change from Home and Student to Small Business

[travelingswimmer]

Hi - I got a great new computer for Christmas, however it came from the
manufacturer loaded with Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007. I need to
have both Outlook and Publisher added to the Office suite to be fully
functional. I've done some online pricing and it seems cheaper to just buy a
Microsoft Office Small Business 2007 package than to separately buy and add
both Microsoft Outlook 2007 and Microsoft Pubblisher 2007 to the existing
Home and Student Office suite. Please note that I don't want to go with a
download version, I want the disks in hand. Before I purchase the Small
Business edition though, I am wondering if my thinking makes sense and how
would I proceed to install the Small Business edition. Will I uninstall the
Home and Student edition completely first? Thanks for the help.

 

[LVTravel]

Hi - I got a great new computer for Christmas, however it came from the
manufacturer loaded with Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007. I need to
have both Outlook and Publisher added to the Office suite to be fully
functional. I've done some online pricing and it seems cheaper to just buy
a
Microsoft Office Small Business 2007 package than to separately buy and
add
both Microsoft Outlook 2007 and Microsoft Pubblisher 2007 to the existing
Home and Student Office suite. Please note that I don't want to go with a
download version, I want the disks in hand. Before I purchase the Small
Business edition though, I am wondering if my thinking makes sense and how
would I proceed to install the Small Business edition. Will I uninstall
the
Home and Student edition completely first? Thanks for the help.

Yes, uninstall the Home and Student (H & S) version first.

Unless you paid additional money for the H & S version you have installed I
would assume that the version you have installed currently is a trial
version that is commonly installed by computer manufacturers. It must be
uninstalled, along with any associated activation wizard, prior to
installing any retail office version. After the uninstall, reboot the
computer before attempting to install your SBE version. If you paid for the
H & S version and you have a retail disk in your possession, that would
qualify for the SBE version upgrade purchase.

Office SBE will give you all the programs that you say you need. I would
suggest looking at Amazon.com for their prices as they historically have
been some of the best available with very reliable service. If you have a
qualifying product with your new computer you can purchase the retail
upgrade installation package from them for $159.99 shipping included at
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Office-Small-Business-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCTY1W/ref=pd_bxgy_sw_text_b
or you can purchase the retail full product for $259.99 at
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383351&pf_rd_i=507846

Many manufacturers do include MS Works as a "paid for" program and if that
is installed, the upgrade version will work for you also.

Hope this information helps

 

[travelingswimmer]

Hi again -
Thanks so much for your response; it provided a lot of info, but your
suggesting that I might have a trial version of Microsoft Office Home and
Student begs a follow-up question. I received the computer as a Christmas
gift, so I do not if the Microsoft Office H&S was paid for separately. I only
know the computer was purchased directly from HP. So how would I be able to
tell if I had a trial version? Microsoft Office H&S appears to be fully
loaded & operational on my week old computer, provides no messages as to a
time limit for use when I have used Word, and I do have an official Microsoft
packaged but unopened Microsoft Office H&S CD with product key on the back.
This fact alone leads me to believe that the the version of Microsoft Office
is not a trial version, but I'm not sure and so I'm checking.
Also, your comment about being able to purchase the retail upgrade for
Microsoft Office SBE if I have a qualifying product added more impetus to
what is probably my underlying question. Is purchasing an upgrade possible in
this situation? I assumed that a Microsoft upgrade applied only within that
Microsoft Office edition. For instance, if you had H&S then you upgraded with
H&S and if you had SBE then you upgraded with SBE. Obviously it makes sense
that you could only upgrade with a higher suite of Office, not lower, so that
all components of the suite fully upgraded. But I argued with myself that
since the higher level Office suite has new components, an upgrade might not
load the new components (like Publisher and Outlook) if they weren't loaded
originally. I just couldn't find a clarification anywhere or make complete
sense of how an upgrade would work. So if I purchase a Microsoft Office Small
Business Edition 2007 UPGRADE and apply it onto my currently loaded Microsoft
Office Home & Student 2007 will all the Office applications including
Publisher and Outlook work fully and properly ????
Thanks for the tip on Amazon. I had found the Microsoft Office Small
Business editon at Costco for $234.99 which was the best price I could find.
Going with an upgrade would save me a lot of money.
Thank you so much for your quick response and valuable information. My new
computer is so amazing that I just want to keep it working well. Have a great
day.

