Can you change the default start of the day time from 12 am?

[Hollywood1954]

I would like to change the default start of the day time in MS Project from
12 am (midnight) to 6 am. This is when our workday/payday starts & the time
of day we start scheduling work for.

 

[Gérard Ducouret]

Hello,

Go to : Tools / Options / Calendar to change these parameters,
Then Tools / Change Working Time to adapt the calendar timeslots to these
parameters.

Gérard Ducouret

 

[Hollywood1954]

I tried that, but doesn't that set the default go to work time? Maybe I
wasn't clear on what I am trying to do. Project & the rest of the world says
that Monday ends at 11:59 PM (12:00 AM in Microsoft) and Tuesday starts at
12:00 AM. What I would like to do is tell Project that Monday starts at 06:00
AM and end on the following morning (Tuesday) at 05:59 am. Currently I have
the default start time set to 6:00 AM and end time at 4:00 PM because that is
our normal work day (we work a 10 hr no lunch break day). Is that not the
correct thing to do?

 

[Steve House [Project MVP]]

No lunch break in a 10 hour day ?!?!?!?!? You can't be serious! People
survive that ordeal and show up for work the next day? How in the world do
you avoid massive lawsuits and union organizers? Seriously - with the
nickname "Hollywood" I'd expect you're in California and the law there
clearly requires a minimum of 1 unpaid 30 minute lunchbreak and 3 paid
10-minute rest periods when you have people working a 10 hour day, at least
when awareness of it was part of my job description. No offense intended
but you've got bigger problems than the time the day officially starts if
your company thinks this is a fair and reasonable way to treat its
employees. It's a miracle you have any worker productivity at all.

 

[Hollywood1954]

No, I'm NOT from California. They take a lunch break & orther breaks when
they can, that was there choice when they voted to go to this shift. Do you
know of a solution the the question I asked?

No lunch break in a 10 hour day ?!?!?!?!? You can't be serious! People
survive that ordeal and show up for work the next day? How in the world do
you avoid massive lawsuits and union organizers? Seriously - with the
nickname "Hollywood" I'd expect you're in California and the law there
clearly requires a minimum of 1 unpaid 30 minute lunchbreak and 3 paid
10-minute rest periods when you have people working a 10 hour day, at least
when awareness of it was part of my job description. No offense intended
but you've got bigger problems than the time the day officially starts if
your company thinks this is a fair and reasonable way to treat its
employees. It's a miracle you have any worker productivity at all.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs

I tried that, but doesn't that set the default go to work time? Maybe I
wasn't clear on what I am trying to do. Project & the rest of the world
says
that Monday ends at 11:59 PM (12:00 AM in Microsoft) and Tuesday starts at
12:00 AM. What I would like to do is tell Project that Monday starts at
06:00
AM and end on the following morning (Tuesday) at 05:59 am. Currently I
have
the default start time set to 6:00 AM and end time at 4:00 PM because that
is
our normal work day (we work a 10 hr no lunch break day). Is that not the
correct thing to do?

 

[Steve House [Project MVP]]

There is no solution to that issue, sorry. Project follows the same
calendar rules that the rest of the world does with a calendar
day-of-the-week defined as extending from midnight to midnight and here's no
way to change it.

If they do take a lunch break when they can but you don't schedule it in the
calendar, you still need to put in an equilvalent amount of non-working time
in the most likely or typical location so the relationship between hours on
the job and hours of productive work achieved remains valid. It doesn't
need to be the actual time they go but the deduction for non-working time
has to be in there somewhere. If someone is on-site for 10 hours and
sometime during that time they take a 30 minute break, they're present for
10 hours total but only generate 9.5 hours of productive output. In terms
of estimating how long it will take them to create 100 widgets or whatever
the task may be, you should only count towards duration the time that they
are actively involved in productive work, deducting any time that is
non-productive. That's why Project's calendar allows for lunch breaks. You
may say "it's only half an hour" but it's a cummulative error and means that
after merely one week of activity into the project your time estimates will
be more than a full half-day per person off.

Sorry if you took offense at my comments - but remember, unless there's a
collective bargaining agreement to the contrary you cannot legally ask your
workers to agree to working conditions that violate the prevailing labour
laws and standards. In the event that the minimum legal standards and a
collective agreement differ, any contract provisions that don't come up to
the statutory minimum standards are automatically null and void. In the
event it's an "informal agreement" voted by the workers, all it takes is one
disgruntled employee making one phone call to the labour standards people
whatever it's known by in your jurisdiction and you're in the deep stuff to
the tune of many thousands of dollars at risk, likely to cost you far more
money than you could have possibly saved by implimenting "creative" personel
policies. Just offering a word to the wise, having seen it happen before.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs

No, I'm NOT from California. They take a lunch break & orther breaks when
they can, that was there choice when they voted to go to this shift. Do
you
know of a solution the the question I asked?

No lunch break in a 10 hour day ?!?!?!?!? You can't be serious! People
survive that ordeal and show up for work the next day? How in the world
do
you avoid massive lawsuits and union organizers? Seriously - with the
nickname "Hollywood" I'd expect you're in California and the law there
clearly requires a minimum of 1 unpaid 30 minute lunchbreak and 3 paid
10-minute rest periods when you have people working a 10 hour day, at
least
when awareness of it was part of my job description. No offense intended
but you've got bigger problems than the time the day officially starts if
your company thinks this is a fair and reasonable way to treat its
employees. It's a miracle you have any worker productivity at all.
--
Steve House [Project MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


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I tried that, but doesn't that set the default go to work time? Maybe I
wasn't clear on what I am trying to do. Project & the rest of the world
says
that Monday ends at 11:59 PM (12:00 AM in Microsoft) and Tuesday starts
at
12:00 AM. What I would like to do is tell Project that Monday starts at
06:00
AM and end on the following morning (Tuesday) at 05:59 am. Currently I
have
the default start time set to 6:00 AM and end time at 4:00 PM because
that
is
our normal work day (we work a 10 hr no lunch break day). Is that not
the
correct thing to do?

:

Hello,

Go to : Tools / Options / Calendar to change these parameters,
Then Tools / Change Working Time to adapt the calendar timeslots to
these
parameters.

GÃf©rard Ducouret

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message de I would like to change the default start of the day time in MS
Project
from
12 am (midnight) to 6 am. This is when our workday/payday starts &
the
time
of day we start scheduling work for.