How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?

T

tenable

adding and attaching an external style sheet will display styles I have
created. However, the Style dropdown list only shows 16 standard styles.

I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything else I choose to add.

Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
 
J

Jens Peter Karlsen[FP MVP]

You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to
units like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}

Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the
fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand
it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
D

dirk daring

Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?Sorry, but I don't understand what you are saying. The following external style sheet changes the attributes for <stong> and <em>.

strong { color: #FF00FF; font-weight: bold}
em { color: #FF0000 }

<p>So I asked Bob <strong>about quotations</strong> and he said <cite>I know as much about quotations as I do about pigeon fancying</cite>. Luckily, I found HTML Dog and it said...</p>

<blockquote title="From HTML Dog, http://www.htmldog.com/">
<p>blockquote, q and cite are used for <em>quotations</em>. blockquote is block-line and used for large or citations, whereas q is in-line and used for smaller phrases. cite is also in-line and preferable to q for its semantic nature and possible future deprecation of q.</p>
</blockquote>

You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to units like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}

Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
D

dirk daring

Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?em is both a unit and an element.
You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to units like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}

Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
M

Murray

Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?Right.

You have <em>this</em> and <span style="margin:2em;">this</span>.

I don't know how to do what you want, however.

--
Murray

em is both a unit and an element.
You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to units
like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the
fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
D

dirk daring

Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the FrontPage "Style" drop-downlist that are sorely missing.

http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -

as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.


You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to units like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}

Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
M

Murray

Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?Yes,
you can apply styles to any element.

In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the dropdown list.

--
Murray

What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the FrontPage "Style"
drop-downlist that are sorely missing.

http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -

as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.


You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to units
like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the
fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
D

dirk daring

Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything else that is
non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other standard HTML
element that is not already in the dropdown list in your external style
sheet. They don't appear in the list.

Murray said:
Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?Yes,
you can apply styles to any element.

In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the dropdown list.

--
Murray

What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the FrontPage "Style"
drop-downlist that are sorely missing.

http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -

as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.


You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to units
like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the
fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
Style Drop Down List?
Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
Drop Down List?


adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list only
shows 16 standard styles.

I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything else
I choose to add.

Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
 
M

Murray

They appear in the user defined list. Furthermore, if you are defining a
tag, like em, just use it on the page, and you will see your style
automatically applied.

--
Murray

dirk daring said:
Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything else that is
non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other standard HTML
element that is not already in the dropdown list in your external style
sheet. They don't appear in the list.

Murray said:
Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?Yes,
you can apply styles to any element.

In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the dropdown list.

--
Murray

What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the FrontPage "Style"
drop-downlist that are sorely missing.

http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -

as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.


You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to units
like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the
fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
Style Drop Down List?
Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
Drop Down List?


adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list only
shows 16 standard styles.

I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything else
I choose to add.

Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
 
D

dirk daring

They appear in the user defined list.

How do you see the User Defined List?
Furthermore, if you are defining a tag, like em, just use it on the page,
and you will see your style automatically applied.

What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"


Murray said:
Furthermore, if you are defining a
tag, like em, just use it on the page, and you will see your style
automatically applied.

--
Murray

dirk daring said:
Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything else that is
non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other standard HTML
element that is not already in the dropdown list in your external style
sheet. They don't appear in the list.

Murray said:
Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?Yes,
you can apply styles to any element.

In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the dropdown list.

--
Murray

What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the FrontPage "Style"
drop-downlist that are sorely missing.

http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -

as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.


You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to units
like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify the
fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
Style Drop Down List?
Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
Drop Down List?


adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list only
shows 16 standard styles.

I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything else
I choose to add.

Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
 
M

Murray

How do you see the User Defined List?

FORMAT | Styles > User Defined (see snap)
What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"

Wrap content in the redefined tag with the context selector for the content.
In this case, I redefined the em tag, and then wrapped content with em.

--
Murray

dirk daring said:
They appear in the user defined list.

