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David W. Fenton
That's because you're depending on libraries and development
platforms that were stupidly not coded to support web standards
(likely Microsoft products, in fact).
That's because you're depending on libraries and development
platforms that were stupidly not coded to support web standards
(likely Microsoft products, in fact).
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David W. Fenton
Actually New Jersey, and not statewide, just the local school
district. And it was a multi-gigabit network (speeds/bandwidth
comparable to backbone networks of 15 years ago). It was all fiber
between all the schools.
(so, you're actually 0 for 3 on that assertion!
Not many companies I've worked for have that kind of networking
infrastructure, but that school district's Access apps ran just fine
across their WAN (because it wasn't a WAN in our conventional
terms).
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aaron.kempf
I disagree with your lies.
ADP have been treated a _LOT_ better than MDB over the years.
Access Data Projects got significant improvements in
Office 2000, Office 2002, Office 2003, and Office 2007.
Where can you come up with such LIES, Tony?
DAO wasn't included with Office or Windows.. for _HOW_ many years?
ADP have a much brighter future than MDB or ACCDB.
ADP is the reccomend best practice for working with SQL Server data.
It is 100 times simpler, and 10 times faster than anything to come out
of the MDB / ACCDB land.
I just refuse to let you make blanket-- blatant- LIES like this Tony.
-Aaron
ADP have been treated a _LOT_ better than MDB over the years.
Access Data Projects got significant improvements in
Office 2000, Office 2002, Office 2003, and Office 2007.
Where can you come up with such LIES, Tony?
DAO wasn't included with Office or Windows.. for _HOW_ many years?
ADP have a much brighter future than MDB or ACCDB.
ADP is the reccomend best practice for working with SQL Server data.
It is 100 times simpler, and 10 times faster than anything to come out
of the MDB / ACCDB land.
I just refuse to let you make blanket-- blatant- LIES like this Tony.
-Aaron
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aaron.kempf
BS.
SQL Server is faster, cheaper, better, more powerful, more scalable.
The only reason you kids use MDB is because these con artists get you
stuck on their juice.
It's called 'vendor lockin'.
I don't have vendor lockin with SQL Server.
Worst comes to worst; I move to mySql.
Access MDB and ACCDB are complete failures in the market place.
Microsoft is _RAPING_ us by forcing SharePoint down our throats.
Now _THAT_ is called ** bundling ** I think.
SharePoint is slower and more complex than native SQL Server.
and without SharePoint or some other _SERVER_ based solution-- MDB and
ACCDB have already died a quick painful death.
Now that Excel can hold a million rows.. Access has _ZERO_ necessity
in the modern day office.
People don't need to deal with linked table manager; DAO libraries
that are missing or renamed.
You guys just don't need to spread lies about SQL Server.
Just because you're babies-- and you guys are stuck making $12/hour--
that doesn't mean that I'm going to let you guys continue to con
newbies into your bullshit.
Frontend / Backend is a _SCAM_.
Keep your tables and queries-- in one place-- where they belong.
ON A DATABASE SERVER.
-Aaron
SQL Server is faster, cheaper, better, more powerful, more scalable.
The only reason you kids use MDB is because these con artists get you
stuck on their juice.
It's called 'vendor lockin'.
I don't have vendor lockin with SQL Server.
Worst comes to worst; I move to mySql.
Access MDB and ACCDB are complete failures in the market place.
Microsoft is _RAPING_ us by forcing SharePoint down our throats.
Now _THAT_ is called ** bundling ** I think.
SharePoint is slower and more complex than native SQL Server.
and without SharePoint or some other _SERVER_ based solution-- MDB and
ACCDB have already died a quick painful death.
Now that Excel can hold a million rows.. Access has _ZERO_ necessity
in the modern day office.
People don't need to deal with linked table manager; DAO libraries
that are missing or renamed.
You guys just don't need to spread lies about SQL Server.
Just because you're babies-- and you guys are stuck making $12/hour--
that doesn't mean that I'm going to let you guys continue to con
newbies into your bullshit.
Frontend / Backend is a _SCAM_.
Keep your tables and queries-- in one place-- where they belong.
