Is the Professional Look Really Better?

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Chris, did you checkout the keywords for the site?

"World's Worst Webstite"

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[Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc,]

you would think that, and so did I when I put my stupid mug shot on a few
things at the insistence of someone who claimed there'd be benefits.

whether it looks more professional or not, it improved a key result.
That's
why, as uncomfortable as it is, I leave it up.

I'd like to know if anyone has any real evidence that having a picture of
the site owner actually makes a difference? I've heard this before, but
most people that claim it makes a difference added their picture at the same
time they drastically updated/polished/redesigned their websites. Any real
statistics on this?

--Tina

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Correction, the site doesn't have keyword tag, just a title tag.

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[GreyWyvern]

Wow, my first Web-Snob. I am impressed.

Yesh, hrms. It's just too bad the truth sounds that way. It's also sad
that after being called a liar and being patronized elsewhere in this
thread, some people still believe I'm not entitled to deliver a little
comeuppance.

But whatever; your opinion of me doesn't mean a whole lot. You can't
really know me in the day or so this unfortunate cross-over has been
occurring.

Grey

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

I can't see this morning, the site does actually have a keyword tag, before the title tag.

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[GreyWyvern]

Is that really your logic? Amazing. There is a considerable amount of
educational and cultural value in learning another language. I don't
think
redesigning a Web page that uses inline frames so that it renders well in
Opera even compares, but then that's just me.

Be sure to be a dear and put that on your resume for the next design job
you apply for. I'm sure that anyone who wants a great website will agree
with you.

Grey

 

[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

I may be mistaken,

Yes, you are.

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[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

Yesh, hrms. It's just too bad the truth sounds that way. It's also
sad that after being called a liar and being patronized elsewhere in
this thread, some people still believe I'm not entitled to deliver a
little comeuppance.

But whatever; your opinion of me doesn't mean a whole lot. You can't
really know me in the day or so this unfortunate cross-over has been
occurring.

You can discern a considerable amount about you however. No one called you
a liar. What I told you is that you may have pulled my page from cache
because my error page contains code that sends me e-mails when errors occur
on my site none had occurred on the day that you referenced.

Personally, I think that the demeanor of these folks from the alt.* crowd
who have appeared here is clear evidence why more people don't use
newsgroups. They believe they have to tread on thin ice lest they do
something to break one of the "rules" and unleash an attack on them.

What a shame.

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[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

By all means choose not to design for Opera, but please make the
decision based upon realities, not incorrect supposition.

Tell you what. You guys send me a check each month for my hosting fees and
another one for my mailing list provider fees and another for the software
that I purchase to maintain the site and the software I write and another
one for the time that I spend developing software and writing code for my
Web site and then you can dictate to me how I should design my site and for
whom I should design it. In the meantime, I'll stick to my current plan
since it's working quite nicely.

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[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

Be sure to be a dear and put that on your resume for the next design
job you apply for. I'm sure that anyone who wants a great website
will agree with you.

Don't assume that everyone with a Web site is a Web designer by trade. If
you had bothered to review my Web site, you would see that the purpose of my
Web site is to generate donations for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital
and for other charities of my choice.

Unlike some folks I've heard from recently, my point here is not to flaunt
how enlightened I believe myself to be by trying to prove how inadequate
everyone else is.

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[Norman L. DeForest]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Thomas A. Rowe wrote:
[snip]

If building a site that offer add-ins for Netscape users, why would I be concerned about any other
browser being able to view the site?

[snip]

An ISP's user-support list gets a query from a user, "Where can I get an
addon that does __________ [1] for Netscape?"

The user-support person searches with a different browser[2] and finds
your site and tries to find a suitable plugin for the user who asked the
question. If they can't navigate on your site with their browser, they
may give up and look at some other site to recommend to their user.


[1] Fill in the blank with whatever feature you want.
[2] Perhaps Firefox; perhaps Opera; perhaps Safari; perhaps Lynx.

 

[CarolW.]

Yes, you are.

Oh goodie - a "I got in the last word" contest! *grabs bag of chips an
a soda*

Carol

 

[GreyWyvern]

Personally, I think that the demeanor of these folks from the alt.* crowd
who have appeared here is clear evidence why more people don't use
newsgroups. They believe they have to tread on thin ice lest they do
something to break one of the "rules" and unleash an attack on them.

Well, I certainly hope you've learned a valuable lesson from all of this.

What a shame.

Indeed it is.

Grey

 

[Windsun]

Well, I learned not to feed the trolls.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

You can discern a considerable amount about you however. No one
called you a liar. What I told you is that you may have pulled my
page from cache because my error page contains code that sends me
e-mails when errors occur on my site none had occurred on the day
that you referenced.

Your error page would have no idea that your JavaScript failed in the
visitor's browser. You would not get an email.

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

 

[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

Your error page would have no idea that your JavaScript failed in the
visitor's browser. You would not get an email.

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Better to be thought ignorant than to
open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

The page that Grey referenced only shows up when a server-side error occurs
in server-side code.

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[GreyWyvern]

I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Better to be thought ignorant than
to
open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

The page that Grey referenced only shows up when a server-side error
occurs
in server-side code.

That would be very insightful, were it not for the fact that I still
consistently see this page.

I invite you to follow these steps to see the phenomenon for yourself;
perhaps your notification system is broken.

1) Download the latest stable version of Opera:
<http://www.opera.com/download/>

Or download the newest beta 2 edition if you're feeling adventurous:
<http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=8.0b2>

2) Install and then open the browser.

3) Press Alt+P

4) Go to "Multimedia" and make sure Javascript is enabled. Click the
"Javascript options..." button.

5) Check "Open Javascript console on error", hit OK and close the
Preferences

6) Go to your fpstandard.htm URI
<http://www.jimcoaddins.com/templates/fpstandard.htm>

Oh, and you'll see that javascript error pop up a message here. Tsk
tsk. Real professional.

7) Click the "Home" link in the left-hand menu and watch the ensuing
hilarity.

8) In fact, try clicking *any* link in the left-hand menu. "Page not
found" and "Sorry for the Inconvenience!" errors abound.

9) Get back to me if you get any notifications of these errors. I've
purposely visited that error page about 20 times today.


Oh, and BTW, aside from the fact that you horribly mis-quoted it, that
quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln, not Mark Twain.

Grey

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Better to be thought ignorant
than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

Was that meant for me? You really are a cheeky person.

The page that Grey referenced only shows up when a server-side
error occurs in server-side code.

Not was I was referencing, obviously.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

8) In fact, try clicking *any* link in the left-hand menu. "Page
not found" and "Sorry for the Inconvenience!" errors abound.

Clicked the "Cool Tools" link:

<quote>
We can't find the page you requested!

We're sorry. The page you requested does not exist. It may have been
removed from the site.

We hope you'll check out some of our other great content while you're
here!

Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
</quote>

Oh, and BTW, aside from the fact that you horribly mis-quoted it,
that quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln, not Mark Twain.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that ...

 

[Jim Cheshire \(JIMCO\)]

Oh, and BTW, aside from the fact that you horribly mis-quoted it, that
quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln, not Mark Twain.

See what I mean. The quote is actually derived from Proverbs chapter 17,
but it has been repeated by many. It appears in Mark Twain's writings (as I
said.)

As to all of your other ramblings, I thought I had covered Opera with you
guys. I can only surmise by your reference to my quotation that you don't
read much, so I'm not surprised.

I've grown tired of this "I'm so much better than you" commentary with you,
so I'm off to do something productive.

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