How do you see the User Defined List?
Furthermore, if you are defining a tag, like em, just use it on the
page,
and you will see your style automatically applied.

What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"


Murray said:
Furthermore, if you are defining a
tag, like em, just use it on the page, and you will see your style
automatically applied.

--
Murray

dirk daring said:
Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything else that is
non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other standard HTML
element that is not already in the dropdown list in your external style
sheet. They don't appear in the list.

Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?Yes,
you can apply styles to any element.

In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the dropdown list.

--
Murray

What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the FrontPage
"Style"
drop-downlist that are sorely missing.

http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -

as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.


You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not to
units
like em.
CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
An example could be:
p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify
the
fontsize.
Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better understand it.
There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
Style Drop Down List?
Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
Drop Down List?


adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list only
shows 16 standard styles.

I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything else
I choose to add.

Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
 
D

Don

???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
(looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)

In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??
But you can (in CSS) apply

em {
background: Blue;
font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
color: White;
}
======================
Because The style is applied to the HTML (tag) <em>

At one time I thought I had it straight in my head but now???

Don
===============
|> How do you see the User Defined List?
|
| FORMAT | Styles > User Defined (see snap)
|
| > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
|
| Wrap content in the redefined tag with the context selector for the
content.
| In this case, I redefined the em tag, and then wrapped content with em.
|
| --
| Murray
|
| | >> They appear in the user defined list.
| >
| > How do you see the User Defined List?
| >
| >> Furthermore, if you are defining a tag, like em, just use it on the
| >> page,
| > and you will see your style automatically applied.
| >
| > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
| >
| >
| > | >> Furthermore, if you are defining a
| >> tag, like em, just use it on the page, and you will see your style
| >> automatically applied.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Murray
| >>
| >> | >> > Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything else
that
| > is
| >> > non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other standard
| > HTML
| >> > element that is not already in the dropdown list in your external
style
| >> > sheet. They don't appear in the list.
| >> >
| >> > | >> >> Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down
| > List?Yes,
| >> >> you can apply styles to any element.
| >> >>
| >> >> In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the dropdown
| > list.
| >> >>
| >> >> --
| >> >> Murray
| >> >>
| >> >> | >> >> What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the FrontPage
| >> > "Style"
| >> >> drop-downlist that are sorely missing.
| >> >>
| >> >> http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -
| >> >>
| >> >> as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >> | >> >> You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly not
to
| >> > units
| >> >> like em.
| >> >> CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
| >> >> An example could be:
| >> >> p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
| >> >> Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to specify
| >> >> the
| >> >> fontsize.
| >> >> Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better
understand
| > it.
| >> >> There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
| >> >> Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| >> >> > -----Original Message-----
| >> >> > From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
| >> >> > Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
| >> >> > Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| >> >> > Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
| >> >> > Style Drop Down List?
| >> >> > Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
| >> >> > Drop Down List?
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >> > adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
| >> >> > styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list only
| >> >> > shows 16 standard styles.
| >> >> >
| >> >> > I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything else
| >> >> > I choose to add.
| >> >> >
| >> >> > Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >>
| >> >
| >> >
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
|
 
J

Jens Peter Karlsen[FP MVP]

In most cases it will look the same in a browser.
However the difference is in the semantic meaning.
Em means emphasis and strong is stronger emphasisis. Screen reading
software for the blind kan take this into acount and adjust the voice
accordingly.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
M

Murray

???? The HTML (tag) said:
AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
(looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)

<strong> and <em> are the SEMANTIC HTML 4.1 tags for <b> and <i>, and have
nothing to do with Dreamweaver (which by the way does not use any
proprietary HTML tags, i.e., tags that are understood only by Dreamweaver).
Their advantage is that they improve ACCESSABILITY characteristics of your
page. A screen reader knows how to *read* a <strong> tag, in the way the
voice sounds. It does not know how to read a said:
In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??