ON A DATABASE SERVER.
-Aaron
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aaron.kempf
Sorry-- I can't get _FLASH_VIEWER_ to work on half of my machines at
home.
Honestly-- Flash sucks more salty nuts than Access MDB / ACCDB.
-Aaron
home.
Honestly-- Flash sucks more salty nuts than Access MDB / ACCDB.
-Aaron
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Tony Toews [MVP]
David W. Fenton said:Actually New Jersey, and not statewide, just the local school
district. And it was a multi-gigabit network (speeds/bandwidth
comparable to backbone networks of 15 years ago). It was all fiber
between all the schools.
(so, you're actually 0 for 3 on that assertion!
<whine> Well, I was close. </whine>
Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
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aaron.kempf
Flash.. I mean.. what a joke.
Adobe isnt' worth enough -- independent- to win this war.
Sorry
-Aaron
Adobe isnt' worth enough -- independent- to win this war.
Sorry
-Aaron
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Rick Brandt
David said:
No, it's because not all web browsers support doing AJAX stuff the same way
and some of them don't support it at all.
I develop using Eclipse IDE with javascript, HTML, CSS, and XML on the
client and Java on the server. Not a Microsoft product in the whole bunch.
A web app does have to be usable in Microsoft's web browser though or it's
pretty much useless.
We support IE 6 and 7 and Firefox 1.5 and 2. That gives us a pretty high
percentage of coverage, but you still have to deal with presentation issues
not being the same in all browsers or being affected by the user's settings.
We are now doing some serious looking at flex which runs under the flash 9
engine. As long as you have a browser that supports flash everything works
the same and looks the same and the GUI is much more like a thick client app
instead of being limited to the standard HTML widgets. The biggest
advantage I am exploring about it is that data transfer from the server can
be done in a binary format that is much more compact and thus a lot faster
when you need to pull larger amounts of data.
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Rick Brandt
That must be why Microsoft decided to release a competing product.
Flash was long derided by web developer "purists" when it was mostly about
animations and annoying pop-ups, but when people started using the runtime
to host more serious applications the development community really took
notice.
From my viewpoint what is happening is that developers have gotten tired of
waiting for the various web browsers to settle on a platform standard for
proper applications to run in and are now seeing that a plugin that already
runs in most browsers gives them exactly that.
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jlute
You seem to have some pretty strong opinions. Have yo unoticed that
they tend to fly in the face of many others? You seem to suggest that
this is a conspiracy and that everyone here is either a brainwashed
moron OR a resident brainwasher - and that you've got the truth.
I'm exploring the idea of moving to another database platform as I've
pushed Access to certain limits. I'm far from a programmer or database
genius and so I made this post in order to gather some insight. I
appreciate your comments but they seem to be rather extreme. Is there
a war going on here that I don't know about...? I thought that this
was a discussion forum NOT a battle field!
In any case, I've begun exploring your suggestion below regarding
upsizing SQL Server and using ADP but - DUDE - can you holster the
weapons!
they tend to fly in the face of many others? You seem to suggest that
this is a conspiracy and that everyone here is either a brainwashed
moron OR a resident brainwasher - and that you've got the truth.
I'm exploring the idea of moving to another database platform as I've
pushed Access to certain limits. I'm far from a programmer or database
genius and so I made this post in order to gather some insight. I
appreciate your comments but they seem to be rather extreme. Is there
a war going on here that I don't know about...? I thought that this
was a discussion forum NOT a battle field!
In any case, I've begun exploring your suggestion below regarding
upsizing SQL Server and using ADP but - DUDE - can you holster the
weapons!
B
BruceM
lol
Rick Brandt said:
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aaron.kempf
As long as you have a brower.. that supports flash.
That doesn't seem to me like such a foregone conclusion.
Honestly-- flash sucks -- not everyone gets to make their own thick
client.
Does flash run on linux? Does flash run on Mac? Does flash run on
Windows NT?
I see banks that run Windows NT -- ALL THE TIME--.
-Aaron
That doesn't seem to me like such a foregone conclusion.
Honestly-- flash sucks -- not everyone gets to make their own thick
client.
