets and I7E will not show their product.

Kurt Knoll.
 
K

Kurt Knoll

I did already download the program but I think the average internet user
does not know about this and will not search any further.

Kurt Knoll.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

That is why it is best to no longer use Java applets, unless you are going to provide a link to the
Sun web site.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================
 
T

Tom Willett

IE7 would not show it, nor would IE6 or Firefox or Netscape if Java isn't
installed.

Java is/was not part of the browser, it was part of the Windows Operating
System.

Some distributors, such as Dell, have been shipping their computers with Sun
Java installed.

--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| In a way you are right. But the average computer or internet use does not
| know this. It took me a while hoe to figure it out. Just consider there
the
| average internet user who does not know how to go about it will not visit
| this web page will not try it again.
| I have been working with the public almost 40 years or more and I know hat
| I am talking about. You have out there various business out there that
were
| using applets and I7E will not show their product.
|
| Kurt Knoll.
|
| | > Java support has not been omitted in IE7.
| > It will support Java that you install.
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > FrontPage Support:
| > http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| > ===
| > | > |I have a hunch there was a copyright infringement somewhere. Could this
| > be
| > | the reason why Microsoft omitted java ege applet support in IE7
| > |
| > | Kurt Knoll.
| > |
| > | | > | > My personal opinion is that Java only has a use on the web when it
| > | > provides a necessary functionality, not when it only provides a
| > cosmetic
| > | > effect. And, it DEFINITELY should not be used for navigation
| > elements....
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Murray
| > | > --------------
| > | > MVP FrontPage
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> You are absolutely right. I did download the java viritual machine
| > and
| > it
| > | >> works. Therefore my question now would be" if I did have a
commercial
| > web
| > | >> site, How many people who will see pictures where applets are being
| > | >> used".
| > | >>
| > | >> Kurt Knoll
| > | >> Photographs of the Canadian Pacific Northwest.
| > | >> at www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>>I only see an ugly gray box - the same as most people on the web
will
| > see
| > | >>>(since the number of web surfers who have actually downloaded and
| > | >>>installed the Java engine is quite small).
| > | >>>
| > | >>> Must you use this Java thing?
| > | >>>
| > | >>> --
| > | >>> Murray
| > | >>> --------------
| > | >>> MVP FrontPage
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>> | > | >>>> Works fine for me. You must have a setting on your PC that's not
| > | >>>> allowing you to see it or you don't have a JVM (Java Virtual
| > Machine)
| > | >>>> installed. Try looking at it from another PC
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>> | > | >>>>> Thanks here is the complete link this page is using an applet.
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>> http://www.kurtknoll.com/kitmtelseold.html
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>> Kurt Knoll
| > | >>>>> | > | >>>>>> Post a link to your page, please.
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>> --
| > | >>>>>> Murray
| > | >>>>>> --------------
| > | >>>>>> MVP FrontPage
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> Internet explorer IE7 will not work with applets and or Frames
| > on
| > | >>>>>>> pages created with FrontPage 2003
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
D

David Berry

That's why people discourage the use of Java Applets on pages. Many new PCs
may come with a JVM installed but you can't be sure. You could add some
text that tells the user if they can't see this to go to http://java.sun.com
and download a Java Virtual Machine (kind of like people to when you need to
download acrobat reader to see files) but that's about all you can do.
 
D

David Berry

Yep. Although Java Applets were flaky things even when MS was offering
their JVM. Remember the dreaded hover buttons?
 
K

Kurt Knoll

There you guys in a way I have to agree with you. Fact number one is people
who did switch over to I.E. will not tell you if they can not see but it
would be nice if they let us know.

Kurt Knoll.
 
D

David Berry

Java isn't an IE / browser issue. It's part of the Operating System so if
they don't have a JVM then it won't be seen in any browser.
 
T

Tom Willett

It did work in previous browsers *if* it was installed on the O/S! Just
like it will work in current browsers if it's installed on the O/S.