Yes - it is a unit of measurement in CSS and it corresponds to the width of
the "m" character in the browser's current default font face and size. It
is a relative metric, which means that it will expand in dimension as you
change the browser's text settings from SMALLEST to LARGEST, for example.
It is a 'hangover' unit from metal printing press days.

But <em> is also an HTML 4 tag in addition to being used as a font metric.
It would be used <em>like this</em> to provide emphasis to a screen reader's
voice when reading this passage, as opposed to the <i> tag, which is only
read as "i".

In the case of your example,
em {
background: Blue;
font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
color: White;
}

the <em> tag's contents would be rendered by the browser in italics, 1.2
times wider than the "m" character, in "MS Sans Serif" face, and colored
white.

--
Murray

Don said:
???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
(looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)

In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??
But you can (in CSS) apply

em {
background: Blue;
font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
color: White;
}
======================
Because The style is applied to the HTML (tag) <em>

At one time I thought I had it straight in my head but now???

Don
===============
|> How do you see the User Defined List?
|
| FORMAT | Styles > User Defined (see snap)
|
| > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
|
| Wrap content in the redefined tag with the context selector for the
content.
| In this case, I redefined the em tag, and then wrapped content with em.
|
| --
| Murray
|
| | >> They appear in the user defined list.
| >
| > How do you see the User Defined List?
| >
| >> Furthermore, if you are defining a tag, like em, just use it on the
| >> page,
| > and you will see your style automatically applied.
| >
| > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
| >
| >
| > | >> Furthermore, if you are defining a
| >> tag, like em, just use it on the page, and you will see your style
| >> automatically applied.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Murray
| >>
| >> | >> > Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything else
that
| > is
| >> > non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other
standard
| > HTML
| >> > element that is not already in the dropdown list in your external
style
| >> > sheet. They don't appear in the list.
| >> >
| >> > | >> >> Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down
| > List?Yes,
| >> >> you can apply styles to any element.
| >> >>
| >> >> In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the dropdown
| > list.
| >> >>
| >> >> --
| >> >> Murray
| >> >>
| >> >> | >> >> What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the
FrontPage
| >> > "Style"
| >> >> drop-downlist that are sorely missing.
| >> >>
| >> >> http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -
| >> >>
| >> >> as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >> | >> >> You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly
not
to
| >> > units
| >> >> like em.
| >> >> CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
| >> >> An example could be:
| >> >> p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
| >> >> Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to
specify
| >> >> the
| >> >> fontsize.
| >> >> Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better
understand
| > it.
| >> >> There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
| >> >> Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| >> >> > -----Original Message-----
| >> >> > From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
| >> >> > Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
| >> >> > Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| >> >> > Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
| >> >> > Style Drop Down List?
| >> >> > Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
| >> >> > Drop Down List?
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >> > adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
| >> >> > styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list only
| >> >> > shows 16 standard styles.
| >> >> >
| >> >> > I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything else
| >> >> > I choose to add.
| >> >> >
| >> >> > Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >>
| >> >
| >> >
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
|
 
D

Don

Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?

OK, so
when I add that to my styles selector list all I need to declare is
<strong> font=bold and <em> font=italic . (done)
But when listing to it with the reader it seems to know what strong is and
doesn't have a clue as to what to do with em... Might just be my ears...
Ha hahaha

Thanks for your reply

Don
========================
In most cases it will look the same in a browser.
However the difference is in the semantic meaning.
Em means emphasis and strong is stronger emphasisis. Screen reading software
for the blind kan take this into acount and adjust the voice accordingly.
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
 
D

Don

Right!

