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jmac60

Hello SMEs,

Using 2003 and have hundreds of tasks for which the build department has
agreed to different delivery dates.

Is there a way I can find a required start date based on durations without
going into each task and setting a FNLT constraint? I don't have a valid date
to use Project Information/Schedule From.

Thanks
 
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Jack Dahlgren MVP

You could set deadlines for them. Then look at the last start dates.

-Jack Dahlgren
 
J

jmac60

Thanks Jack....
Can yu be more specific with 'the last start dates'? I have deadlines set on
the summary task line...do you mean I need to manually change the start dates
until the end date matches the deadline date?
 
S

Steve House

What do you mean by a "required start date based on durations?" You said
you don't have a project start date to use in the Project Infomation pane.
Let's say task X is 8 days duration ... what exactly DOES determine its
required start date?
 
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Jack Dahlgren MVP

Insert the "Late Start" column.

-Jack Dahlgren


jmac60 said:
Thanks Jack....
Can yu be more specific with 'the last start dates'? I have deadlines set
on
the summary task line...do you mean I need to manually change the start
dates
until the end date matches the deadline date?
 
J

jmac60

Steve...
I have task durations and need by dates that I've set up as deadlines to
avoid constraints. Looking for a way to backward pass from the deadline to
determine SNLT and then set my baseline.
Thanks
 
S

Steve House

I hate to say it but that's not a very good way to develop a schedule. As
Late As Possible means just what it says - the tasks are scheduled to
finish, hence start, as late as they possibly could without missing the
deadline. But the corollary of that method is that if a task gets delayed
for any reason it becomes impossible to meet your requirements since they're
already scheduled up against the wire. And the one thing you can count on
with absolute certainty in any real-world project is that SOMETHING is going
to be late! So scheduling backwards from required finish dates is an almost
certain guarantee that your project will fail by finishing late.

Why don't you have a valid start date to supply in the project information?
You're the project manager, it's your call. You decide that start date ...
choose one based on what you think is reasonable. Making such decisions is
why it's called "project management" - decision making is the most
fundamental aspect in the job description of "manager." So decide. Now you
might want to do some "what-if" kinds on experiments on the schedule to aid
in making that decision - roughing in the tasks, estimating their durations,
and setting the linkages that the physical process requires, scheduling
backwards from your required delivery date - this tells you the latest date
you might possibly start in a perfect world. But then you decide how much
of a cushion, how much wiggle room, you're going to need based on your
judgement of the risks and benefits, then pick a rational start date well in
advance of the latest possible date as the actual project kickoff date.
Develop your schedule by scheduling forwards from that chosen date
 
J

jmac60

not my call...the client wants the project set up this way so they can take
slack up front and they pay the consequences if they're late.
 
R

Rod Gill

I agree with Steve completely, this Project is set up to finish late. So,
insert Text1 into the Resource Sheet and rename it Scapegoat. Select who the
scapegoat is going to be because if you don't know who it is, then it could
be you!

--

Rod Gill
Microsoft MVP for Project

Author of the only book on Project VBA, see:
http://www.projectvbabook.com
 

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