--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| It did work on the previous browsers before ??
|
| KK
|
| | > Java isn't an IE / browser issue. It's part of the Operating System so
if
| > they don't have a JVM then it won't be seen in any browser.
| >
| >
| > | >> There you guys in a way I have to agree with you. Fact number one is
| >> people who did switch over to I.E. will not tell you if they can not
see
| >> but it would be nice if they let us know.
| >>
| >> Kurt Knoll.
| >>
| >> | >>> That's why people discourage the use of Java Applets on pages. Many
new
| >>> PCs may come with a JVM installed but you can't be sure. You could
add
| >>> some text that tells the user if they can't see this to go to
| >>> http://java.sun.com and download a Java Virtual Machine (kind of like
| >>> people to when you need to download acrobat reader to see files) but
| >>> that's about all you can do.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> | >>>>I did already download the program but I think the average internet
user
| >>>>does not know about this and will not search any further.
| >>>>
| >>>> Kurt Knoll.
| >>>>
| >>>> | >>>>> IE7 supports Java but Microsoft doesn't provide it since the lawsuit
| >>>>> with SUN. You have to download a Java Virtual Machine for it to
work.
| >>>>> http://java.sun.com
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> | >>>>>>I have a hunch there was a copyright infringement somewhere. Could
| >>>>>>this be the reason why Microsoft omitted java ege applet support in
| >>>>>>IE7
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> | >>>>>>> My personal opinion is that Java only has a use on the web when it
| >>>>>>> provides a necessary functionality, not when it only provides a
| >>>>>>> cosmetic effect. And, it DEFINITELY should not be used for
| >>>>>>> navigation elements....
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> --
| >>>>>>> Murray
| >>>>>>> --------------
| >>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> | >>>>>>>> You are absolutely right. I did download the java viritual
machine
| >>>>>>>> and it works. Therefore my question now would be" if I did have a
| >>>>>>>> commercial web site, How many people who will see pictures where
| >>>>>>>> applets are being used".
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
| >>>>>>>> Photographs of the Canadian Pacific Northwest.
| >>>>>>>> at www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>I only see an ugly gray box - the same as most people on the web
| >>>>>>>>>will see (since the number of web surfers who have actually
| >>>>>>>>>downloaded and installed the Java engine is quite small).
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>> Must you use this Java thing?
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>> --
| >>>>>>>>> Murray
| >>>>>>>>> --------------
| >>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>> Works fine for me. You must have a setting on your PC that's
not
| >>>>>>>>>> allowing you to see it or you don't have a JVM (Java Virtual
| >>>>>>>>>> Machine) installed. Try looking at it from another PC
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks here is the complete link this page is using an applet.
| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kurtknoll.com/kitmtelseold.html
| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
| >>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>>> Post a link to your page, please.
| >>>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>> --
| >>>>>>>>>>>> Murray
| >>>>>>>>>>>> --------------
| >>>>>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
| >>>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet explorer IE7 will not work with applets and or
Frames
| >>>>>>>>>>>>> on pages created with FrontPage 2003
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Yah and it's 153meg dl...so who's gonna download it anyway?