BTW: (looks like DreamWeaver tags to me)
What I was saying is that <strong> & <em> are available tags in DreamWeaver
without having to add them

Don
====================..
|> ???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
| > AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
| > (looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)
|
| <strong> and <em> are the SEMANTIC HTML 4.1 tags for <b> and <i>, and have
| nothing to do with Dreamweaver (which by the way does not use any
| proprietary HTML tags, i.e., tags that are understood only by
Dreamweaver).
| Their advantage is that they improve ACCESSABILITY characteristics of your
| page. A screen reader knows how to *read* a <strong> tag, in the way the
| voice sounds. It does not know how to read a <b> tag.
|
| > In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??
|
| Yes - it is a unit of measurement in CSS and it corresponds to the width
of
| the "m" character in the browser's current default font face and size. It
| is a relative metric, which means that it will expand in dimension as you
| change the browser's text settings from SMALLEST to LARGEST, for example.
| It is a 'hangover' unit from metal printing press days.
|
| But <em> is also an HTML 4 tag in addition to being used as a font metric.
| It would be used <em>like this</em> to provide emphasis to a screen
reader's
| voice when reading this passage, as opposed to the <i> tag, which is only
| read as "i".
|
| In the case of your example,
|
| > em {
| > background: Blue;
| > font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
| > color: White;
| > }
|
| the <em> tag's contents would be rendered by the browser in italics, 1.2
| times wider than the "m" character, in "MS Sans Serif" face, and colored
| white.
|
| --
| Murray
|
| | > ???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
| > AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
| > (looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)
| >
| > In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??
| > But you can (in CSS) apply
| >
| > em {
| > background: Blue;
| > font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
| > color: White;
| > }
| > ======================
| > Because The style is applied to the HTML (tag) <em>
| >
| > At one time I thought I had it straight in my head but now???
| >
| > Don
| > ===============
| > | > |> How do you see the User Defined List?
| > |
| > | FORMAT | Styles > User Defined (see snap)
| > |
| > | > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
| > |
| > | Wrap content in the redefined tag with the context selector for the
| > content.
| > | In this case, I redefined the em tag, and then wrapped content with
em.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > |
| > | | > | >> They appear in the user defined list.
| > | >
| > | > How do you see the User Defined List?
| > | >
| > | >> Furthermore, if you are defining a tag, like em, just use it on
the
| > | >> page,
| > | > and you will see your style automatically applied.
| > | >
| > | > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> Furthermore, if you are defining a
| > | >> tag, like em, just use it on the page, and you will see your style
| > | >> automatically applied.
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Murray
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >> > Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything
else
| > that
| > | > is
| > | >> > non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other
| > standard
| > | > HTML
| > | >> > element that is not already in the dropdown list in your external
| > style
| > | >> > sheet. They don't appear in the list.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > | > | >> >> Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down
| > | > List?Yes,
| > | >> >> you can apply styles to any element.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the
dropdown
| > | > list.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> --
| > | >> >> Murray
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> | > | >> >> What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the
| > FrontPage
| > | >> > "Style"
| > | >> >> drop-downlist that are sorely missing.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >>
message
| > | >> >> | > | >> >> You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and certainly
| > not
| > to
| > | >> > units
| > | >> >> like em.
| > | >> >> CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
| > | >> >> An example could be:
| > | >> >> p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size: 1.2em}
| > | >> >> Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to
| > specify
| > | >> >> the
| > | >> >> fontsize.
| > | >> >> Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better
| > understand
| > | > it.
| > | >> >> There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
| > | >> >> Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| > | >> >> > -----Original Message-----
| > | >> >> > From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
| > | >> >> > Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
| > | >> >> > Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| > | >> >> > Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
| > | >> >> > Style Drop Down List?
| > | >> >> > Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
| > | >> >> > Drop Down List?
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
| > | >> >> > styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list only
| > | >> >> > shows 16 standard styles.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything else
| > | >> >> > I choose to add.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >
| > | >> >
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
M

Murray

Don:

Yes - that's right. It is a Dreamweaver preference setting to use <strong>
and <em> rather than <b> and <i>. In fact, this is a little annoying in the
case that you actually want to use both, but c'est la vie, doncha know....

--
Murray

Don said:
Right!

