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P

Pierre

Hi all,

I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.

On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.

My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the row
by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.

I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something else

regards,

pierre
 
K

Kevin Spencer

Hi Pierre,

The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that when you
merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when you
split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns to the
whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged. the
column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to either a
column or more than one column's width.

What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you originally
merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the whole. The
nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they will not
correspond to any columns in the parent table.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
The sun never sets on
the Kingdom of Heaven
 
M

Murray

Here's even better advice.

Stack separate tables.

Table1 with one column/row configuration
Table2 with a new column/row configuration
Table3 with the original column/row configuration

This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although the
ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.

Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple to
maintain.
 
T

Tom Pepper Willett

Murray:

I'm not familiar with the term "stack separate tables". Could you please
expound?

Thanks,
--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
===
| Here's even better advice.
|
| Stack separate tables.
|
| Table1 with one column/row configuration
| Table2 with a new column/row configuration
| Table3 with the original column/row configuration
|
| This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
| colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although the
| ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
| complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.
|
| Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple to
| maintain.
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > good advice, thanks
| >
| > Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
| > <#[email protected]>...
| >>Hi Pierre,
| >>
| >>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that when
| > you
| >>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when you
| >>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns to
the
| >>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged. the
| >>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to
either
| > a
| >>column or more than one column's width.
| >>
| >>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you originally
| >>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the whole.
The
| >>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they will
not
| >>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
| >>
| >>--
| >>HTH,
| >>
| >>Kevin Spencer
| >>Microsoft MVP
| >>.Net Developer
| >>The sun never sets on
| >>the Kingdom of Heaven
| >>
| >>| >>> Hi all,
| >>>
| >>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
| >>>
| >>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
| >>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
| >>>
| >>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the row
| >>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
| >>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
| >>>
| >>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something else
| >>>
| >>> regards,
| >>>
| >>> pierre
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
 
M

Murray

<table></table>
<table></table>
<table></table>

A stack of three separate tables....
 
K

Kevin Spencer

Hey Murray, one more question, if I may. How many tables can you stack
before the page gets wobbly and/or falls over? Is it more sturdy if you have
a lot of columns?

--
;-),

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
The sun never sets on
the Kingdom of Heaven
 
M

Murray

If you use rebars in the tables, the number is unlimited. 8)

Yeah - stacks of two column tables are quite wobbly....

Heh - NOT.
 
T

Tom Pepper Willett

Okay. I've just never heard the term before.
--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
===
| <table></table>
| <table></table>
| <table></table>
|
| A stack of three separate tables....
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| | > Murray:
| >
| > I'm not familiar with the term "stack separate tables". Could you
please
| > expound?
| >
| > Thanks,
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > About FrontPage 2003:
| > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > ===
| > | > | Here's even better advice.
| > |
| > | Stack separate tables.
| > |
| > | Table1 with one column/row configuration
| > | Table2 with a new column/row configuration
| > | Table3 with the original column/row configuration
| > |
| > | This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
| > | colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although
the
| > | ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
| > | complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.
| > |
| > | Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple
to
| > | maintain.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | ============
| > |
| > | | > | > good advice, thanks
| > | >
| > | > Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
| > | > <#[email protected]>...
| > | >>Hi Pierre,
| > | >>
| > | >>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that
| > when
| > | > you
| > | >>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when
| > you
| > | >>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns
to
| > the
| > | >>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged.
the
| > | >>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to
| > either
| > | > a
| > | >>column or more than one column's width.
| > | >>
| > | >>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you
| > originally
| > | >>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the
whole.
| > The
| > | >>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they
will
| > not
| > | >>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
| > | >>
| > | >>--
| > | >>HTH,
| > | >>
| > | >>Kevin Spencer
| > | >>Microsoft MVP
| > | >>.Net Developer
| > | >>The sun never sets on
| > | >>the Kingdom of Heaven
| > | >>
| > | >>| > | >>> Hi all,
| > | >>>
| > | >>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
| > | >>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the
| > row
| > | >>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
| > | >>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something
| > else
| > | >>>
| > | >>> regards,
| > | >>>
| > | >>> pierre
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
M

Murray

Now you know! 8)

Stacked tables are a very handy way to change column arrangements in the
middle of a layout, and not fall into the trap of col- or rowspan
hinkiness....
 

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