| That's why people discourage the use of Java Applets on pages. Many new
PCs
| may come with a JVM installed but you can't be sure. You could add some
| text that tells the user if they can't see this to go to
http://java.sun.com
| and download a Java Virtual Machine (kind of like people to when you need
to
| download acrobat reader to see files) but that's about all you can do.
|
|
| | >I did already download the program but I think the average internet user
| >does not know about this and will not search any further.
| >
| > Kurt Knoll.
| >
| > | >> IE7 supports Java but Microsoft doesn't provide it since the lawsuit
with
| >> SUN. You have to download a Java Virtual Machine for it to work.
| >> http://java.sun.com
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>>I have a hunch there was a copyright infringement somewhere. Could this
| >>>be the reason why Microsoft omitted java ege applet support in IE7
| >>>
| >>> Kurt Knoll.
| >>>
| >>> | >>>> My personal opinion is that Java only has a use on the web when it
| >>>> provides a necessary functionality, not when it only provides a
| >>>> cosmetic effect. And, it DEFINITELY should not be used for navigation
| >>>> elements....
| >>>>
| >>>> --
| >>>> Murray
| >>>> --------------
| >>>> MVP FrontPage
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> | >>>>> You are absolutely right. I did download the java viritual machine
and
| >>>>> it works. Therefore my question now would be" if I did have a
| >>>>> commercial web site, How many people who will see pictures where
| >>>>> applets are being used".
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Kurt Knoll
| >>>>> Photographs of the Canadian Pacific Northwest.
| >>>>> at www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
| >>>>>
| >>>>> | >>>>>>I only see an ugly gray box - the same as most people on the web
will
| >>>>>>see (since the number of web surfers who have actually downloaded
and
| >>>>>>installed the Java engine is quite small).
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Must you use this Java thing?
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> --
| >>>>>> Murray
| >>>>>> --------------
| >>>>>> MVP FrontPage
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> | >>>>>>> Works fine for me. You must have a setting on your PC that's not
| >>>>>>> allowing you to see it or you don't have a JVM (Java Virtual
| >>>>>>> Machine) installed. Try looking at it from another PC
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> | >>>>>>>> Thanks here is the complete link this page is using an applet.
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> http://www.kurtknoll.com/kitmtelseold.html
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
| >>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>> Post a link to your page, please.
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>> --
| >>>>>>>>> Murray
| >>>>>>>>> --------------
| >>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>> Internet explorer IE7 will not work with applets and or Frames
on
| >>>>>>>>>> pages created with FrontPage 2003
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
 
T

Tom Willett

My Sun JRE (6.0) was only 12.5 MB.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| Yah and it's 153meg dl...so who's gonna download it anyway?
|
|
| || That's why people discourage the use of Java Applets on pages. Many new
| PCs
|| may come with a JVM installed but you can't be sure. You could add some
|| text that tells the user if they can't see this to go to
| http://java.sun.com
|| and download a Java Virtual Machine (kind of like people to when you need
| to
|| download acrobat reader to see files) but that's about all you can do.
||
||
|| || >I did already download the program but I think the average internet user
|| >does not know about this and will not search any further.
|| >
|| > Kurt Knoll.
|| >
|| > || >> IE7 supports Java but Microsoft doesn't provide it since the lawsuit
| with
|| >> SUN. You have to download a Java Virtual Machine for it to work.
|| >> http://java.sun.com
|| >>
|| >>
|| >> || >>>I have a hunch there was a copyright infringement somewhere. Could
this
|| >>>be the reason why Microsoft omitted java ege applet support in IE7
|| >>>
|| >>> Kurt Knoll.
|| >>>
|| >>> || >>>> My personal opinion is that Java only has a use on the web when it
|| >>>> provides a necessary functionality, not when it only provides a
|| >>>> cosmetic effect. And, it DEFINITELY should not be used for
navigation
|| >>>> elements....
|| >>>>
|| >>>> --
|| >>>> Murray
|| >>>> --------------
|| >>>> MVP FrontPage
|| >>>>
|| >>>>
|| >>>> || >>>>> You are absolutely right. I did download the java viritual machine
| and
|| >>>>> it works. Therefore my question now would be" if I did have a
|| >>>>> commercial web site, How many people who will see pictures where
|| >>>>> applets are being used".
|| >>>>>
|| >>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| >>>>> Photographs of the Canadian Pacific Northwest.
|| >>>>> at www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
|| >>>>>
|| >>>>> || >>>>>>I only see an ugly gray box - the same as most people on the web
| will
|| >>>>>>see (since the number of web surfers who have actually downloaded
| and
|| >>>>>>installed the Java engine is quite small).
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>> Must you use this Java thing?
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>> --
|| >>>>>> Murray
|| >>>>>> --------------
|| >>>>>> MVP FrontPage
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>> || >>>>>>> Works fine for me. You must have a setting on your PC that's not
|| >>>>>>> allowing you to see it or you don't have a JVM (Java Virtual
|| >>>>>>> Machine) installed. Try looking at it from another PC
|| >>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>> || >>>>>>>> Thanks here is the complete link this page is using an applet.
|| >>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>> http://www.kurtknoll.com/kitmtelseold.html
|| >>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| >>>>>>>> || >>>>>>>>> Post a link to your page, please.
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>> --
|| >>>>>>>>> Murray
|| >>>>>>>>> --------------
|| >>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>> || >>>>>>>>>> Internet explorer IE7 will not work with applets and or Frames
| on
|| >>>>>>>>>> pages created with FrontPage 2003
|| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>
|| >>>>>
|| >>>>
|| >>>>
|| >>>
|| >>>
|| >>
|| >>
|| >
|| >
||
||
|
|
 
D

David Berry

Mine came preloaded on the PC.