BTW: (looks like DreamWeaver tags to me)
What I was saying is that <strong> & <em> are available tags in
DreamWeaver
without having to add them

Don
====================..
|> ???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
| > AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
| > (looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)
|
| <strong> and <em> are the SEMANTIC HTML 4.1 tags for <b> and <i>, and
have
| nothing to do with Dreamweaver (which by the way does not use any
| proprietary HTML tags, i.e., tags that are understood only by
Dreamweaver).
| Their advantage is that they improve ACCESSABILITY characteristics of
your
| page. A screen reader knows how to *read* a <strong> tag, in the way
the
| voice sounds. It does not know how to read a <b> tag.
|
| > In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??
|
| Yes - it is a unit of measurement in CSS and it corresponds to the width
of
| the "m" character in the browser's current default font face and size.
It
| is a relative metric, which means that it will expand in dimension as
you
| change the browser's text settings from SMALLEST to LARGEST, for
example.
| It is a 'hangover' unit from metal printing press days.
|
| But <em> is also an HTML 4 tag in addition to being used as a font
metric.
| It would be used <em>like this</em> to provide emphasis to a screen
reader's
| voice when reading this passage, as opposed to the <i> tag, which is
only
| read as "i".
|
| In the case of your example,
|
| > em {
| > background: Blue;
| > font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
| > color: White;
| > }
|
| the <em> tag's contents would be rendered by the browser in italics, 1.2
| times wider than the "m" character, in "MS Sans Serif" face, and colored
| white.
|
| --
| Murray
|
| | > ???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
| > AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
| > (looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)
| >
| > In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??
| > But you can (in CSS) apply
| >
| > em {
| > background: Blue;
| > font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
| > color: White;
| > }
| > ======================
| > Because The style is applied to the HTML (tag) <em>
| >
| > At one time I thought I had it straight in my head but now???
| >
| > Don
| > ===============
| > | > |> How do you see the User Defined List?
| > |
| > | FORMAT | Styles > User Defined (see snap)
| > |
| > | > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
| > |
| > | Wrap content in the redefined tag with the context selector for the
| > content.
| > | In this case, I redefined the em tag, and then wrapped content with
em.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > |
| > | | > | >> They appear in the user defined list.
| > | >
| > | > How do you see the User Defined List?
| > | >
| > | >> Furthermore, if you are defining a tag, like em, just use it on
the
| > | >> page,
| > | > and you will see your style automatically applied.
| > | >
| > | > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> Furthermore, if you are defining a
| > | >> tag, like em, just use it on the page, and you will see your
style
| > | >> automatically applied.
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Murray
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >> > Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything
else
| > that
| > | > is
| > | >> > non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other
| > standard
| > | > HTML
| > | >> > element that is not already in the dropdown list in your
external
| > style
| > | >> > sheet. They don't appear in the list.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > | > | >> >> Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop
Down
| > | > List?Yes,
| > | >> >> you can apply styles to any element.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the
dropdown
| > | > list.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> --
| > | >> >> Murray
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> | > | >> >> What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the
| > FrontPage
| > | >> > "Style"
| > | >> >> drop-downlist that are sorely missing.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >>
message
| > | >> >> | > | >> >> You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and
certainly
| > not
| > to
| > | >> > units
| > | >> >> like em.
| > | >> >> CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
| > | >> >> An example could be:
| > | >> >> p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size:
1.2em}
| > | >> >> Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to
| > specify
| > | >> >> the
| > | >> >> fontsize.
| > | >> >> Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better
| > understand
| > | > it.
| > | >> >> There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
| > | >> >> Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| > | >> >> > -----Original Message-----
| > | >> >> > From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
| > | >> >> > Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
| > | >> >> > Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| > | >> >> > Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
| > | >> >> > Style Drop Down List?
| > | >> >> > Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
| > | >> >> > Drop Down List?
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
| > | >> >> > styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list
only
| > | >> >> > shows 16 standard styles.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything
else
| > | >> >> > I choose to add.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >
| > | >> >
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
J

Jens Peter Karlsen[FP MVP]

I don't know what screen reader software you use, so I can't say what it
will do when it encounters <strong> or <em> tags. In your case it sounds
like (from your description) that emphasis is only added to <strong> and
not to <em>. Perhaps there is a setting in your software to specify how
much emphasis should be added when each of these tags are encountered.
What font you choose to use will have no effect on a screen reader.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 3. oktober 2004 16:17
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
Style Drop Down List?
Subject: Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
Style Drop Down List?


Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?

OK, so
when I add that to my styles selector list all I need to
declare is <strong> font=bold and <em> font=italic . (done)
But when listing to it with the reader it seems to know what
strong is and doesn't have a clue as to what to do with em...
Might just be my ears...
Ha hahaha

Thanks for your reply

Don
========================
message In most cases it will look the same in a browser.
However the difference is in the semantic meaning.
Em means emphasis and strong is stronger emphasisis. Screen
reading software for the blind kan take this into acount and
adjust the voice accordingly.
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 3. oktober 2004 02:37
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop
Down List?
Subject: Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop
Down List?


???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
(looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)
 
D

dirk daring

Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?I would like to clarify as best as I can.

In FrontPage, there is a drop-down list - http://www.aprisonforyourmind.com/FrontPageIssues/

that only contains a few of the many HTML elements that can be applied.

Do you know how to add any of the other HTML elements to this list?



I don't know what screen reader software you use, so I can't say what it will do when it encounters <strong> or <em> tags. In your case it sounds like (from your description) that emphasis is only added to <strong> and not to <em>. Perhaps there is a setting in your software to specify how much emphasis should be added when each of these tags are encountered.

What font you choose to use will have no effect on a screen reader.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 3. oktober 2004 16:17
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
Style Drop Down List?
Subject: Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
Style Drop Down List?


Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop Down List?

OK, so
when I add that to my styles selector list all I need to
declare is <strong> font=bold and <em> font=italic . (done)
But when listing to it with the reader it seems to know what
strong is and doesn't have a clue as to what to do with em...
Might just be my ears...
Ha hahaha

Thanks for your reply

Don
========================
message
In most cases it will look the same in a browser.
However the difference is in the semantic meaning.
Em means emphasis and strong is stronger emphasisis. Screen
reading software for the blind kan take this into acount and
adjust the voice accordingly.
Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don [mailto:D[email protected]]
Posted At: 3. oktober 2004 02:37
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop
Down List?
Subject: Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop
Down List?


???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
(looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)
 
D

dirk daring

I would like to clarify as best as I can.

In FrontPage, there is a drop-down list -
http://www.aprisonforyourmind.com/FrontPageIssues/

that only contains a few of the many HTML elements that can be applied.

Do you know how to add any of the other HTML elements to this list?


Murray said:
Don:

Yes - that's right. It is a Dreamweaver preference setting to use
and <em> rather than <b> and <i>. In fact, this is a little annoying in the
case that you actually want to use both, but c'est la vie, doncha know....

--
Murray

Don said:
Right!

BTW: (looks like DreamWeaver tags to me)
What I was saying is that <strong> & <em> are available tags in
DreamWeaver
without having to add them

