Bullet blues

[Karitaat]

Hi all,

Word 2002 SP3

OK... I thought I had Bullets and Numbering tamed.
How presumptious!

I use the Shauna Kelly's set up to format a BulletedList
see: http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/bullets/controlbullets.html
I call this list: wlBullets (it is the 3rd non-empty ListTemplate)

I use the same technique to set up a NumberedList
I call that list: wlNumbers (it is the 1st non-empty ListTemplate)

I perform my tricks in Report.dot, that also contains some Fields etc.
I always have my Tools > Options... [View] Field shading: When
Selected.

All of a sudden, either in my Template or in the document that is based
on that template, I see that all Fields are grey (Sure enough: Field
shading: Always)
That is a symptome of List trouble.

Let me make it clear:
I did NOT change the Field shading and then the trouble begins.
No: the Word bug changes the Field shading as a sign that trouble has
struck.

And indeed: if I go to Format | Bullets and Numbering something is
wrong with my ListTemplates.
Sometimes the linked styles have vanished; sometimes the list is called
wlBullets2; sometimes the the Numbered ListTemplate is called
wlBullets, or maybe the name is gone.
Yes: the bug is quite resourceful.

But it drives me crazy.
I have [Reset] and [Customize...] wlBullets and wlNumbers more than I
care to remember.

You are interested in my setup? No problem: I know it by heart :-(

Both Bullets and Numbers have 3 non-empty levels
Their styles looks very much the same.
Bullet1 is a bullet; Bullet2 is en dash; Bullet3 a square bullet
Number1 is "1."; Number2 is "1.a"; Number3 is "i)"

The levels 1 through 5 are linked to style: 'List Bullet n' or 'List
Number n'.
The levels 6 through 9 are linked to style: (none)

Level 1: Bullet/Nr position: 18 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 36 pt
Level 2: Bullet/Nr position: 18 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 36 pt
(yes: that is the same; by design)
Level 3: Bullet/Nr position: 36 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 54 pt

Level 4 up: Bullet/Nr position: 54 pt
Tab space: 0 pt Indent at: 54 pt
Follow number with: nothing

Any thoughts, laughs, condolences are appreciated.

regards,
peter

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Hi Peter:

Make sure you have "Keep track of formatting" turned OFF in Tools>Options...

If that's on, it will wreck your list numbering every time.

Now: The discussion of Fields has me puzzled If you're using Shauna's
numbering, you don't HAVE any fields, and the setting of Field Shading
doesn't apply.

If you DO have fields, who done that?? How could your list-based numbering
have become replaced by field-based numbering?

I think what you may be seeing is a new feature of Word 2003. If you click
right ahead of the first character in a numbered paragraph, the entire list
should go grey. This was a new feature designed to highlight easily for the
user which paragraphs were members of the list and which ones were not.

Hope this helps

Hi all,

Word 2002 SP3

OK... I thought I had Bullets and Numbering tamed.
How presumptious!

I use the Shauna Kelly's set up to format a BulletedList
see: http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/bullets/controlbullets.html
I call this list: wlBullets (it is the 3rd non-empty ListTemplate)

I use the same technique to set up a NumberedList
I call that list: wlNumbers (it is the 1st non-empty ListTemplate)

I perform my tricks in Report.dot, that also contains some Fields etc.
I always have my Tools > Options... [View] Field shading: When
Selected.

All of a sudden, either in my Template or in the document that is based
on that template, I see that all Fields are grey (Sure enough: Field
shading: Always)
That is a symptome of List trouble.

Let me make it clear:
I did NOT change the Field shading and then the trouble begins.
No: the Word bug changes the Field shading as a sign that trouble has
struck.

And indeed: if I go to Format | Bullets and Numbering something is
wrong with my ListTemplates.
Sometimes the linked styles have vanished; sometimes the list is called
wlBullets2; sometimes the the Numbered ListTemplate is called
wlBullets, or maybe the name is gone.
Yes: the bug is quite resourceful.

But it drives me crazy.
I have [Reset] and [Customize...] wlBullets and wlNumbers more than I
care to remember.

You are interested in my setup? No problem: I know it by heart :-(

Both Bullets and Numbers have 3 non-empty levels
Their styles looks very much the same.
Bullet1 is a bullet; Bullet2 is en dash; Bullet3 a square bullet
Number1 is "1."; Number2 is "1.a"; Number3 is "i)"

The levels 1 through 5 are linked to style: 'List Bullet n' or 'List
Number n'.
The levels 6 through 9 are linked to style: (none)

Level 1: Bullet/Nr position: 18 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 36 pt
Level 2: Bullet/Nr position: 18 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 36 pt
(yes: that is the same; by design)
Level 3: Bullet/Nr position: 36 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 54 pt

Level 4 up: Bullet/Nr position: 54 pt
Tab space: 0 pt Indent at: 54 pt
Follow number with: nothing

Any thoughts, laughs, condolences are appreciated.

regards,
peter

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John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[Karitaat]

Hi John,

thank you for your reply.

