Does anyone have instructions for 7th grade students?

[avidpantherteacher06]

I would like to use this program in my classroom and I am in need of easy,
step by step instructions on how to use OneNote. I am planning on having my
students use the shared session feature to work collaboratively in study
groups taking notes. They are also going to take notes in their other classes
and submit them to me electronically (is email the easiest way?).

 

[Grant Robertson]

I would like to use this program in my classroom and I am in need of easy,
step by step instructions on how to use OneNote. I am planning on having my
students use the shared session feature to work collaboratively in study
groups taking notes. They are also going to take notes in their other classes
and submit them to me electronically (is email the easiest way?).

You've got to be kidding me. That's like asking for easy step by step
instructions for using mail merge in Word. It always depends on what you
are doing. Unfortunately, writing these instructions is your job as a
teacher.

 

[Jonathan]

Are you planning to stick with 2003 for this project? Please do. One good
reason is that there are several OK books on OneNote2003, many of which are
in libraries or available used from Amazon. Go crib from them, and become
pretty good at this yourself. Are we talking about tablets? That adds some
more needed training. You might read some of the posts at Vermont Slate
(Google the blog) if you have slates available for your students. (Lucky
kids!)

Why have them e-mail you if you plan to mark up the work? That turns you
into their secretary. Or do you plan to mark on their doc with a tablet of
your own? What is the goal? Good outlines that act as study aids? You
haven't told us much.

Lastly, have you looked at academic pricing for supplying the SW to your
students? I looked into this for our faculty (I teach elementary school) and
was quoted a *great* price for many copies of OneNote to be used in a school.
They would not be individually boxed, and you would have to administer a
group license. But it made a group adoption possible --at least in its
pricing. I have not done this because I have to convince more people just to
use their computers for *anything*! But that's my camnpus.

Good luck -- check out the good OneNote Books.

Jonathan Rawle

 

[avidpantherteacher06]

It seems to me that your reply was very negative and not helpful at all. As a
job as a teacher, I look for ways to save my time (and being a wife and
mother of two this is always appreciated by my family). As teachers, we share
resources frequently so that someone does not have to "reinvent the wheel."

 

[avidpantherteacher06]

Thank you for the advice! I was trying to keep my question and comments brief
and since I'm just learning the program myself, I was looking for ways to
simplify it. Thanks again for your help.

 

[Amos Soma]

I've not been on this forum too long but I've noticed this seems to be Grant
Robertson's standard way of communicating. I would just ignore him.

I might suggest you take a look at the demo located at:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/programs/onenote/highlights.mspx

Amos.

 

[Amos Soma]

You might also want to look at: http://blogs.msdn.com/chris_pratley/

 

[Grant Robertson]

I've not been on this forum too long but I've noticed this seems to be Grant
Robertson's standard way of communicating. I would just ignore him.

That's right. I'm blunt and I'm old-school but I'm honest. I don't like
it when MVP's gloss over problems but I also don't like it when newbies
expect other people to do their work for them. It's considered very bad
form to get on a newsgroup and ask strangers to do your job for you for
free. I see no reason to pussy foot around to avoid hurting overly
sensitive feelings but I don't flame people either.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

avidpantherteacher06

It seems to me that your reply was very negative and not helpful
at all. As a job as a teacher, I look for ways to save my time
(and being a wife and mother of two this is always appreciated
by my family). As teachers, we share resources frequently so
that someone does not have to "reinvent the wheel."

FWIW:
I fully agree with you!

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

I'm totally new to this forum and have not yet come across Grant's
posting.
But the one here IMHO is not an example for how NG-communication
works.

... but I also don't
like it when newbies expect other people to do their work for
them. It's considered very bad form to get on a newsgroup and
ask strangers to do your job for you for free.

AFAICS this is not at all what the author of this thread asked for.
He simply asked "does anyone have instructions" which I did not
understand as asking if someone would instruct him!
From my point of view this was asking for references and/or material,
not for some lengthy write-ups especially made up for him.
He did not ask for being given lessons in here.

I see no reason to pussy foot around to avoid
hurting overly sensitive feelings

IMO it was a totally unnecessary bashing of someone you asked in a
kind/polite form and did not at all ask too much.
One does not need to be "overly" sensitive to see the rough and
totally inappropriate way of cursing ...

Saying to be "old-school": Bad remembrances from the school-days?
Traumata left over?

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Jonathan <jonathan7zerozero7(use numbers) at yahew dot usual
domain> shared these words of wisdom:

One good reason is that there are several OK books on
OneNote2003, many of which are in libraries or available used
from Amazon.