Don
====================..
|> ???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
| > AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
| > (looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)
|
| <strong> and <em> are the SEMANTIC HTML 4.1 tags for <b> and <i>, and
have
| nothing to do with Dreamweaver (which by the way does not use any
| proprietary HTML tags, i.e., tags that are understood only by
Dreamweaver).
| Their advantage is that they improve ACCESSABILITY characteristics of
your
| page. A screen reader knows how to *read* a <strong> tag, in the way
the
| voice sounds. It does not know how to read a <b> tag.
|
| > In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??
|
| Yes - it is a unit of measurement in CSS and it corresponds to the width
of
| the "m" character in the browser's current default font face and size.
It
| is a relative metric, which means that it will expand in dimension as
you
| change the browser's text settings from SMALLEST to LARGEST, for
example.
| It is a 'hangover' unit from metal printing press days.
|
| But <em> is also an HTML 4 tag in addition to being used as a font
metric.
| It would be used <em>like this</em> to provide emphasis to a screen
reader's
| voice when reading this passage, as opposed to the <i> tag, which is
only
| read as "i".
|
| In the case of your example,
|
| > em {
| > background: Blue;
| > font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
| > color: White;
| > }
|
| the <em> tag's contents would be rendered by the browser in italics, 1.2
| times wider than the "m" character, in "MS Sans Serif" face, and colored
| white.
|
| --
| Murray
|
| | > ???? The HTML (tag) <strong> is somewhat = to <b> ????
| > AND the HTML <em> is somewhat = to <i>????
| > (looks like Dreamweaver tags to me)
| >
| > In CSS isn't em a unit of measurement??
| > But you can (in CSS) apply
| >
| > em {
| > background: Blue;
| > font: italic 1.2em "MS Sans Serif", Geneva, sans-serif;
| > color: White;
| > }
| > ======================
| > Because The style is applied to the HTML (tag) <em>
| >
| > At one time I thought I had it straight in my head but now???
| >
| > Don
| > ===============
| > | > |> How do you see the User Defined List?
| > |
| > | FORMAT | Styles > User Defined (see snap)
| > |
| > | > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
| > |
| > | Wrap content in the redefined tag with the context selector for the
| > content.
| > | In this case, I redefined the em tag, and then wrapped content with
em.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > |
| > | | > | >> They appear in the user defined list.
| > | >
| > | > How do you see the User Defined List?
| > | >
| > | >> Furthermore, if you are defining a tag, like em, just use it on
the
| > | >> page,
| > | > and you will see your style automatically applied.
| > | >
| > | > What steps are you taking to "just use it on the page?"
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | >> Furthermore, if you are defining a
| > | >> tag, like em, just use it on the page, and you will see your
style
| > | >> automatically applied.
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Murray
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >> > Certainly you can define custom styles like .menu or anything
else
| > that
| > | > is
| > | >> > non-standard, but try to define <em>, <strong> or any other
| > standard
| > | > HTML
| > | >> > element that is not already in the dropdown list in your
external
| > style
| > | >> > sheet. They don't appear in the list.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > | > | >> >> Re: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style Drop
Down
| > | > List?Yes,
| > | >> >> you can apply styles to any element.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> In FP2003, I can define styles that will be listed in the
dropdown
| > | > list.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> --
| > | >> >> Murray
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> | > | >> >> What I would like to do is add the elements I want to the
| > FrontPage
| > | >> > "Style"
| > | >> >> drop-downlist that are sorely missing.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> http://www.htmldog.com/reference/htmltags/ -
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> as far as I understand, you can apply styles to any element.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >>
message
| > | >> >> | > | >> >> You can't attach styles to attributes like strong and
certainly
| > not
| > to
| > | >> > units
| > | >> >> like em.
| > | >> >> CSS would be used to replace the former but uses the latter.
| > | >> >> An example could be:
| > | >> >> p {font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bolder; font-size:
1.2em}
| > | >> >> Where font-weight: bolder replaces strong and em is used to
| > specify
| > | >> >> the
| > | >> >> fontsize.
| > | >> >> Perhaps you should look at a tutorial in CSS so you better
| > understand
| > | > it.
| > | >> >> There is one available here: http://echoecho.com/
| > | >> >> Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
| > | >> >> > -----Original Message-----
| > | >> >> > From: tenable [mailto:[email protected]]
| > | >> >> > Posted At: 2. oktober 2004 21:47
| > | >> >> > Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
| > | >> >> > Conversation: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the
| > | >> >> > Style Drop Down List?
| > | >> >> > Subject: How can I add standard HTML Elements to the Style
| > | >> >> > Drop Down List?
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > adding and attaching an external style sheet will display
| > | >> >> > styles I have created. However, the Style dropdown list
only
| > | >> >> > shows 16 standard styles.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > I want to be able to apply "em" or "strong" and anything
else
| > | >> >> > I choose to add.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > Anyone know how to add to this dropdownlist?
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >
| > | >> >
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 

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