iCal sync does not work in Entourage 2008

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Hopefully the 12.0.1 update will fix some
of these.
Here is what Microsoft says at <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/948057>

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• Improvements for Microsoft Entourage 2008 for Mac

• Stability is improved when synchronizing data with devices and other applications.
This update fixes an issue that causes the Sync Services component to quit unexpectedly while synchronizing calendar and contact information to iCal, to Address Book and to mobile devices that are connected through iSync or iTunes.
 
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Kerry

Hardly. I use them constantly, and have been for some time now. Twitchy,
yes, broken, no. However, there are issues with both Sync Services and
E'rage that you have to deal with. Hopefully the 12.0.1 update will fix some
of these.

The Caveats:

Not every application deals with the same data in the same way. This is both
good and bad, but keep that in mind, because it means Sync Services will
always be imperfect on some level.

Multiday tasks are a problem on the Sync Services end. This is a known issue
from Apple. As to when it gets fixed, who knows, but since this has been a
problem since Mac OS X 10.4, we'll assume it's not a simple fix. Things that
are truly simple fixes tend to get, well, fixed.

Because Address Book assumes iChat, and E'rage assumes Messenger, don't
assume that setting chat IDs in one carries over. It doesn't. This means
that people who only exist as iChat buddies will show up in E'rage as
entries with a name and nothing else. That's not "broken" in the technical
sense, but in the human sense it's lame. I completely agree that E'rage not
talking to the iChat presence frameworks in Mac OS X, and pretending that
iChat doesn't exist is really, really lame. However, that doesn't change the
reality of the current situation. If you are going to manage iChat buddies,
ONLY do that in Address Book.

Another Address Book <=> E'rage issue are middle names. Entourage knows
about them, but can't display them. Address Book knows about them and can
display them. This can and does cause a lot of frustration, because it's
kinda dumb, but again, it is what it is for now.

iCal items with  categories can get duplicated. Not all the time, and you
can eventually, with some patience, make it stop. But it can take a bit to
get it sorted out.

I can't speak to the fixes in 12.0.1, but thus far, using sync services with
Exchange accounts == teh suck. Since I keep my contacts separate, that
aspect doesn't bother me. For events, I just drage them from my exchange
calendar to my local, and then they get put into sync services, and make it
onto my iPhone et al. A manual process, but it has thus far been quite
reliable.

When you start, pick a "source" and a "destination". Regardless of which
direction, for the initial sync, "Source" ALWAYS overwrites "destination".
In my case, for notes, E'rage was the source. Contacts, Address Book was the
source, since I never use Messenger. For calendaring, E'rage was the source.

The initial syncs can take a long time, and a lot of CPU. Be patient.

When you have calendaring conflicts, my algorithm is first, let iCal always
win. If you still have conflicts, then let Entourage win. If Sync Services
is one of the options, then Sync Services trumps either. So the order of
operations: Sync Services => iCal => Entourage.

For contact conflicts, I actually found it easier to just edit the problem
conflicts in either AB or E'rage and then let that win.

The procedures:

1) Enable syncing one item at a time. My path was notes, then calendaring,
then contacts. I enabled notes sync, then waited for a day or two. Any
duplicates, I took care of, and made sure things had calmed down. I then
enabled calendar / task syncing, and again, waited, took care of conflicts..
The same thing for contacts. Do backup your data before enableing a sync.
Really. I'm not kidding. Back up.

2) Sometimes, either Microsoft or Apple's syncing loses its pretty little
mind and won't do anything. I find starting Address Book and/or iCal while
E'rage is running can help here.

3) .Mac is an ADDITIONAL fun time here. Which I won't get into, this is long
enough.

4) Keep in mind that *again* not everything deals with the same data in the
same way. Just because an item has the same name in different applications,
that doesn't mean that it works the same.

