Is the Professional Look Really Better?

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William Tasso

Jim said:
I'm sure there are some "look at me" bumper-sticker-toting fools who get
their jollies spoofing their user agent string. The only purpose it serves
it to screw with their own browsing experience, so you have to wonder at the
intelligence of such actions... or the lack thereof.
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hmmm - the point is that header spoofing is used in browsers to counter
the browser sniffing and consequent "please upgrade your browser to use
this site" message which although well-intentioned is misguided in that
it places unnecessary barriers in the path of effective communication.

A quick check reveals that the Opera browser loaded on this workstation
(Win2k3) is set by default to identify itself as IE6. There are a
further 4 identities, only one of which is 'Identify as Opera'.
 
S

Stephen Horrillo

Hmmm...this guy's site proves you don't have to use FP to look amateur.

Tom

| > Maybe you don't want your site to look the same as 4,239,488 others?
| >
|
| The evidence seems to be that is likely to be a minority position.
Sadly.
|
| --
| eric
| www.ericjarvis.co.uk
| "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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That's sort of what I've been thinking. I've been looking at the sites of
these experts and their sites look really crude. I'm beginning to wonder if
these people aren't living in their own little world.

--
Warmest regards,

Stephen Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
For MLS & Computer Training: www.BrokerAgentTraining.com
Realtors Earn Over 100% at EXIT: www.over100percent.com
 
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Stephen Horrillo

ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
a fantastic convenience for site owners.
http://contentseed.com/
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IMO there's nothing that renders a site unprofessional as including head
shot of themselves on the site. I deal with this all the time with Realtors.
Don't they realize that showing a close-up of their scary-ass mutant Charles
Manson mug isn't going to help matters? Then the female half of the
population insist on posting up their high school photo taken long before
gravity, four children and tree divorces has taken it's toll. Isn't that
false advertising? :)

--
Warmest regards,

Stephen Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
For MLS & Computer Training: www.BrokerAgentTraining.com
Realtors Earn Over 100% at EXIT: www.over100percent.com
 
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CarolW.

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:22:21 GMT, "Stephen Horrillo"

[snip]
Then emale half of the
population insist on posting up their high school photo taken long before
gravity, four children and tree divorces
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*ahem*
That was back in my Druid, not high school, days ...

Carol
 
J

Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)

Stephen said:
IMO there's nothing that renders a site unprofessional as including
head shot of themselves on the site. I deal with this all the time
with Realtors. Don't they realize that showing a close-up of their
scary-ass mutant Charles Manson mug isn't going to help matters? Then
the female half of the population insist on posting up their high
school photo taken long before gravity, four children and tree
divorces has taken it's toll. Isn't that false advertising? :)
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How about if you alt.www.webmaster guys snip the FrontPage forum from your
posts and we'll do the same from this end. That way we can all happily
exist in our own corner of the Internet.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

Now offering templates ranging from
affordable standard templates to
powerful e-commerce applications!
 
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GreyWyvern

Believe it or not I've never been able to get into the adobe studio site
with internet explorer. I can only get in with firefox and the link.
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Please stop replying to posts upside down. Nobody knows what the hell
you're talking about.

Grey
 
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GreyWyvern

How about if you alt.www.webmaster guys snip the FrontPage forum from
your
posts and we'll do the same from this end. That way we can all happily
exist in our own corner of the Internet.
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Oh Jim Jim Jimmy Jim Jim Jimmy Jim Jim Jim...

That would just be too easy.

Grey
 
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Windsun

Or.. how about checking if you even CARE about Mozilla or other browsers?

I have let's say.. 20 hours a week to work on an e-commmerce website. I can
spend that 20 hours each week updating products, adding more products, and
generally making the site run better, products easier to find, for IE only.
Or I can spend 80+ hours doing a make over to accomodate WebTV users, that
constitute less than 1/2 of 1% of my hits.

Which has the better return?
 
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Greywyvern

As you also
likely know (or maybe not), sniffing for Mozilla in the user agent
string is
a perfectly valid way of determing a browser since all browsers identify
themselves with the Mozilla string. I'm sure if you do some research on
the
matter, you'll find plenty of information on it.
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You're making a funny, right?
Out of 15,000+ unique visits this week, only 30 were from Opera. It's
not
worth my time to redesign for that number of people. Use the site map.
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Typical. Don't you think the people you're marketing these templates to
expect them to work for everybody?
It sure is. I know what causes it (and only someone as pompous as you
would
react as you are), but I just haven't cared to do anything about it.
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That's why you're still fiddling with templates and I'm doing corporate
and freelance design work. Yep, the world sure is unfair.
Your
reaction makes me even less prone to do so since it seems to cause you
such angst.
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Actually, I rather hope you don't. We don't need any more people with
your attitude in my neck of the woods.

Grey
 
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Windsun

Personally, I detest bottom posting. I hate doing it, and even more I hate
reading it. It is a holdover from the dinosaur days of Teletype machines
where you read from the bottom up.

People are crappy about editing posts - how many times have you scrolled
down 5 pages to read some thing like "I agree"?

The most common "reason" given for bottom posting is that people read what
is being replied to, then the reply. But the fact is, 99% of us have already
read all that in the previous thread messages.
 
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Windsun

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Eric Jarvis said:
Thomas A. Rowe (e-mail address removed) wrote:
That is precisely what I said. You are either dishonest or a fool....
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You really know how to make friends, don't you?
 
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William Tasso

...
How about if you alt.www.webmaster guys snip the FrontPage forum from
your posts and we'll do the same from this end...
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Leaving already? and we're only just starting to get cosy. oh well, pop
round anytime - the kettle is always on.

Where's Makrobicz when you need him ;)
 
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GreyWyvern

Or.. how about checking if you even CARE about Mozilla or other browsers?

I have let's say.. 20 hours a week to work on an e-commmerce website. I
can
spend that 20 hours each week updating products, adding more products,
and
generally making the site run better, products easier to find, for IE
only.
Or I can spend 80+ hours doing a make over to accomodate WebTV users,
that
constitute less than 1/2 of 1% of my hits.

Which has the better return?
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Fallacy. For one thing, designing for "IE only" and then trying to
"accomodate WebTV users" is a pathetic Straw Man. WebTV users these days
are almost non-existant. Yet users of browsers other than IE now make up
a significant portion of the market, and have far better standards support
than IE. Designing a site to work in the Mozilla/Opera/IE triumvirate is
as easy as falling off a log. It's only when you start adding things
which only work in IE that make you believe coding for compatibility with
other browsers is an impossibility.

The problem is with the way you code, *not* the way "gentile" browsers
handle your much-IE-tested designs.

Grey
 

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