Tom Willett said:
My Sun JRE (6.0) was only 12.5 MB.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| Yah and it's 153meg dl...so who's gonna download it anyway?
|
|
| || That's why people discourage the use of Java Applets on pages. Many
new
| PCs
|| may come with a JVM installed but you can't be sure. You could add
some
|| text that tells the user if they can't see this to go to
| http://java.sun.com
|| and download a Java Virtual Machine (kind of like people to when you
need
| to
|| download acrobat reader to see files) but that's about all you can do.
||
||
|| || >I did already download the program but I think the average internet
user
|| >does not know about this and will not search any further.
|| >
|| > Kurt Knoll.
|| >
|| > || >> IE7 supports Java but Microsoft doesn't provide it since the lawsuit
| with
|| >> SUN. You have to download a Java Virtual Machine for it to work.
|| >> http://java.sun.com
|| >>
|| >>
|| >> || >>>I have a hunch there was a copyright infringement somewhere. Could
this
|| >>>be the reason why Microsoft omitted java ege applet support in IE7
|| >>>
|| >>> Kurt Knoll.
|| >>>
|| >>> || >>>> My personal opinion is that Java only has a use on the web when it
|| >>>> provides a necessary functionality, not when it only provides a
|| >>>> cosmetic effect. And, it DEFINITELY should not be used for
navigation
|| >>>> elements....
|| >>>>
|| >>>> --
|| >>>> Murray
|| >>>> --------------
|| >>>> MVP FrontPage
|| >>>>
|| >>>>
|| >>>> || >>>>> You are absolutely right. I did download the java viritual
machine
| and
|| >>>>> it works. Therefore my question now would be" if I did have a
|| >>>>> commercial web site, How many people who will see pictures where
|| >>>>> applets are being used".
|| >>>>>
|| >>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| >>>>> Photographs of the Canadian Pacific Northwest.
|| >>>>> at www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
|| >>>>>
|| >>>>> || >>>>>>I only see an ugly gray box - the same as most people on the web
| will
|| >>>>>>see (since the number of web surfers who have actually downloaded
| and
|| >>>>>>installed the Java engine is quite small).
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>> Must you use this Java thing?
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>> --
|| >>>>>> Murray
|| >>>>>> --------------
|| >>>>>> MVP FrontPage
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>> || >>>>>>> Works fine for me. You must have a setting on your PC that's
not
|| >>>>>>> allowing you to see it or you don't have a JVM (Java Virtual
|| >>>>>>> Machine) installed. Try looking at it from another PC
|| >>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>> || >>>>>>>> Thanks here is the complete link this page is using an applet.
|| >>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>> http://www.kurtknoll.com/kitmtelseold.html
|| >>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| >>>>>>>> || >>>>>>>>> Post a link to your page, please.
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>> --
|| >>>>>>>>> Murray
|| >>>>>>>>> --------------
|| >>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>> || >>>>>>>>>> Internet explorer IE7 will not work with applets and or
Frames
| on
|| >>>>>>>>>> pages created with FrontPage 2003
|| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>>
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>>
|| >>>>>
|| >>>>>
|| >>>>
|| >>>>
|| >>>
|| >>>
|| >>
|| >>
|| >
|| >
||
||
|
|
Click to expand...
 