So, yes, Sync Services is not as good as it can or should be, but it is in
fact usable, and long term, will solve FAR more problems than application -
specific conduits ever will. Looking at all of this, it looks like a lot,
but in practice, it wasn't nearly as involved as it looks. Proceed
cautiously, with good backups, (if you have 2008, do a DB rebuild, all you
lose is time and bad data, and starting with both sides as clean as possible
is a HUGE help), and sync services works rather well.

I agree with some of the points you are making but overall Entourage
with sync services is unreliable and has not been fixed in the update
12.0.1:

So I've tested 12.0.1 and sync to see if the same issues (mainly dups)
remain. They do. If you create a task and it sync's to iCal and then
you change anything in the iCal task, the new information will sync
back to Entourage but as a new item. The original item will be there
with the original info and the new item will have the new information.
Deleting the original item will have no effect in iCal but also
deleting the new item in Entourage will not delete the item in iCal.

Additionally, now if you scan your calendar, all all day entries a
couple months back in the calendar to the building will be duplicated.
This happened before the upgrade. To test whether this occurred as a
result of the dup of the task, I restored my backup iCal and my backup
of the Entourage main identity and both calendars were correct,
without the dups (made sure I had turned sync off before reverting).
So the dup that is created in Entourage for some reasons affects all
day events and they then get dup'd in entourage and iCal.

To avoid this, I found that if I made any changes after creating a
calendar event, the only safe way of adding or changing information
was to do it in Entourage. This replicates fine to iCal and then to
the Palm. However, if you change or add any information on the Palm or
in iCal, you inevitably get a duplicated record in iCal (as above) and
then the calendar's all day events for some reason dup.

This behavior is specific to iCal and does not happen if Entourage
sync is turned off and you just use iCal. Problems do turn up in this
scenario also, a problem with Apple's sync services, but Entourage
adds a different layer of issues.
 
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jwravin

Anyone else notice that if you check the about in each of the apps, all but Entourage says 12.0.1 Entourage still states 12.0.0 Did it actually update??? Maybe this is why it seems to not have fixed anything with syncing!
 
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Cvilledave

Anyone else notice that if you check the about in each of the apps, all but Entourage says 12.0.1 Entourage still states 12.0.0 Did it actually update??? Maybe this is why it seems to not have fixed anything with syncing!

I updated to the latest release, and the about box for Entourage says I'm running Version 12.0.1. Maybe your update didn't complete?
 
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Diane Ross

Thanks for the info about SuperDuper. It certainly sounds like something to
consider, but is it necessary when one has TimeMachine? (I do use Time Machine
to backup but haven't figured out how to use it to "go back" yet.)

This is my comparison of SuperDuper to Time Machine.

SuperDuper = fix for OMG
Time Machine = fix for an ooops

See these articles for help backing up Entourage. The Entourage database is
not something you want to have Time Machine backup. Fist they are huge and
will fill up your drive when done hourly and if the database is in use when
backed up the file could be corrupted.

Entourage and Time Machine (creates chronological backup of Identity can be
used by both Tiger and Leopard)

<http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2008/01/entourage_and_time_machine.html>

Alternative method to use Entourage and Time Machine (does a once a day or
whatever time period you select)

<http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2008/01/alternative_method_to_use_entourage_
and_time_machine.html>
 
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jwravin

Thank you Diane, I followed the instructions from your above post and all is well now with my install. Sync is still broken in regards to Calendar items not getting to Entourage when i add them to my iPhone, but I guess that may get resolved once either Apple or Microsoft stops pointing the finger at each other and maybe looks to try and fix it. Who knows.
 
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Charles_H._Green

What a mess.

Honestly, isn't Mac the one that advertises "it just works"?

Here's what I've found out, spending absurd hours after having bought a new MacBook Air and Parallels, hoping to continue using Outlook, the one big missing program (IMHO, Entourage is a weak second cousin).

Problem 1: my blackberry just flat out won't sync to an emulated disk. No work around. It's a physics thing. Oops, didn't see that coming.

OK, forget Parallels, back to Entourage, and how to make it work.

