From the Latin deprecare; to ward off bad forturne. However, it doesn't mean
we can't missspell it does it?
| Deprecated, not depreciated.
|
| --
| Murray
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| MVP FrontPage
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|
| | > sThat no problem i am glad that it has worked out for you.
| > There are major benefits to CSS'ing your site regardless of the layout!
| > The most important being that the <font> tag has been depreciated. That
| > means that it does not have to be supported by new browsers! Obviously
all
| > browsers will continue to support it - but some time in the distant
future
| > who knows?
| > Also the massive code reduction will help in saving B/W costs and
| > potentially your users will have a better time using your site.
| > Not sure if i posted this link before but....
| > this is a completely unstyled page - its just text and standard
tags.....
| >
http://wet-inc.co.uk/templates/zen/zenbear.htm
| > Nothing exciting there. But add the style sheet and you get this.
| >
http://www.wet-inc.co.uk/templates/zen/zenmaster.htm
| > So why bother?
| > I can change the WHOLE site from the style sheet. OK fine for one page
no
| > real bonus there, but if this were 50 pages - 100 - 500! again to change
| > ALL
| > pages, i just do it in the style sheet.
| > As we enter web2... CSS will play a major role.
| > Some CSS tips and tutorials can be found here.
| >
http://www.mingamong.com/FrontPage/FpCSS.htm
| > Good luck
| > JIM
| >
| > --
| > FrontPage tips and tricks
| > Free FrontPage templates
| >
www.wet-inc.co.uk
| >
| >
| > "Dick" wrote:
| >
| >> Thank you Jim, I tried this and it worked just as you described. Why
| >> should I
| >> have expected otherwise. Now, after finally learning how to do this
much
| >> with
| >> css in FP, I am not sure that doing this is any advantage in an
already
| >> established web site built using tables. Maybe there is, and if so I
bet
| >> i'll
| >> hear about it here.
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> "wet-inc" wrote:
| >>
| >> > Ok so i'm sorry i have been away for a while.
| >> > To put this to bed - CSS can be used for a)Styling and b)
positioning.
| >> > Whilst i risk getting shot down in flames, tables are still an
| >> > acceptable
| >> > way to overcome site layout problems and to be honest, stripping out
| >> > the
| >> > tables with basic CSS knowledge is a no no!
| >> > HOWEVER it is possible to use CSS to style what you have already. CSS
| >> > styling uses selectors and at its most basic, <p></P> - <td></td> -
| >> > <h1></h1>
| >> > - <h2></h2> 3,4,5,6 and so on.
| >> > These are basic html tags and your site is made up of them. One
poster
| >> > reccomended topstyle via bradsoft.com the lite version will do all
you
| >> > want
| >> > it to.
| >> > To make a start and see if CSS is for you, FP comes with a selection
of
| >> > pre
| >> > designed CSS files, you can use this to see if its right for you.
| >> > Open one of the CSS files (file/new page/CSS) save this as
| >> > (mystyles.css)
| >> > for example and attatch it to your test page (obviously back up all
| >> > files
| >> > first!!!!!!)
| >> > Its likely nothing will actually happen....
| >> > If this is the case, you need to highlight a section of text with
your
| >> > mouse
| >> > and do....
| >> > Ctrl and space together. This will strip out the existing styles of
the
| >> > section highlighted. This section will then pick up its style from
the
| >> > newly
| >> > added style sheet.
| >> > HTH
| >> > JIM
| >> > --
| >> > FrontPage tips and tricks
| >> > Free FrontPage templates
| >> >
www.wet-inc.co.uk
| >> >
| >> >
| >> > "Dick" wrote:
| >> >
| >> > > Stay tuned, better things are coming
| >> > >
| >> > > "Murray" wrote:
| >> > >
| >> > > > Good luck!
| >> > > >
| >> > > > --
| >> > > > Murray
| >> > > > --------------
| >> > > > MVP FrontPage
| >> > > >
| >> > > >
| >> > > > | >> > > > > Wow, thanks I'll try and digest all that. Actually that page is
a
| >> > > > > quick
| >> > > > > and
| >> > > > > dirty attempt by me of finding something that would work
| >> > > > > temporarly while
| >> > > > > I
| >> > > > > awaited some answers to my question. I'll redo it no that you
| >> > > > > have given
| >> > > > > me
| >> > > > > these leads.
| >> > > > >
| >> > > > > "Murray" wrote:
| >> > > > >
| >> > > > >> 1. There is no doctype, so Netscape is going to render very
| >> > > > >> differently
| >> > > > >> than IE because their respective 'quirks' mode rendering is
very
| >> > > > >> different -
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> <html>
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> <head>
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> 2. <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"
| >> > > > >> href="white%20background.css">
| >> > > > >> Spaces in a file/pathname can cause browsers lots of trouble
| >> > > > >> finding
| >> > > > >> files.
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> 3. Non-web-safe fonts will cause different people to see
| >> > > > >> different fonts
| >> > > > >> used on the page -
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> <font face="Felix Titling">
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> Here are your only choices -
| >> > > > >>
http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> 4. I hurt myself on this one -
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> src="FUMC%20Oct%2022%202004%2010x2%20copy.jpg"
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> 5. <font face="Poor Richard" size="2"
| >> > > > >> color="#000000">
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> and
| >> > > > >> many many more
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> Using consecutive non-breaking spaces is a poor way to format
| >> > > > >> your page
| >> > > > >> layout.
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> 6. You have about 500 lines of javascript embedded in the
body
| >> > > > >> of the
| >> > > > >> page.
| >> > > > >> That's generally poor form....
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> Now - the reason the two pages look so differently is because
of
| >> > > > >> this -
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> <table border="2" width="600"
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> Your table is required to be 600px wide by this line.
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> In the single cell of that table, you have this -
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> <object id="obj1" border="0" width="184"
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> at 184px width, and this -
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> <img border="0"
| >> > > > >>
src="
http://www.fumcwl.org/FUMC Oct 22 2004 10x2 copy.jpg"
| >> > > > >> width="450"
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> at 450px width.
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> That is a total of 450+184 or 634px.
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> Because you are rendering in quirks mode, IE ignores the 600px
| >> > > > >> width, and
| >> > > > >> stretches the table. Firefox (good boy) obeys the 600px
width,
| >> > > > >> and
| >> > > > >> forces
| >> > > > >> the image to fall below the Flash element (the only thing it
can
| >> > > > >> do).
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> The result is that your page basically is looking badly broken
| >> > > > >> in
| >> > > > >> Firefox.
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> Try making that outer table 634px wide. And please also add
| >> > > > >> cellspacing
| >> > > > >> and
| >> > > > >> cellpadding of zero.
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> --
| >> > > > >> Murray
| >> > > > >> --------------
| >> > > > >> MVP FrontPage
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >>
| >> > > > >> | >> > > > >> > Hey, enjoying all the banter about age. Now can anyone of
you
| >> > > > >> > take a
| >> > > > >> > look
| >> > > > >> > at
| >> > > > >> > my website home page and tell me why it's all screwed up in
| >> > > > >> > Netscape?
| >> > > > >> >
http://www.fumcwl.org
| >> > > > >> >
| >> > > > >> > Thanks
| >> > > > >> >
| >> > > > >> > "Murray" wrote:
| >> > > > >> >
| >> > > > >> >> Hmmm (examining driver's license). You may be right....
| >> > > > >> >>
| >> > > > >> >> 8)
| >> > > > >> >>
| >> > > > >> >> --
| >> > > > >> >> Murray
| >> > > > >> >> --------------
| >> > > > >> >> MVP FrontPage
| >> > > > >> >>
| >> > > > >> >>
| >> > > > >> >> "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <
[email protected]>
| >> > > > >> >> wrote in
| >> > > > >> >> message
| >> > > > >> >> | >> > > > >> >> > But Nurray is the ancient one. Obi Wan Nurray-san
| >> > > > >> >> >
| >> > > > >> >> >
| >> > > > >> >> >
| >> > > > >> >> >
message
| >> > > > >> >> > | >> > > > >> >> > | Hmmm (examining driver's license). You may be
right....
| >> > > > >> >> > |
| >> > > > >> >> > | --
| >> > > > >> >> > | Murray
| >> > > > >> >> > | --------------
| >> > > > >> >> > | MVP FrontPage
| >> > > > >> >> > |
| >> > > > >> >> > |
| >> > > > >> >> > message
| >> > > > >> >> > | | >> > > > >> >> > | > You are NOT that old, Murray, don't try to pull that.
| >> > > > >> >> > :-D
| >> > > > >> >> > | >
| >> > > > >> >> > | >
| >> > > > >> >> > | > --
| >> > > > >> >> > | > Patty Ayers |
www.WebDevBiz.com
| >> > > > >> >> > | > Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
| >> > > > >> >> > | > Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate
| >> > > > >> >> > Worksheet
| >> > > > >> >> > | > --
| >> > > > >> >> > | >
| >> > > > >> >> > | >
| >> > > > >> >> > | >
| >> > > > >> >> > message
| >> > > > >> >> > | > | >> > > > >> >> > | >> Oops. Too late for me.
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >> --
| >> > > > >> >> > | >> Murray
| >> > > > >> >> > | >> --------------
| >> > > > >> >> > | >> MVP FrontPage
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>
| >> > > > >> >> > in message
| >> > > > >> >> > | >> | >> > > > >> >> > | >>> Maybe I'll give up tables for layout when I'm 83
too.
| >> > > > >> >> > :-D
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>> --
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>> Patty Ayers |
www.WebDevBiz.com
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>> Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>> Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form,
Estimate
| >> > > > >> >> > Worksheet
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>> --
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>
| >> > > > >> >> > message
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>
| >> > > > >> >> >
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>> Thanks P@tty, I beleive you and have started down
| >> > > > >> >> > that path
| >> > > > >> >> > since
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>> receiving
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>> all the replys from every one. At 83 I figure I
| >> > > > >> >> > still have
| >> > > > >> >> > time
| >> > > > >> >> > to
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>> learn
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>> another trick or two, so thanks to you all for
your
| >> > > > >> >> > helpful
| >> > > > >> >> > advice.
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>> I'll be
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>> back with more question you can bet.
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>> "P@tty Ayers" wrote:
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>>
| >> > > > >> >> > message
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>>
| >> > > > >> >> >
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > Thanks Murray,
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > To clarify. I have studied html and I wrote my
| >> > > > >> >> > first web
| >> > > > >> >> > site
| >> > > > >> >> > with
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > the
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > help
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > of an html editor. All my present sites have
| >> > > > >> >> > been done
| >> > > > >> >> > with
| >> > > > >> >> > FP2003
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > tweaking
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > the html in code view when necessary. Would
one
| >> > > > >> >> > of the
| >> > > > >> >> > stye
| >> > > > >> >> > sheet
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > editors
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > available on line allow me to make the change
| >> > > > >> >> > over to css
| >> > > > >> >> > for
| >> > > > >> >> > my
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > "fumcwl"
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > site? I have also worked through the MS
tutorial
| >> > > > >> >> > about css
| >> > > > >> >> > ,
| >> > > > >> >> > read
| >> > > > >> >> > a
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > lot
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > about
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > it and think I have a pretty good understanding
| >> > > > >> >> > of what
| >> > > > >> >> > css
| >> > > > >> >> > is
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > supposed to
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > do. Now I need to know how to take the pages in
| >> > > > >> >> > the
| >> > > > >> >> > present
| >> > > > >> >> > site
| >> > > > >> >> > and
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > make
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > style sheets for them. I could re-design the
site
| >> > > > >> >> > just
| >> > > > >> >> > keeping
| >> > > > >> >> > the
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > text
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > and
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> > features of the present site if easier.
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>>
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> Dick, just some thoughts from another
perspective.
| >> > > > >> >> > Somehow,
| >> > > > >> >> > a
| >> > > > >> >> > lot
| >> > > > >> >> > of
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> people
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> seem to have begun to think that building sites
| >> > > > >> >> > with no
| >> > > > >> >> > tables
| >> > > > >> >> > for
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> layout,
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> and only CSS positioning, is just one more little
| >> > > > >> >> > skill they
| >> > > > >> >> > need
| >> > > > >> >> > to
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> learn
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> along the way. Actually, it's a complicated
| >> > > > >> >> > subject, and
| >> > > > >> >> > takes
| >> > > > >> >> > most
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> people
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> at least several months of concentrated study to
| >> > > > >> >> > master
| >> > > > >> >> > enough
| >> > > > >> >> > to
| >> > > > >> >> > put
| >> > > > >> >> > | >>>>> together *all kinds* of layouts as easily as you
| >> > > > >> >> > can with
| >> > > > >> >> > tables.
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