 

[Earle Horton]

If you're a student check out the "Ultimate Steal" from Microsoft. For
purposes of this offer being a student consists of having a ".edu" email or
an email from one of a list of qualifying institutions. It does sound as if
whoever gave you the computer also purchased Home & Student as a gift too.

http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx

Earle

 

[LVTravel]

Hi again -
Thanks so much for your response; it provided a lot of info, but your
suggesting that I might have a trial version of Microsoft Office Home and
Student begs a follow-up question. I received the computer as a Christmas
gift, so I do not if the Microsoft Office H&S was paid for separately. I
only
know the computer was purchased directly from HP. So how would I be able
to
tell if I had a trial version? Microsoft Office H&S appears to be fully
loaded & operational on my week old computer, provides no messages as to a
time limit for use when I have used Word, and I do have an official
Microsoft
packaged but unopened Microsoft Office H&S CD with product key on the
back.
This fact alone leads me to believe that the the version of Microsoft
Office
is not a trial version, but I'm not sure and so I'm checking.
Also, your comment about being able to purchase the retail upgrade for
Microsoft Office SBE if I have a qualifying product added more impetus to
what is probably my underlying question. Is purchasing an upgrade possible
in
this situation? I assumed that a Microsoft upgrade applied only within
that
Microsoft Office edition. For instance, if you had H&S then you upgraded
with
H&S and if you had SBE then you upgraded with SBE. Obviously it makes
sense
that you could only upgrade with a higher suite of Office, not lower, so
that
all components of the suite fully upgraded. But I argued with myself that
since the higher level Office suite has new components, an upgrade might
not
load the new components (like Publisher and Outlook) if they weren't
loaded
originally. I just couldn't find a clarification anywhere or make
complete
sense of how an upgrade would work. So if I purchase a Microsoft Office
Small
Business Edition 2007 UPGRADE and apply it onto my currently loaded
Microsoft
Office Home & Student 2007 will all the Office applications including
Publisher and Outlook work fully and properly ????
Thanks for the tip on Amazon. I had found the Microsoft Office Small
Business editon at Costco for $234.99 which was the best price I could
find.
Going with an upgrade would save me a lot of money.
Thank you so much for your quick response and valuable information. My new
computer is so amazing that I just want to keep it working well. Have a
great
day.

If you have the CD for H & S I too would assume that it is a full, probably
OEM, version of the Office suite. To see exactly what you have you need to
start one of the programs (these are for Word.) Click the Office button
then Word Options, Resources, About Microsoft Word. To determine if the
product is OEM you can see if the letters OEM are in the second set of
numbers in the Product ID (of course you can look at the license key
information on the sticker on the back of the CD. If it has FPP on it you
have a retail (install onto three computers), OEM or MLK the license is tied
forever to the laptop you have.

As for upgrading. I had H & S on the system I am typing this on. Upgraded
to SBE and all works properly except the Non-commercial use information is
on the header. The only way to prevent that from happening AFAIK is to
uninstall all the parts of H & S you don't want to display the
Non-commercial information and install SBE. I really don't worry about it
since I do have a licensed copy of SBE installed. When I installed SBE I
told it to overwrite Word but it didn’t' change the registry settings for
the Non-commercial use. When you run the install for SBE, Publisher and
Outlook will install fine so that will relieve some of your anxiety.

As for upgrading .... See:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/FX101754511033.aspx and look at the
right hand column for the upgrade qualifier for SBE. You will see that any
Office 2007 product will be an upgrade qualifier.

 

[travelingswimmer]

Hi LVTravel -
You are awesome. Thanks so much for your response. Great information that
I could understand and ponder. Thanks to you, it was easy for me to identify
that the Microsoft Office Student & Home edition loaded on my new computer is
in fact OEM, and not a trial or retail version. Could you further explain
what you meant when you said "OEM or MLK the license is tied forever to the
laptop you have"? Do you mean that I can't use the OEM Office disk to
install the Office suite on another computer (which is fine by me) or do you
mean that Office H&S is forever controlling something on my computer?

I REALLY appreciate you describing your experience upgrading from S&H to
SBE. It definitely helps to relieve some anxiety to know that you did the
same thing that I want to do. Gosh I must sound like such a newbie here, but
I am definitely proceeding with caution here because on my previous 2
computers I have never had to install/uninstall or even upgrade any of the
Office software. I had Office Professional and was good to go for the past 5
years. Your mentioning the non-commercial use info in the header was a good
point for me to investigate. I am active in my school's PTA as well as in
Boy Scouts and of course do a lot of PTA & scout work on my computer. I
learned from several web searches that these uses would in fact violate the
S&H EULA for non-commercial use, so now I have even more of a reason than
cost alone to upgrade to SBE instead of just purchasing the individual
programs of Publisher and Outlook that I want.

I had looked at the Microsoft webpage you recommended, several times in fact
over the past week along with several similar pages, but I just couldn't
determine what "Upgrade" meant. I kept thinking of it in terms of upgrading
between Office 2003 and Office 2007. I wasn't thinking of it in terms of
upgrading within Office 2007 from S&H to SBE. So thanks for that
clariffication.