I'm assured by the Mac store that I can sync using PocketMac. Well it didn't work for me.

Try Missing Sync. All kinds of passes later, it doesn't work.

I call Blackberry itself, who won't talk to me until I uninstall Missing Sync and reinstall PocketMac and send the error report. I do that. They say, oh, we don't support Entourage 2008 yet. Don't know when. Call the PocketMac people.

I do, they claim it works, send me instructions. Same instructions as before, doesn't work, just as before.

Try Missing Sync again, doesnt' work any better either.

I'm ready to throw in the towel, particularly after Pogue's article, and just give in to the iPhone.

Except, after a blinding insight, I decide to check the website and see if Entourage will sync with the iPhone.

Guess what. Yup. It just advertises syncing with Entourage 2004. I write them for clarification. No answer.

This from the "it just works" people? Don't waste time blaming the Evil Empire, you bought it from them and took my money--just make it work!

You want an object example of why all those corporate folks are walking around using blackberries and Outlook? Look no further than the facts that Entourage plus Time Machine means saving 5GB every hour, that the MacBook Air's only solution to Outlook + Blackberry is to sync with Calendar and Mail separately--and so it goes.

Great products all, I love Apple. I'm even willing to put up with forced one-source buying for the sake of integration. But only if you give me integration!

(Grumble grouse gripe)
 
A

Art Shotwell

Well, About the iPhone. I don't have one, but I'm tempted because I notice
my iPod picked up everything from Entourage 2008 just fine. Of course,
that's one way. I don't know if it works the other way.
 
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Jesse David Hollington

I can confirm that both contacts and address book entries are syncing just
fine with my iPhone in both directions via Sync Services and iTunes. This is
something that was fixed with 12.0.1 (the latest update) to be fair, and in
12.0.0 was just far too buggy to even think of using it.

Of course, in June when Exchange ActiveSync becomes available for the
iPhone, this should become even more transparent.

This is essentially the problem with the Blackberry, IMHO... I've supported
many corporate environments who use Blackberry devices, and while it's a
fantastic device for somebody with an Exchange server on the back-end, it's
really NOT very good as a standalone device even at the best of times. If
you *do* have an Exchange server on the back-end, you shouldn't need to
worry about a cabled sync for the most part, as your data will be pushed
wireless from your Exchange server via the Blackberry Enterprise Server. If
you don't, then you should probably give up the Blackberry and look at
something else, since even IMAP-based e-mail (via BIS) on the Blackberry is
really weak compared to most other smartphone solutions out there.

The only real limitation to using a Blackberry with Entourage is that you
won't get tasks or notes without a cabled sync, since Entourage *STILL*
doesn't sync them to the Exchange server (sigh).
 
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HUGO Alberto Rodriguez Robles

All what I want it is sync my palm with calendar in entourage in a way that i can see my week ahead.... its funny that I could not make it, for some reason Entourage sees to be more complicated that ical, yep,,one more time Microsoft has my nights thinking how to do it :worried: :worried: :worried:
 
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Alain

Another iCal-Exchange problem that I haven't seen in the thread (sorry if I missed it, it is quite long!)
Syncing Entourage and iCal Works absolutely perfectly for me, EXCEPT that when I erase an appointment from Entourage, it is not erased in iCal. However a change of schedule for an event in Entourage induces the corresponding modification in iCal. Moreover, if I erase an event from iCal, this is correctly synced to Exchange(i;e; it is erased in Exchange)

To summarize, erasing an event in Entourage is not synced to iCal, everything else syncs perfectly.

Any hints?
Thank you for your help
 
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Diane Ross

Syncing Entourage and iCal Works absolutely perfectly for me, EXCEPT that when
I erase an appointment from Entourage, it is not erased in iCal. However a
change of schedule for an event in Entourage induces the corresponding
modification in iCal. Moreover, if I erase an event from iCal, this is
correctly synced to Exchange(i;e; it is erased in Exchange)

To summarize, erasing an event in Entourage is not synced to iCal, everything
else syncs perfectly.