T

Tom Willett

Mine did originally, also, both office and at home Dells. However, I
upgrade it (manually) everytime the new version comes out.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| Mine came preloaded on the PC.
|
|
| | > My Sun JRE (6.0) was only 12.5 MB.
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > FrontPage Support:
| > http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| > ===
message
| > | > | Yah and it's 153meg dl...so who's gonna download it anyway?
| > |
| > |
| > | | > || That's why people discourage the use of Java Applets on pages. Many
| > new
| > | PCs
| > || may come with a JVM installed but you can't be sure. You could add
| > some
| > || text that tells the user if they can't see this to go to
| > | http://java.sun.com
| > || and download a Java Virtual Machine (kind of like people to when you
| > need
| > | to
| > || download acrobat reader to see files) but that's about all you can
do.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || | > || >I did already download the program but I think the average internet
| > user
| > || >does not know about this and will not search any further.
| > || >
| > || > Kurt Knoll.
| > || >
| > || > | > || >> IE7 supports Java but Microsoft doesn't provide it since the
lawsuit
| > | with
| > || >> SUN. You have to download a Java Virtual Machine for it to work.
| > || >> http://java.sun.com
| > || >>
| > || >>
| > || >> | > || >>>I have a hunch there was a copyright infringement somewhere. Could
| > this
| > || >>>be the reason why Microsoft omitted java ege applet support in IE7
| > || >>>
| > || >>> Kurt Knoll.
| > || >>>
| > || >>> | > || >>>> My personal opinion is that Java only has a use on the web when
it
| > || >>>> provides a necessary functionality, not when it only provides a
| > || >>>> cosmetic effect. And, it DEFINITELY should not be used for
| > navigation
| > || >>>> elements....
| > || >>>>
| > || >>>> --
| > || >>>> Murray
| > || >>>> --------------
| > || >>>> MVP FrontPage
| > || >>>>
| > || >>>>
| > || >>>> | > || >>>>> You are absolutely right. I did download the java viritual
| > machine
| > | and
| > || >>>>> it works. Therefore my question now would be" if I did have a
| > || >>>>> commercial web site, How many people who will see pictures
where
| > || >>>>> applets are being used".
| > || >>>>>
| > || >>>>> Kurt Knoll
| > || >>>>> Photographs of the Canadian Pacific Northwest.
| > || >>>>> at www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
| > || >>>>>
| > || >>>>> | > || >>>>>>I only see an ugly gray box - the same as most people on the
web
| > | will
| > || >>>>>>see (since the number of web surfers who have actually
downloaded
| > | and
| > || >>>>>>installed the Java engine is quite small).
| > || >>>>>>
| > || >>>>>> Must you use this Java thing?
| > || >>>>>>
| > || >>>>>> --
| > || >>>>>> Murray
| > || >>>>>> --------------
| > || >>>>>> MVP FrontPage
| > || >>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>
| > || >>>>>> | > || >>>>>>> Works fine for me. You must have a setting on your PC that's
| > not
| > || >>>>>>> allowing you to see it or you don't have a JVM (Java Virtual
| > || >>>>>>> Machine) installed. Try looking at it from another PC
| > || >>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>> | > || >>>>>>>> Thanks here is the complete link this page is using an
applet.
| > || >>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>> http://www.kurtknoll.com/kitmtelseold.html
| > || >>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
| > || >>>>>>>> | > || >>>>>>>>> Post a link to your page, please.
| > || >>>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>> --
| > || >>>>>>>>> Murray
| > || >>>>>>>>> --------------
| > || >>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
| > || >>>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>> | > || >>>>>>>>>> Internet explorer IE7 will not work with applets and or
| > Frames
| > | on
| > || >>>>>>>>>> pages created with FrontPage 2003
| > || >>>>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
| > || >>>>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>
| > || >>>>>>
| > || >>>>>
| > || >>>>>
| > || >>>>
| > || >>>>
| > || >>>
| > || >>>
| > || >>
| > || >>
| > || >
| > || >
| > ||
| > ||
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
D

David Berry

I've never bothered to upgrade it on any PC. Have you found things that
didn't work without the upgrade? Just curious since I've never had much
need for the JVM except for sites that use applets.
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

Santa brought me a Dell laptoop and it has it on there...i thought it said
the install was 152 meg...but then again there was eggnog involved. Spent
most of yesterday removing "value added software"...and drinkin nog.