From your description, it sounds like I will be successful if I unistall
Office S&H's Word, PowerPoint, and Excel which would leave only OneNote
installed. Then I would install Office SBE UPGRADE's components of Word,
PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook and Publisher. It seems straightforward enough
but do you have any words of wisdom on the uninstall process. I'm assuming
that I would proceed through the Add/Delete software option in the control
Panel. YIKES, I just looked and encountered another difference with this new
computer ... there's no Add/Delete Software option in the control Panel!!!
Is that possible. I hate to ask but HELP!!! Is Add/Delete software hiding
somewhere else? Does it go by a different name? Or now in Vista are you
supposed to handle software in a different way? I do apologize for all the
questions but would GREATLY appreciate your continued support.
Thanks, Kim (travelingswimmer)

 

[Earle Horton]

OEM versions of software aren't supposed to be loaded on another computer,
even if you got rid of the current computer or it broke down. It is
possible to do so, but a violation of your license. The reason is that with
OEM software the vendor of the laptop, or whoever loaded Office on the
laptop, is accountable for supporting it. It wouldn't be fair to them, to
require them to support the software on another computer that they hadn't
sold you. That is the rationalization that Microsoft uses to be able to say
that OEM software lives and dies on the computer it is installed on.

Add/Delete Programs is called Programs and Features now. It is under
Programs in Vista Control Panel, Programs and Features in Classic View.

Earle

 

[LVTravel]

Hi LVTravel -
You are awesome. Thanks so much for your response. Great information
that
I could understand and ponder. Thanks to you, it was easy for me to
identify
that the Microsoft Office Student & Home edition loaded on my new computer
is
in fact OEM, and not a trial or retail version. Could you further explain
what you meant when you said "OEM or MLK the license is tied forever to
the
laptop you have"? Do you mean that I can't use the OEM Office disk to
install the Office suite on another computer (which is fine by me) or do
you
mean that Office H&S is forever controlling something on my computer?

I REALLY appreciate you describing your experience upgrading from S&H to
SBE. It definitely helps to relieve some anxiety to know that you did the
same thing that I want to do. Gosh I must sound like such a newbie here,
but
I am definitely proceeding with caution here because on my previous 2
computers I have never had to install/uninstall or even upgrade any of the
Office software. I had Office Professional and was good to go for the
past 5
years. Your mentioning the non-commercial use info in the header was a
good
point for me to investigate. I am active in my school's PTA as well as in
Boy Scouts and of course do a lot of PTA & scout work on my computer. I
learned from several web searches that these uses would in fact violate
the
S&H EULA for non-commercial use, so now I have even more of a reason than
cost alone to upgrade to SBE instead of just purchasing the individual
programs of Publisher and Outlook that I want.

I had looked at the Microsoft webpage you recommended, several times in
fact
over the past week along with several similar pages, but I just couldn't
determine what "Upgrade" meant. I kept thinking of it in terms of
upgrading
between Office 2003 and Office 2007. I wasn't thinking of it in terms of
upgrading within Office 2007 from S&H to SBE. So thanks for that
clariffication.

From your description, it sounds like I will be successful if I unistall
Office S&H's Word, PowerPoint, and Excel which would leave only OneNote
installed. Then I would install Office SBE UPGRADE's components of Word,
PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook and Publisher. It seems straightforward enough
but do you have any words of wisdom on the uninstall process. I'm
assuming
that I would proceed through the Add/Delete software option in the control
Panel. YIKES, I just looked and encountered another difference with this
new
computer ... there's no Add/Delete Software option in the control Panel!!!
Is that possible. I hate to ask but HELP!!! Is Add/Delete software hiding
somewhere else? Does it go by a different name? Or now in Vista are you
supposed to handle software in a different way? I do apologize for all the
questions but would GREATLY appreciate your continued support.
Thanks, Kim (travelingswimmer)

On a Vista computer the "Add Delete programs" is now called "Programs and
Features." You will find the installation for H & S there.

Yes if you uninstall the Word, Excel and PPT versions currently installed
you can then do a full install of the SBE version. Done this way you should
not have the "Non-commercial" on the title bar of the installed products.

OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer. This software is sold at a reduced
price to people that is tied forever to the original computer it is
installed on. If the computer dies, the rights to use the software also
dies with the computer and that is the reason it is cheaper than a retail
version that you are about to purchase in SBE. Even if your current laptop
dies, keep the H & S CD and case with the SBE install product. Here's why.
Even though it would be a violation of the EULA you can use the H & S
install disk as the required upgrade qualifier for a replacement PC. SBE
retail upgrade can be transferred, just not the OEM H & S. Now, if a new
computer is purchased to replace the current one (for whatever reason) most
larger manufacturers will include Microsoft's Works program suite. That is
also a qualifier for your SBE upgrade purchase.

Office 2007 cross upgrade is allowed. Some previous versions of Office
would not allow an upgrade to be done within the same level (say 2000 SBE to
2000 Pro.)