Entourage vs. Apple Mail

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Dan Gaters

(e-mail address removed):
though I don't like monolithic, proprietary DBs

So the vast majority of the world whose data is contained in DBs like Oracle
are plain wrong?

DG
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Michel Bintener said:
First of all, Entourage is more than just an e-mail program, it's a fully
developed PIM software. And because it's one single application, as opposed
to three applications (Mail, Address Book, iCal), your data is much more
interactive. Entourage 2004 also contains the Project Center, a handy
feature that will allow you to organise and share files and data.

If you want to focus on the e-mailing experience itself, Entourage offers a
convenient three pane reading mode which displays the preview pane on the
right to the e-mail list rather than at the bottom, which makes it easier to
read longer e-mails. Also, Entourage (in Office 2004) works closely together
with Word, so you can create a more or less complex document in Word (with
tables etc.) and send that as an HTML e-mail; Entourage therefore allows you
to create more complex e-mails than Mail does. It also gives you more
control over schedules, i.e. it allows you to precise the interval of time
for every single e-mail account to check for new messages etc.

Long story short: Entourage is more customisable than Mail is. If you're
perfectly happy with Mail, and if Spotlight indexing is important to you,
then by all means, stick with Mail. But if you own Office, you've already
paid for Entourage, so you might want to give it a try. Again, it largely
depends on your needs.

It's too bad that Microsoft no longer sells a "stand-alone" version of
Entourage. Paying $400 (for the entire Office suite) for an email
client is kind of out of reach for many people.

I could probably swing $99 (as in the XP version), but $400 is just too
much.
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Kevin O'Hanlon said:
The biggest difference in Mail's favor for me is it's foldering system.
Each element - e-mail, fax, whatever is saved individually within a folder
versus Entourage which is one big inaccessible file. A while back I had a
bad block on my drive on which my db lived and I lost everything because if
the program ca,'t read all of the db, it can't read any of it. Huge deign
flaw in my eyes. With Mail in the future if something like that happened
I'd be able to access the other 99% no problem. That alone was enough for
me to make the change to Mail but since there I absolutely love it. It's
smooth, intuitive, looks great visually, has threading, I can get e-mail
remainders, shared calendars. If you're on a Mac, to me anyway it makes
sense to go with the e-mail client which is superbly designed and constantly
evolving.

Apple Mail is a good application, except for two glaring faults:
1) It's Bayesian filtering takes much too long to train mail as junk.
2) It fails to move what I mark as Junk into the Junk mail folder (or
any folder, for that matter) immediately after I mark it as junk.

I corrected this by installing a haxxie called "JunkWatch".
 
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Tom Stiller

Donald L McDaniel said:
2) It fails to move what I mark as Junk into the Junk mail folder (or
any folder, for that matter) immediately after I mark it as junk.

That's not a Mail bug, but rather something wrong with your installation.
 
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Mike Rosenberg

Donald L McDaniel said:
2) It fails to move what I mark as Junk into the Junk mail folder (or
any folder, for that matter) immediately after I mark it as junk.

I've never seen this problem on any computer with any version of Mail,
so I strongly suspect it's a local issue for you.
 
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Michelle Steiner

Donald L McDaniel said:
It's too bad that Microsoft no longer sells a "stand-alone" version
of Entourage. Paying $400 (for the entire Office suite) for an email
client is kind of out of reach for many people.

Buy the Student Version for $149; it is exactly the same as the full
retail version. The downside is that you can't buy upgrades, but when
the next version comes out, you'd have to pay $149 again for a new
package.
 
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Melba's Jammin'

Steve said:
Why would you want to use MS Entourage over the Apple Mail program?
Doesn't seem to add any functionality not available in Mail, but you
loose iSync functionality and Spotlight searching.

I just got a new iBook and the guy setting it up offered up that the
calendar in Entourage 2004 is part of the app rather than a separate
app, i.e., iCal is a standalone and not part of Mail.
 
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Mike Rosenberg

Michelle Steiner said:
Buy the Student Version for $149; it is exactly the same as the full
retail version. The downside is that you can't buy upgrades, but when
the next version comes out, you'd have to pay $149 again for a new
package.