Sounds like this bug "calendar events don't show up
in iCal" reported here:

<http://tinyurl.com/36fs5m>
<quote>
As promised by Apple, 10.5.2 fixes the notorious Leopard iCal bug
present in 10.5 and 10.5.1. Unfortunately that bug was replaced by a
new bug with nearly identical symptoms: calendar events don't show up
in iCal. I've reported this to Apple and they responded that it's a
known bug that they're working on. Of course, they weren't able to
provide a time frame for a fix. As with the last bug, this procedure
can provide temporary relief and cause the events to show up in iCal
immediately:
* Quit out of iCal if it's open
* Delete this file:
~/Library/Calendars/Calendar Cache
(~ refers to your home directory.)
* Open iCal
* Wait a minute or two until it finishes "Upgrading Calendars"
Unfortunately it doesn't work for everyone. YMMV.
</quote>
 
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Dr. Kalei Campbell

Yes, it will sync fine. I have an iPhone, synced it first with Outlook, then Apple Mail, and now Entourage.


On 1/16/08 1:01 PM, in article [email protected]9absDaxw, "Brent" &lt;Brent&gt; wrote:

Will Entourage 2008 sync with iPhone? I have synced my iPhone with Outlook, but would like to work on the Mac side. Thanks!

Entourage 08 does not sync with the iPhone. It stopped when I upgraded from Office 2004. Latest Office 2008 update doesn't fix the problem.
 
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Alain Beretz

On 3/23/08 10:01 16AM, in article [email protected]9absDaxw,
:

&gt; Syncing Entourage and iCal Works absolutely perfectly for me, EXCEPT that when
&gt; I erase an appointment from Entourage, it is not erased in iCal. However a
&gt; change of schedule for an event in Entourage induces the corresponding
&gt; modification in iCal. Moreover, if I erase an event from iCal, this is
&gt; correctly synced to Exchange(i;e; it is erased in Exchange)
&gt;
&gt; To summarize, erasing an event in Entourage is not synced to iCal, everything
&gt; else syncs perfectly.

Sounds like this bug "calendar events don't show up
in iCal" reported here:



As promised by Apple, 10.5.2 fixes the notorious Leopard iCal bug
present in 10.5 and 10.5.1. Unfortunately that bug was replaced by a
new bug with nearly identical symptoms: calendar events don't show up
in iCal. I've reported this to Apple and they responded that it's a
known bug that they're working on. Of course, they weren't able to
provide a time frame for a fix. As with the last bug, this procedure
can provide temporary relief and cause the events to show up in iCal
immediately:
* Quit out of iCal if it's open
* Delete this file:
~/Library/Calendars/Calendar Cache
(~ refers to your home directory.)
* Open iCal
* Wait a minute or two until it finishes "Upgrading Calendars"
Unfortunately it doesn't work for everyone. YMMV.
Thank you Diane

I have tried erasing ~/Library/Calendars/Calendar Cache
It has generated duplicates which I got rid off, but unfortunately it hasn't solved the problem. I guess I have to wait for Apple to fix their bugs!
Thanks for your help