Does flash run on linux? Does flash run on Mac? Does flash run on
Windows NT?
I see banks that run Windows NT -- ALL THE TIME--.
-Aaron
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aaron.kempf
do you know how to spell x64?
Well-- Adobe doesn't.
Anyone developing serious apps with SQL Server needs to be on x64..
for a ton of reasons.
Adobe doesn't support x64 so screw that!!
Macromedia would have been _SO_ much more powerful if they weren't
tied at the hip - to an albatross.
How many times does Adobe Reader _REALLY_ need to check for updates?
How many times does Adobe Reader _REALLY_ need to check for updates?
How many times does Adobe Reader _REALLY_ need to check for updates?
Who gave Adobe MY PERMISSION to install a TSR on _MY_ machine?
Who gave Adobe MY PERMISSION to install a TSR on _MY_ machine?
Who gave Adobe MY PERMISSION to install a TSR on _MY_ machine?
Adobe is malware.
Sorry--
Dreamweaver rocks-- because it builds industry standard.. uh have you
heard of it- 'HTML' on any webserver or client anywhere.
-Aaron
Well-- Adobe doesn't.
Anyone developing serious apps with SQL Server needs to be on x64..
for a ton of reasons.
Adobe doesn't support x64 so screw that!!
Macromedia would have been _SO_ much more powerful if they weren't
tied at the hip - to an albatross.
How many times does Adobe Reader _REALLY_ need to check for updates?
How many times does Adobe Reader _REALLY_ need to check for updates?
How many times does Adobe Reader _REALLY_ need to check for updates?
Who gave Adobe MY PERMISSION to install a TSR on _MY_ machine?
Who gave Adobe MY PERMISSION to install a TSR on _MY_ machine?
Who gave Adobe MY PERMISSION to install a TSR on _MY_ machine?
Adobe is malware.
Sorry--
Dreamweaver rocks-- because it builds industry standard.. uh have you
heard of it- 'HTML' on any webserver or client anywhere.
-Aaron
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aaron.kempf
a war? like on the newsgroups?
no-- those dudes took it into the real world about a year ago
-Aaron
no-- those dudes took it into the real world about a year ago
-Aaron
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aaron.kempf
I was far from a programmer or a genius.
If I had listened to the kids around here I would still be neither
If I had listened to the kids around here I would still be neither
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John W. Vinson
Yes, Aaron is a very vociferous advocate of SQL/ADP as THE sole solution to
all problems; and, if you google for his past posts, you'll find that he has
no use for other options nor for those who support them. Sorry your intro to
the newsgroup ran into this ongoing controversy.
J
jlute
Thanks, John!
Actually, I've been involved with MS Discussion Forum for a few years
and only recently came to Google because of some browser issues I
couldn't resolve however I believe this has been my an intro to Aaron
Kempf.
I appreciate Aaron's enthusiasm and passion just as much as anybody's
however being committed to a single solution for all scenarios is
hardly realistic. Despite that I appreciate his insight as much as
anybody's. This is turning into a very informative thread. I'm
learning a lot and isn't that what this forum is for?
V
vbasean
Do you know what I like about threads like this?
They get people like aaron to use up his usernet allowance real
quick. LOL
They get people like aaron to use up his usernet allowance real
quick. LOL
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vbasean
as for the original post:
Will Access go away?
LOL
-It's the most popular database program in the world
-It's the most economical database on the market
-It has a long history with a strong support community
-Many professional organizations use it every day and depend on it.
I'm sure others could continue this list
Will Access go away?
LOL
-It's the most popular database program in the world
-It's the most economical database on the market
-It has a long history with a strong support community
-Many professional organizations use it every day and depend on it.
I'm sure others could continue this list
A
a a r o n . k e m p f
Yes, Aaron is a very vociferous advocate of MDB/JET as THE sole
solution to
all problems; and, if you google for his past posts, you'll find that
he has
no use for other options nor for those who support them. Sorry your
intro to
the newsgroup ran into this ongoing controversy.
solution to
all problems; and, if you google for his past posts, you'll find that
he has
no use for other options nor for those who support them. Sorry your
intro to
the newsgroup ran into this ongoing controversy.