AND you're actually getting three serial numbers for that price.
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Michelle said:
Buy the Student Version for $149; it is exactly the same as the full
retail version. The downside is that you can't buy upgrades, but when
the next version comes out, you'd have to pay $149 again for a new
package.

Since I am not a student, or parent of a student, or teacher or other
educational user, I don't qualify for the Student and Teachers Edition.
 
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Paul Berkowitz

Since I am not a student, or parent of a student, or teacher or other
educational user, I don't qualify for the Student and Teachers Edition.

During the period when they made Entourage X available as a stand-alone (@
$99), they didn't sell very many - apparently not enough to justify the
separate packaging. (When they sell Word and Excel separately, they charge a
lot more, just $100 less than the full Office price.) If you were at
Macworld SF 2004, they were giving them away free. ;-)

There are so many people who need Word, Excel and/or PowerPoint and get the
whole suite, effectively getting Entourage "for free" that they've reverted
to this format only. I don't think they can justify selling Entourage alone
at a price that makes it economical for them. My understanding is that they
view the Student and Teachers Edition as a sort of "Home Users" edition, but
I guess unless they make that licensing explicit you're sort of stuck. Maybe
they allow "part-time studies" as valid?

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be
ignored.

PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Mike said:
I've never seen this problem on any computer with any version of Mail,
so I strongly suspect it's a local issue for you.

Whether it is a "local issue" or not is kind of irrelevant to me, since
I did not "install" Mail, it was installed when the OS was installed.
I simply set the options I wanted, including having Mail move Junk into
the Junk mail folder.

Anyway, since installing JunkWatcher, I've had no other problems with
this, since JunkWatcher actually works.
 
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mmmmark

Donald L McDaniel said:
Since I am not a student, or parent of a student, or teacher or other
educational user, I don't qualify for the Student and Teachers Edition.


I've been told that you can buy the student/teacher edition off Apple's
education store website without any verification of educational status.

My guess is that Microsoft "looks the other way" in exchange for sales
increases--at least in the Mac Office category.
 
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Mike Rosenberg

Donald L McDaniel said:
Since I am not a student, or parent of a student, or teacher or other
educational user, I don't qualify for the Student and Teachers Edition.

Anyone can buy that edition from any vendor, no proof of affiliation
required.
 
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Nathan Herring [MSFT]

There may not be a policing force that makes sure you're abiding by the
license, but that doesn't mean that you aren't culpable. If you do not
understand the license restrictions, please ask for clarification before
using the software, since by opening the packaging / using the software,
you're legally responsible to adhere to the agreement.

Unfortunately, the UAM has gotten rather complicated, but the differences
between the education version and the standard version are pretty clear.

-nh
 
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Michelle Steiner

Buy the Student Version for $149; it is exactly the same as the
full retail version. The downside is that you can't buy upgrades,
but when the next version comes out, you'd have to pay $149 again
for a new package.

Since I am not a student, or parent of a student, or teacher or other
educational user, I don't qualify for the Student and Teachers
Edition.[/QUOTE]

You walk into the Apple store, take a copy off the shelf, take it to the
register, and pay the money. They don't ask for evidence of eligibility.
 
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Michelle Steiner

Buy the Student Version for $149; it is exactly the same as the
full retail version. The downside is that you can't buy upgrades,
but when the next version comes out, you'd have to pay $149 again
for a new package.

AND you're actually getting three serial numbers for that price.[/QUOTE]

Y'know, I don't buy it even at that price; there's nothing in the MS
Office package that I need or want.
 
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Boettcher, Scott

Michelle, at this point, I must ask - why are you here?
You seem intent on just inciting people with your jabs and flames.
It's not the place for this - we're all here to help or to get help.

SB


AND you're actually getting three serial numbers for that price.

Y'know, I don't buy it even at that price; there's nothing in the MS
Office package that I need or want.[/QUOTE]
 
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Daiya Mitchell

Michelle, at this point, I must ask - why are you here?

This thread is cross-posted, notice, so "here" is also comp.sys.mac.comm for
this thread. She isn't actually hanging out on the Entourage group. :)

DM
 

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