Working on the idea to use OneNote in university teaching:
Would you have any recommendation on books??
My main thing at present is to understand the philosophy behind ON.
Bought the only thing available in German I could find at first sight
(via Amazon without having had a look like in a bookstore) - awful,
simply awful: The "screen shot collection" type of book ... :-( :-(

You might read some of the posts at Vermont
Slate (Google the blog)

Googling around brought me to some factories/dealers of "slates" in
Vermont (which reminded of the days when I had to do organizing and
guiding study-tours for roofing contractors in the US and from the US
<gbg>).

But finally I came across a blog with a reference and made my way.
In case others might want to look too:
http://vermontslate.blogspot.com/

Thanks again
Rainald

 

[Amos Soma]

Grant,

Yes you are blunt and honest, and rude. Frankly, this newsgroup could do
without you quite well. Did you happen to notice my response to this person?
I didn't do this person's job for him/her but I did offer a couple links
that might help. Would that have been too much for you to do?

Amos.

 

[Grant Robertson]

But finally I came across a blog with a reference and made my way.
In case others might want to look too:
http://vermontslate.blogspot.com/

The blogs on MS web site are generally better at teaching the fine points
of ON than any book I have seen. I have written an article that is
helpful for learning how to write in the correct places so ON 03 will
know what you want. However, for what you are doing it would be better to
wait for ON 07 and my article will be useless for that version because
the way they interpret where you write is completely different. In the 07
version sharing files will apparently be nothing more than a matter of
putting them on a server and everyone opening the same file. In that
case, you won't even need any instructions at all. You will most
certainly develop certain protocols based on what you notice about how
your students end up using the software however that will be unique to
your situation. I have no idea how well 07 will do with live sharing but
they seem to have put a lot of emphasis on it so it probably won't be too
shabby.

Sorry if I came off rude. However, you really will need to learn the fine
points yourself and write your own instructions for your students. Only
you know how they think and what their experience level is. Only you can
know what "system" you have worked out to get everything to work
according to your needs. And regardless of how "rude" some people think
it is to tell someone to do the work themselves it is the equivalent of
telling your students to look it up in the dictionary. They may not like
it but they don't learn anything if you just tell them the answer. It is
a long standing tradition on the internet that you only ask for help
AFTER you have done plenty of work to find the solution yourself. We
aren't a bunch of ultra-altruistic slaves ready to do anyone's bidding.
If you can't show that you have done the work (tried to look it up in the
dictionary and couldn't find it) THEN you ask for advice from others. But
you still don't ask them to spend their time writing out step by step
instructions so you don't have to.

 

[Jonathan]

Your question comes as I am doing some of the same thinking: how do I get the
fifth graders using new tools? I don't anticipate having them use ON but if
you students will actually type into OneNote, the real value is the
structured thinking necessary to set up/use such a tool well. The other value
is the WIDE range of *different* ways they might structure that data and
still be able to use it later (which you will have to figure out how to
assess.) So they will get some real-world learning out of this.

How about showing them the demo that is in "video" form at the MS website
for OneNote2003? Then ask them how you could use it to take notes (or do
other tasks you set up) or even ask them what tasks the software could "do"?
Get them to talk about the integration of their lives with school. This is
WAY more powerful than time spent on myspace. You would have a few
requirements in your pocket in advance and if they don't mention those then
you will and they will, eventually, have to do those for you anyway. Then you
can reward the innovative thinking on top of that. Then get them to run
screen demos of their projects for the rest of the school.

Research some TIGHT/LEGAL on-line permission letters and FERPA (I think I
got that acronym right) requirements about infomation that is allowed to
"escape" the school environment. Figure out how to moderate anything that is
on the web. You will have some [personal/professional] liabilities if you
don't manage it carefully.

Please excuse the typos- in a hurry and I never learned to type myself (I
tell the kids, "Don't end up typing like ME!" You didn't leave an e-mail in
your profile. We should share resources we find on this as I have a bunch of
work to set up the new classroom in the next three weeks and get my IT house
in order. (Looks like there's no $$ for a computer teacher this year so I'll
be doing that on my own again.)

I can be reached at jonathan7007 (Yahoo mail). Let's take the rest of our
exchange off-line if you are willing.

BTW, if you lurk here for the rest of the summer break you will find that
Grant's posts are extremely well researched and often illuminate critical
useability issues with OneNote2003 *and* ON2007. The outlining issue is the
tops for me, leading me to be sure I can run ON2003 on a second machine just
to be able to use that ON2003 orpahaned and not brought to ON2007.

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Grant Robertson <[email protected]> shared these words of wisdom:

Thanks for reply, Grant!

The blogs on MS web site are generally better at teaching the
fine points of ON than any book I have seen.

Could be. There's blogs containing true jewels.
Main problem: Mostly no *systematic* approach. A culmination of the
"heuristic" way of research ...

I have written an
article that is helpful for learning how to write in the correct
places so ON 03 will know what you want. However, for what you
are doing it would be better to wait for ON 07 and my article
will be useless for that version because the way they interpret
where you write is completely different.