| Mine did originally, also, both office and at home Dells. However, I
| upgrade it (manually) everytime the new version comes out.
| --
| ===
| Tom Willett
| Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| ---
| FrontPage Support:
| http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| ===
| || Mine came preloaded on the PC.
||
||
|| || > My Sun JRE (6.0) was only 12.5 MB.
|| > --
|| > ===
|| > Tom Willett
|| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
|| > ---
|| > FrontPage Support:
|| > http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
|| > ===
| message
|| > || > | Yah and it's 153meg dl...so who's gonna download it anyway?
|| > |
|| > |
|| > | || > || That's why people discourage the use of Java Applets on pages. Many
|| > new
|| > | PCs
|| > || may come with a JVM installed but you can't be sure. You could add
|| > some
|| > || text that tells the user if they can't see this to go to
|| > | http://java.sun.com
|| > || and download a Java Virtual Machine (kind of like people to when you
|| > need
|| > | to
|| > || download acrobat reader to see files) but that's about all you can
| do.
|| > ||
|| > ||
|| > || || > || >I did already download the program but I think the average internet
|| > user
|| > || >does not know about this and will not search any further.
|| > || >
|| > || > Kurt Knoll.
|| > || >
|| > || > || > || >> IE7 supports Java but Microsoft doesn't provide it since the
| lawsuit
|| > | with
|| > || >> SUN. You have to download a Java Virtual Machine for it to work.
|| > || >> http://java.sun.com
|| > || >>
|| > || >>
|| > || >> || > || >>>I have a hunch there was a copyright infringement somewhere.
Could
|| > this
|| > || >>>be the reason why Microsoft omitted java ege applet support in
IE7
|| > || >>>
|| > || >>> Kurt Knoll.
|| > || >>>
|| > || >>> || > || >>>> My personal opinion is that Java only has a use on the web when
| it
|| > || >>>> provides a necessary functionality, not when it only provides a
|| > || >>>> cosmetic effect. And, it DEFINITELY should not be used for
|| > navigation
|| > || >>>> elements....
|| > || >>>>
|| > || >>>> --
|| > || >>>> Murray
|| > || >>>> --------------
|| > || >>>> MVP FrontPage
|| > || >>>>
|| > || >>>>
|| > || >>>> || > || >>>>> You are absolutely right. I did download the java viritual
|| > machine
|| > | and
|| > || >>>>> it works. Therefore my question now would be" if I did have a
|| > || >>>>> commercial web site, How many people who will see pictures
| where
|| > || >>>>> applets are being used".
|| > || >>>>>
|| > || >>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| > || >>>>> Photographs of the Canadian Pacific Northwest.
|| > || >>>>> at www.kurtknoll.com/midway.html
|| > || >>>>>
|| > || >>>>> || > || >>>>>>I only see an ugly gray box - the same as most people on the
| web
|| > | will
|| > || >>>>>>see (since the number of web surfers who have actually
| downloaded
|| > | and
|| > || >>>>>>installed the Java engine is quite small).
|| > || >>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>> Must you use this Java thing?
|| > || >>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>> --
|| > || >>>>>> Murray
|| > || >>>>>> --------------
|| > || >>>>>> MVP FrontPage
|| > || >>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>> || > || >>>>>>> Works fine for me. You must have a setting on your PC
that's
|| > not
|| > || >>>>>>> allowing you to see it or you don't have a JVM (Java Virtual
|| > || >>>>>>> Machine) installed. Try looking at it from another PC
|| > || >>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>> || > || >>>>>>>> Thanks here is the complete link this page is using an
| applet.
|| > || >>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>> http://www.kurtknoll.com/kitmtelseold.html
|| > || >>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| > || >>>>>>>> || > || >>>>>>>>> Post a link to your page, please.
|| > || >>>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>> --
|| > || >>>>>>>>> Murray
|| > || >>>>>>>>> --------------
|| > || >>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
|| > || >>>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>> || > || >>>>>>>>>> Internet explorer IE7 will not work with applets and or
|| > Frames
|| > | on
|| > || >>>>>>>>>> pages created with FrontPage 2003
|| > || >>>>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>>> Kurt Knoll
|| > || >>>>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>
|| > || >>>>>>>
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