I use Word-XP.

To answer your question ref. Fields:

My Numbering has nothing to do with my Fields: my template contains
Header/Footers with fields for the Title of the document, the date,
PgNr, etc.
Two separate things... I think
However, I have learned that in software: if you flush the toilet here,
somewhere else the light will go out.

But I know what went wrong:
* I maintain a template
* That template is quite old
(it started out as a Word 6 dot, converted to Word97 and to WordXP)
* In that template I applied Shauna Kelly's 'cookbook'
* I have done that a couple of times, near the End point of the dot
=> this is begging for corruption

So what I eventually did (and *should* have done in the first place):
* in an empty, virgin (!!!) document
* record the steps of the 'cookbook' in a Macro
Ah, look: every time I Customize a ListTemplate, Word gives a
Selection.Range.ListFormat.ApplyListTemplate command

* enhance the macro
(just the steps, NO .ApplyListTemplate )
* throw away the empty, not so virgin anymore, document
* and apply the macro to my template.

It seems to be well tempered, now.

John, (plus anybody else maybe?)
I have a couple of questions
1) my document-template has 120 ListTemplates
I know I cannot delete them, and in your article
'Word's numbering explained' you state that Word will crash
if the number of list templates in a single list gallery
exceeds 256.
Q: 'in a single List Gallery'? or 'in a single Document' ?
How can I find out the number of ListTemplates in a Gallery?
Q: I think I have read somewhere that WordXP starts anew if the number
of ListTemplates exceeds 256. Can you confirm that?

2) I plan to modify the Bullets/Numbering button (on the standard
toolbar) so it will apply 'my' styles 'List Bullet n' or
'List Number n'
I am extremely paranoia about useing the right ListTemplate
My (customized) LT's are called: wlBullets and wlNumbers
Q: Can I be sure that ALL 'List Bullet n' styles are 'my' styles, if:
ActiveDocument.ListTemplates("wlBullets") _
.ListLevels(1).LinkedStyle = "List Bullet" ??


regards,
peter




John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] schreef:

Hi Peter:

Make sure you have "Keep track of formatting" turned OFF in Tools>Options...

If that's on, it will wreck your list numbering every time.

Now: The discussion of Fields has me puzzled If you're using Shauna's
numbering, you don't HAVE any fields, and the setting of Field Shading
doesn't apply.

If you DO have fields, who done that?? How could your list-based numbering
have become replaced by field-based numbering?

I think what you may be seeing is a new feature of Word 2003. If you click
right ahead of the first character in a numbered paragraph, the entire list
should go grey. This was a new feature designed to highlight easily for the
user which paragraphs were members of the list and which ones were not.

Hope this helps

Hi all,

Word 2002 SP3

OK... I thought I had Bullets and Numbering tamed.
How presumptious!

I use the Shauna Kelly's set up to format a BulletedList
see: http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/bullets/controlbullets.html
I call this list: wlBullets (it is the 3rd non-empty ListTemplate)

I use the same technique to set up a NumberedList
I call that list: wlNumbers (it is the 1st non-empty ListTemplate)

I perform my tricks in Report.dot, that also contains some Fields etc.
I always have my Tools > Options... [View] Field shading: When
Selected.

All of a sudden, either in my Template or in the document that is based
on that template, I see that all Fields are grey (Sure enough: Field
shading: Always)
That is a symptome of List trouble.

Let me make it clear:
I did NOT change the Field shading and then the trouble begins.
No: the Word bug changes the Field shading as a sign that trouble has
struck.

And indeed: if I go to Format | Bullets and Numbering something is
wrong with my ListTemplates.
Sometimes the linked styles have vanished; sometimes the list is called
wlBullets2; sometimes the the Numbered ListTemplate is called
wlBullets, or maybe the name is gone.
Yes: the bug is quite resourceful.

But it drives me crazy.
I have [Reset] and [Customize...] wlBullets and wlNumbers more than I
care to remember.

You are interested in my setup? No problem: I know it by heart :-(

Both Bullets and Numbers have 3 non-empty levels
Their styles looks very much the same.
Bullet1 is a bullet; Bullet2 is en dash; Bullet3 a square bullet
Number1 is "1."; Number2 is "1.a"; Number3 is "i)"

The levels 1 through 5 are linked to style: 'List Bullet n' or 'List
Number n'.
The levels 6 through 9 are linked to style: (none)

Level 1: Bullet/Nr position: 18 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 36 pt
Level 2: Bullet/Nr position: 18 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 36 pt
(yes: that is the same; by design)
Level 3: Bullet/Nr position: 36 pt
Tab space: 18 pt Indent at: 54 pt

Level 4 up: Bullet/Nr position: 54 pt
Tab space: 0 pt Indent at: 54 pt
Follow number with: nothing

Any thoughts, laughs, condolences are appreciated.

regards,
peter

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Business Analyst, Consultant
Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410