Alain
 
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Alain Beretz

&gt; On 3/23/08 10:01 16AM, in article [email protected]9absDaxw,
&gt; "[email protected]" wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Syncing Entourage and iCal Works absolutely perfectly for me, EXCEPT that when
&gt; &gt; I erase an appointment from Entourage, it is not erased in iCal. However a
&gt; &gt; change of schedule for an event in Entourage induces the corresponding
&gt; &gt; modification in iCal. Moreover, if I erase an event from iCal, this is
&gt; &gt; correctly synced to Exchange(i;e; it is erased in Exchange)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; To summarize, erasing an event in Entourage is not synced to iCal, everything
&gt; &gt; else syncs perfectly.
&gt;
&gt; Sounds like this bug "calendar events don't show up
&gt; in iCal" reported here:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; As promised by Apple, 10.5.2 fixes the notorious Leopard iCal bug
&gt; present in 10.5 and 10.5.1. Unfortunately that bug was replaced by a
&gt; new bug with nearly identical symptoms: calendar events don't show up
&gt; in iCal. I've reported this to Apple and they responded that it's a
&gt; known bug that they're working on. Of course, they weren't able to
&gt; provide a time frame for a fix. As with the last bug, this procedure
&gt; can provide temporary relief and cause the events to show up in iCal
&gt; immediately:
&gt; * Quit out of iCal if it's open
&gt; * Delete this file:
&gt; ~/Library/Calendars/Calendar Cache
&gt; (~ refers to your home directory.)
&gt; * Open iCal
&gt; * Wait a minute or two until it finishes "Upgrading Calendars"
&gt; Unfortunately it doesn't work for everyone. YMMV.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Diane, Microsoft Mac MVP (MVPs are not Microsoft Employees)
&gt; Entourage Help Page
&gt; Entourage Help Blog
&gt;
&gt;
Thank you Diane

I have tried erasing ~/Library/Calendars/Calendar Cache
It has generated duplicates which I got rid off, but unfortunately it hasn't solved the problem. I guess I have to wait for Apple to fix their bugs!
Thanks for your help

Alain

Addendum
Now it seems to work...mystery !!
:)

Alain
 
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Walter T

Greetings. I get duplicates (in both Entourage 2008 and iCal) when using the "merge" option in Sync Services. This is so annoying.

Also, this one time, Sync Services quit on me and I found the entire calendar empty (again in both Entourage and iCal), had to recover from Time Machine.
 
K

Kristen Harris

Solution!

Not sure if others have tried this, but I just discovered PocketMac this weekend. They have a version built for Entourage 2008, it basically "syncs" Entourage to iCal and Address Book. Then you use iSync to sync to your device (phone in my case).

Really it does what Entourage theoretically has built in, but I could never get it working until I used this. No connection or anything, just wanted to let others know something that worked for me!
 
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JOHN W. Condon

I can't sync my iCal calendar at all in 2008. I have sync turned in preferences. It does not show me any options to choose which calendar to sync. Same on my Macbook. The address book does sync even though that doesn't show up to.
I have tried creating a new identity and I get the same thing.
At the moment this is unusable.

I somehow in some mysterious way after many many tries had Entourage synced to iCal but of course in some way that ended. I ended up with hundreds of identical entries and finally ended up taking days to delete these entries as they were slowing my Mac to a crawl. Once i did that i closed Entourage and have never opened it up again. I use iCal exclusively now which syncs with my iPhone and the 10.5 OS has improved iCal and the syncing functions so that the few advantages that Entourage had are gone. I came here to see if Office 2008 had anything to offer since they have had years to make it work and found that I would be insane to buy Office 2008 anticipating the use of Entourage. I am happy and at peace. FIRST RULE OF THUMB - AVOID IF AT ALL POSSIBLE THE USE OF MICROSOFT PRODUCTS.
 
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Kerry

I somehow in some mysterious way after many many tries had Entourage synced to iCal but of course in some way that ended. I ended up with hundreds of identical entries and finally ended up taking days to delete these entries as they were slowing my Mac to a crawl. Once i did that i closed Entourage and have never opened it up again. I use iCal exclusively now which syncs withmy iPhone and the 10.5 OS has improved iCal and the syncing functions so that the few advantages that Entourage had are gone. I came here to see if Office 2008 had anything to offer since they have had years to make it work andfound that I would be insane to buy Office 2008 anticipating the use of Entourage. I am happy and at peace. FIRST RULE OF THUMB - AVOID IF AT ALL POSSIBLE THE USE OF MICROSOFT PRODUCTS.

As far as I know Microsoft is working on a fix but who knows when it
will be fully fixed. I found a workaround that works (see posts).
 
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