I have ON 2007 already and I won't back down ;-)
Still I'd be interested in your article. Might you post a link, pls?

In the 07 version sharing files will apparently be
nothing more than a matter of putting them on a server
and everyone opening the same file. In that case, you
won't even need any instructions at all.

Sorry, I do not see any connection in so far.
And it was not *me* who asked for "instructions".
As said: *My* main thing is to get into the philosophy of what ON is
based upon and which new ways working it offers.

You will most certainly develop certain protocols
based on what you notice about how your students
end up using the software however that will
be unique to your situation.

Hardly that because on my side it's the *academic* sector of BA and
Master (MBA) courses and not schooling.

I have no idea how well 07 will do with live sharing
but they seem to have put a lot of
emphasis on it so it probably won't be too shabby.

*Sharing* information is not yet on my mind at all. May come later.

Sorry if I came off rude.

Not towards *me* ;-) ;-)
I had just jumped on this branch of the thread and commented on what
seemed inappropriate to me.
And as said *I* did not at all ask for instructions, recipes or the
like.
I just asked for recommendation on *books* as those had been mentioned
before.

This said (and your "you" obviously not meant for *me* but for the
author of the thread):

And regardless of how "rude" some people think it is to tell
someone to do the work themselves it is the equivalent of
telling your students to look it up in the dictionary.

AFAICS there was a big misunderstanding:
As I understood the author of this thread he was not all asking being
given instructions for his personal needs.
IMO it was more less on "which kind of dictionary to use?"

They may not like it but they don't learn anything if
you just tell them the answer. It is a long standing
tradition on the internet that you only ask for help
AFTER you have done plenty of work to find the solution
yourself.

Again: A total misunderstanding.

We aren't a bunch of ultra-altruistic
slaves ready to do anyone's bidding.

For sure! Having spent an immeasurable amount of my lifetime in
specialized NGs and forums I know what you are having in mind.

If you can't show that you
have done the work (tried to look it up in the dictionary and
couldn't find it) THEN you ask for advice from others. But you
still don't ask them to spend their time writing out step by
step instructions so you don't have to.

That's it again: Contrary to you I do not see that
"avidpantherteacher06" would have asked for that. As I understood him
he did not at all want that someone would *write*up* instructions for
him. It was my understanding that he was looking for references rather
than individually tailor made stuff.

Anyway, 'nuff said.
As it was a misunderstanding, I 'd suggest to bury this thing.

Regards
Rainald

 

[Jonathan]

Rainald,
I never saw the book but a very interesting blog I now cannot find -- and a
book -- were written by a W. Frederick Zimmerman. However, remember that
these books were probably all (mostly) written when 2003 was new. I guess
some of them were published after the service pack (packs?) were issued.

My needs are for use in elementary, but you might find some ideas at a
dormant blog called "Teaching with gadgets" -- in Blogger land -- so it
starts with "blogspot", I think, like blogspot.teachinggadgets.com" or the
like. He is a fourth grade teacher and gave some interesting OneNote ideas
that apply at all ages. I wish he 1. were still writing and 2. provided hiw
e-mail address -- or took comments.

Oh well.

Jonathan

Jonathan

 

[Jonathan]

Rainald,
Here is a Zimmerman link with a comparison of OneNote books: I cannot speak
to its completeness or accuracy. I stumbled on this after answering your post
an hour ago.
http://www.nimblebooks.com/wordpress/2006/03/01/titlez-comparison-of-onenote-books-3/

 

[Kathy Jacobs]

If I can push my own book...
Unleash the Power of OneNote
by Kathy Jacobs and Bill Jelen
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/19...205693/ref=sr_1_4/002-1119766-0397644?ie=UTF8

We took the approach of how to use OneNote in a variety of situations. there
is a chapter on using OneNote in education. We were also the first book out
with SP1 information. Whether the book is updated to OneNote 2007 will
depend on whether there is an audience for the book and when the authors are
available to write it. (We both want to, but it is hard to get OneNote books
in the bookstores. Managers don't know where to shelve it, so people can't
find it.)

--
Kathryn Jacobs, Microsoft MVP PowerPoint and OneNote
Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint - Available now from Holy Macro! Books
Get PowerPoint and OneNote information at www.onppt.com

I believe life is meant to be lived. But:
if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we lived

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Thanks a lot Jonathan!
With the additional info in your other reply I was able to find both.

The address for the second item is:
http://teachinggadgets.blogspot.com/

Really strange that this guide is keeping under disguise ... :-(

Rainald

Jonathan <jonathan7zerozero7(use numbers) at yahew dot usual
domain> shared these words of wisdom:

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Thanks, Jonathan,
order his book as well as Kathy Jacob's.

Rainald

Jonathan <jonathan7zerozero7(use numbers) at yahew dot usual
domain> shared these words of wisdom: