Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

[Chris Schatte]

The reason we are here is to learn from and contribute to the Office group, fully implement our software that we have invested in and then make money from $ spent
Basic investment concept for home or office user
OO/Star Office users etc, are now learning that you cannot always work for "free"....

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

ROTFL!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

| Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't
care
| less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences
of
| fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a
MS
| hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
| > Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
| > appropriate to the product being extolled.
| >
| > This is not one of them.
| >
| > I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely
lacking
| > from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old
Lotus
| > SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
| > LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document
or
| > uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.
| >
| > And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
| > Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
| > approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office
97.
| >
| > --
| > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| >
| > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
| > account will be deleted without reading.
| >
| > After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:
| >
| > | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| > | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| > | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| > | office users.
| > |
| > | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| > | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| > | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
| > |
| > | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| > | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| > | After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| > | wonders what went wrong.
| > |
| > | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| > | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| > | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
| > |
| > | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| > | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| > | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| > | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
| > |
| > | Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| > |
| > | Patriot
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| > | | > || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
| > ||
| > || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
| > || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
| > || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
| > ||
| > || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
| > || with something that actually works as advertised.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || --
| > || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| > ||
| > || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
| > || personal account will be deleted without reading.
| > ||
| > || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
| > || asked:
| > ||
| > ||| Hi,
| > |||
| > ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| > ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| > ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| > ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| > ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
| > ||| a cheaper solution.
| > ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
| > |||
| > ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| > ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
| > ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
| > ||| years
| > ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| > ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| > ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| > ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
| > ||| company.
| > |||
| > |||
| > ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| > ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
| > ||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
| > |||
| > ||| Niax
|
|

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

ROTFL!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

| Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't
care
| less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences
of
| fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a
MS
| hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
| > Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
| > appropriate to the product being extolled.
| >
| > This is not one of them.
| >
| > I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely
lacking
| > from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old
Lotus
| > SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
| > LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document
or
| > uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.
| >
| > And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
| > Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
| > approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office
97.
| >
| > --
| > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| >
| > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
| > account will be deleted without reading.
| >
| > After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:
| >
| > | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| > | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| > | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| > | office users.
| > |
| > | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| > | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| > | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
| > |
| > | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| > | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| > | After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| > | wonders what went wrong.
| > |
| > | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| > | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| > | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
| > |
| > | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| > | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| > | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| > | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
| > |
| > | Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| > |
| > | Patriot
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| > | | > || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
| > ||
| > || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
| > || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
| > || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
| > ||
| > || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
| > || with something that actually works as advertised.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || --
| > || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| > ||
| > || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
| > || personal account will be deleted without reading.
| > ||
| > || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
| > || asked:
| > ||
| > ||| Hi,
| > |||
| > ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| > ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| > ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| > ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| > ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
| > ||| a cheaper solution.
| > ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
| > |||
| > ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| > ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
| > ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
| > ||| years
| > ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| > ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| > ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| > ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
| > ||| company.
| > |||
| > |||
| > ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| > ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
| > ||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
| > |||
| > ||| Niax
|
|

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

ROTFL!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

| Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't
care
| less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences
of
| fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a
MS
| hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
| > Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
| > appropriate to the product being extolled.
| >
| > This is not one of them.
| >
| > I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely
lacking
| > from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old
Lotus
| > SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
| > LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document
or
| > uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.
| >
| > And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
| > Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
| > approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office
97.
| >
| > --
| > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| >
| > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
| > account will be deleted without reading.
| >
| > After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:
| >
| > | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| > | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| > | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| > | office users.
| > |
| > | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| > | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| > | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
| > |
| > | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| > | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| > | After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| > | wonders what went wrong.
| > |
| > | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| > | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| > | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
| > |
| > | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| > | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| > | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| > | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
| > |
| > | Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| > |
| > | Patriot
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| > | | > || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
| > ||
| > || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
| > || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
| > || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
| > ||
| > || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
| > || with something that actually works as advertised.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || --
| > || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| > ||
| > || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
| > || personal account will be deleted without reading.
| > ||
| > || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
| > || asked:
| > ||
| > ||| Hi,
| > |||
| > ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| > ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| > ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| > ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| > ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
| > ||| a cheaper solution.
| > ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
| > |||
| > ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| > ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
| > ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
| > ||| years
| > ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| > ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| > ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| > ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
| > ||| company.
| > |||
| > |||
| > ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| > ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
| > ||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
| > |||
| > ||| Niax
|
|

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

ROTFL!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

| Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't
care
| less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences
of
| fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a
MS
| hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
| > Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
| > appropriate to the product being extolled.
| >
| > This is not one of them.
| >
| > I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely
lacking
| > from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old
Lotus
| > SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
| > LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document
or
| > uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.
| >
| > And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
| > Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
| > approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office
97.
| >
| > --
| > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| >
| > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
| > account will be deleted without reading.
| >
| > After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:
| >
| > | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| > | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| > | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| > | office users.
| > |
| > | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| > | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| > | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
| > |
| > | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| > | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| > | After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| > | wonders what went wrong.
| > |
| > | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| > | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| > | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
| > |
| > | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| > | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| > | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| > | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
| > |
| > | Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| > |
| > | Patriot
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| > | | > || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
| > ||
| > || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
| > || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
| > || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
| > ||
| > || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
| > || with something that actually works as advertised.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || --
| > || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| > ||
| > || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
| > || personal account will be deleted without reading.
| > ||
| > || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
| > || asked:
| > ||
| > ||| Hi,
| > |||
| > ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| > ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| > ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| > ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| > ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
| > ||| a cheaper solution.
| > ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
| > |||
| > ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| > ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
| > ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
| > ||| years
| > ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| > ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| > ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| > ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
| > ||| company.
| > |||
| > |||
| > ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| > ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
| > ||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
| > |||
| > ||| Niax
|
|

 

[Patriot]

I believe that is a result of expecting someone else to do all of your
thinking for you. Rather returning to the learning curve issue where you
actually have to put some effort into the project to expect anything to
happen in a productive manner.

I will continue to use MS business related products and just as astudiously
help others with less demanding needs utilize the more practical and
economical alternatives.

I am still wondering why the complaints on learning OO. I have provided at
least 250 copies of it to folks who are pleased to have it made available
and quite at ease with using it.

Thank you

Patriot

The reason we are here is to learn from and contribute to the Office

group, fully implement our software that we have invested in and then make
money from $ spent.

 

[Patriot]

I believe that is a result of expecting someone else to do all of your
thinking for you. Rather returning to the learning curve issue where you
actually have to put some effort into the project to expect anything to
happen in a productive manner.

I will continue to use MS business related products and just as astudiously
help others with less demanding needs utilize the more practical and
economical alternatives.

I am still wondering why the complaints on learning OO. I have provided at
least 250 copies of it to folks who are pleased to have it made available
and quite at ease with using it.

Thank you

Patriot

The reason we are here is to learn from and contribute to the Office

group, fully implement our software that we have invested in and then make
money from $ spent.

 

[Patriot]

I believe that is a result of expecting someone else to do all of your
thinking for you. Rather returning to the learning curve issue where you
actually have to put some effort into the project to expect anything to
happen in a productive manner.

I will continue to use MS business related products and just as astudiously
help others with less demanding needs utilize the more practical and
economical alternatives.

I am still wondering why the complaints on learning OO. I have provided at
least 250 copies of it to folks who are pleased to have it made available
and quite at ease with using it.

Thank you

Patriot

The reason we are here is to learn from and contribute to the Office

group, fully implement our software that we have invested in and then make
money from $ spent.

 

[Patriot]

I believe that is a result of expecting someone else to do all of your
thinking for you. Rather returning to the learning curve issue where you
actually have to put some effort into the project to expect anything to
happen in a productive manner.

I will continue to use MS business related products and just as astudiously
help others with less demanding needs utilize the more practical and
economical alternatives.

I am still wondering why the complaints on learning OO. I have provided at
least 250 copies of it to folks who are pleased to have it made available
and quite at ease with using it.

Thank you

Patriot

The reason we are here is to learn from and contribute to the Office

group, fully implement our software that we have invested in and then make
money from $ spent.

 

[Toby Ridge]

Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax

 

[Toby Ridge]

Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax

 

[Toby Ridge]

Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax

 

[Toby Ridge]

Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax

 

[Doug G]

This woman (Milly) has seriously lost her marbles! First she started to tell somebody
off for discussing Open Office but then she continued to elaborate on her bedroom habits
such as Lotus position and what not. Thank god she didn't discuss position 69!

Now she wants to use the F word in her cryptic ROTFL. Is she so lonely that she
has to antagonise users of this newsgroup?

ROTFL is a Usenet abbreviation (acronym?) for Rolling On The Floor Laughing.

ROTFL!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

| Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't
care
| less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences
of
| fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a
MS
| hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
| > Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
| > appropriate to the product being extolled.
| >
| > This is not one of them.
| >
| > I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely
lacking
| > from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old
Lotus
| > SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
| > LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document
or
| > uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.
| >
| > And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
| > Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
| > approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office
97.
| >
| > --
| > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| >
| > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
| > account will be deleted without reading.
| >
| > After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:
| >
| > | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| > | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| > | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| > | office users.
| > |
| > | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| > | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| > | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
| > |
| > | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| > | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| > | After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| > | wonders what went wrong.
| > |
| > | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| > | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| > | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
| > |
| > | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| > | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| > | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| > | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
| > |
| > | Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| > |
| > | Patriot
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| > | | > || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
| > ||
| > || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
| > || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
| > || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
| > ||
| > || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
| > || with something that actually works as advertised.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || --
| > || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| > ||
| > || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
| > || personal account will be deleted without reading.
| > ||
| > || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
| > || asked:
| > ||
| > ||| Hi,
| > |||
| > ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| > ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| > ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| > ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| > ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
| > ||| a cheaper solution.
| > ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
| > |||
| > ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| > ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
| > ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
| > ||| years
| > ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| > ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| > ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| > ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
| > ||| company.
| > |||
| > |||
| > ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| > ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
| > ||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
| > |||
| > ||| Niax
|
|

 

[Doug G]

This woman (Milly) has seriously lost her marbles! First she started to tell somebody
off for discussing Open Office but then she continued to elaborate on her bedroom habits
such as Lotus position and what not. Thank god she didn't discuss position 69!

Now she wants to use the F word in her cryptic ROTFL. Is she so lonely that she
has to antagonise users of this newsgroup?

ROTFL is a Usenet abbreviation (acronym?) for Rolling On The Floor Laughing.

ROTFL!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

| Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't
care
| less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences
of
| fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a
MS
| hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
| > Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
| > appropriate to the product being extolled.
| >
| > This is not one of them.
| >
| > I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely
lacking
| > from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old
Lotus
| > SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
| > LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document
or
| > uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.
| >
| > And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
| > Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
| > approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office
97.
| >
| > --
| > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| >
| > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
| > account will be deleted without reading.
| >
| > After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:
| >
| > | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| > | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| > | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| > | office users.
| > |
| > | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| > | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| > | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
| > |
| > | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| > | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| > | After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| > | wonders what went wrong.
| > |
| > | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| > | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| > | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
| > |
| > | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| > | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| > | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| > | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
| > |
| > | Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| > |
| > | Patriot
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| > | | > || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
| > ||
| > || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
| > || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
| > || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
| > ||
| > || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
| > || with something that actually works as advertised.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || --
| > || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| > ||
| > || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
| > || personal account will be deleted without reading.
| > ||
| > || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
| > || asked:
| > ||
| > ||| Hi,
| > |||
| > ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| > ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| > ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| > ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| > ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
| > ||| a cheaper solution.
| > ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
| > |||
| > ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| > ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
| > ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
| > ||| years
| > ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| > ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| > ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| > ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
| > ||| company.
| > |||
| > |||
| > ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| > ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
| > ||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
| > |||
| > ||| Niax
|
|

 

[Doug G]

This woman (Milly) has seriously lost her marbles! First she started to tell somebody
off for discussing Open Office but then she continued to elaborate on her bedroom habits
such as Lotus position and what not. Thank god she didn't discuss position 69!

Now she wants to use the F word in her cryptic ROTFL. Is she so lonely that she
has to antagonise users of this newsgroup?

ROTFL is a Usenet abbreviation (acronym?) for Rolling On The Floor Laughing.

ROTFL!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

| Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't
care
| less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences
of
| fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a
MS
| hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
| > Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
| > appropriate to the product being extolled.
| >
| > This is not one of them.
| >
| > I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely
lacking
| > from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old
Lotus
| > SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
| > LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document
or
| > uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.
| >
| > And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
| > Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
| > approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office
97.
| >
| > --
| > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| >
| > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
| > account will be deleted without reading.
| >
| > After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:
| >
| > | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| > | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| > | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| > | office users.
| > |
| > | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| > | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| > | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
| > |
| > | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| > | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| > | After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| > | wonders what went wrong.
| > |
| > | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| > | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| > | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
| > |
| > | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| > | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| > | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| > | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
| > |
| > | Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| > |
| > | Patriot
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| > | | > || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
| > ||
| > || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
| > || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
| > || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
| > ||
| > || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
| > || with something that actually works as advertised.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || --
| > || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| > ||
| > || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
| > || personal account will be deleted without reading.
| > ||
| > || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
| > || asked:
| > ||
| > ||| Hi,
| > |||
| > ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| > ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| > ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| > ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| > ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
| > ||| a cheaper solution.
| > ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
| > |||
| > ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| > ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
| > ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
| > ||| years
| > ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| > ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| > ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| > ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
| > ||| company.
| > |||
| > |||
| > ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| > ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
| > ||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
| > |||
| > ||| Niax
|
|

 

[Doug G]

This woman (Milly) has seriously lost her marbles! First she started to tell somebody
off for discussing Open Office but then she continued to elaborate on her bedroom habits
such as Lotus position and what not. Thank god she didn't discuss position 69!

Now she wants to use the F word in her cryptic ROTFL. Is she so lonely that she
has to antagonise users of this newsgroup?

ROTFL is a Usenet abbreviation (acronym?) for Rolling On The Floor Laughing.

ROTFL!!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

| Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't
care
| less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences
of
| fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a
MS
| hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
| > Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
| > appropriate to the product being extolled.
| >
| > This is not one of them.
| >
| > I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely
lacking
| > from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old
Lotus
| > SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
| > LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document
or
| > uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.
| >
| > And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
| > Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
| > approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office
97.
| >
| > --
| > Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| >
| > Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
| > account will be deleted without reading.
| >
| > After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:
| >
| > | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| > | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| > | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| > | office users.
| > |
| > | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| > | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| > | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
| > |
| > | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| > | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| > | After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| > | wonders what went wrong.
| > |
| > | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| > | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| > | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
| > |
| > | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| > | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| > | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| > | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
| > |
| > | Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| > |
| > | Patriot
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| > | | > || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
| > ||
| > || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
| > || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
| > || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
| > ||
| > || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
| > || with something that actually works as advertised.
| > ||
| > ||
| > || --
| > || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
| > ||
| > || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
| > || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
| > || personal account will be deleted without reading.
| > ||
| > || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
| > || asked:
| > ||
| > ||| Hi,
| > |||
| > ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| > ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| > ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| > ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| > ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
| > ||| a cheaper solution.
| > ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
| > |||
| > ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| > ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
| > ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
| > ||| years
| > ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| > ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| > ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| > ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
| > ||| company.
| > |||
| > |||
| > ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| > ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
| > ||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
| > |||
| > ||| Niax
|
|

 

[niaxous]

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I understand your reaction but I wanted to have this groups opinion.
At the office I use the MS Office Pack and don't deny that these
programs are good.

I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.

I understand your reaction but I wanted to have this groups opinion.
At the office I use the MS Office Pack and don't deny that these
programs are good but you

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax

 

[niaxous]

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I understand your reaction but I wanted to have this groups opinion.
At the office I use the MS Office Pack and don't deny that these
programs are good.

I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.

I understand your reaction but I wanted to have this groups opinion.
At the office I use the MS Office Pack and don't deny that these
programs are good but you

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax

 

[niaxous]

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not O or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I understand your reaction but I wanted to have this groups opinion.
At the office I use the MS Office Pack and don't deny that these
programs are good.

I use O on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.

I understand your reaction but I wanted to have this groups opinion.
At the office I use the MS Office Pack and don't deny that these
programs are good but you

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax